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Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘****hole’ countries in Oval Office meeting[W:985]***

Re: Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘****hole’ countries in Oval Office meeting

Not curiosity. Curiosity is drawn by the real world. Conspiracies theories are for gullibility, paranoia, weakness in logical thinking, a need for affirmation.

Are you suggesting that JFK's murder is not of the "real world"? 911? MLK and so many others?

Please elaborate on that "real world" you allude to, if you would be so kind.
 
Re: Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘****hole’ countries in Oval Office meeting

How much money did Hillary steal from the Haitian relief funds.

That's the story here.
 
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Thanx, interesting post as I posted after 1971 I left the scene, I read that Trump was really into some new clubs after that time.
My favorite places in Manhatten during my prime were of course Maxwell's Plum, Gleason's Tavern on York & John Barleycorn's on 45th
also on the eastside as I remember. I was glad to get out of the scene when I did great times but enough is enough. Trump was one of
the few maybe the only friend I had in that time period that never drank.

I was in my beginning years at the NYPD, recently back from SE Asia and recovering from injuries in Texas in '72. I picked up additional part time security work at some of the clubs, mostly escorting bank deposits, at 4 in the morning. Most of the bouncers, door men, and additional security were NYPD working second part time jobs. I never had a problem entering clubs I didn't work for because I knew the guys working the doors. Or they already knew of me. I spent time at Adam's Apple, a couple of blocks from Maxwell's, did some work for Rodney's and Suspenders out in the Hamptons. Also some of the Salty Dogs, and of course my favorite Max's Kansas City where I preferred to hang my hat. Occasionally performing on open Mic nights. I knew Gleason's and John Barleycorn, the latter where some good friends practically lived. Outside of Max's KC I kept sober. When the scene blossomed downtown and singles scene on the upper eastside withered, I'd run into Don at some of those clubs. For me, the music was the draw. He didn't fit in. Same at Studio 54, which despite the celebrities who used it for photo ops, it was mostly a drug routine.

Donald was sober because he saw how alcohol was effecting his brother, Fred. I don't recall seeing Fred sober as an adult. I wasn't a friend of Don's, just an acquaintance from the neighborhood in Queens. When I ran into him Manhattan, I was surprised he remembered me. We had played pickup games of baseball as kids, he was one of the better players. And we cruised the same social scenes in the neighborhood, along with a thousand other kids.

As adults, we often, as we both moved toward economic successes on our own paths, we started seeing each other at philanthropic events. We'd nod at each other, occasionally shake hands, a bit of meaningless conversation over a drink, but that was it. We were definitely of different strata, his aiming much higher than my own. As a kid, the girls weren't his forte, as an adult he was surrounded by them at these events. Don was smart compared to most who worked the events for business. And he turned on the charm. It was hard to miss. The rest is history. Tho I wouldn't be surprised after all these years if Don welcomed you into the fold with warmth, he was always loyal to his friends.
 
Re: Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘****hole’ countries in Oval Office meeting

Are you suggesting that JFK's murder is not of the "real world"? 911? MLK and so many others?

Please elaborate on that "real world" you allude to, if you would be so kind.

Of course Kennedy's assassination is of the real world. What is not is the preoccupation with half baked theories about how it happened, ignoring the reams of actual evidence in favor of thinly sourced or even completely imagined alternatives.
 
Re: Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘****hole’ of blaccountries in Oval Office meeting

LOL Try 8% of the black vote because that is what Trump got. You must be dreaming if you think Trump resonated with any of his BS to blacks. They are smarter than that.....smarter than you too.


Behind Trump's victory: Divisions by race, gender and education | Pew Research Center

Speak to Mr. Evers, and the evangelists from South Queens and Brooklyn. Bill made a lot of promises never kept them. Donald made no promises to break.

I'm familiar with Pew's research, and how it's samples were gathered. Surveys rarely, if ever, paint a true story.

Before you come to any conclusions about anyone else's intelligence, look to yourself. You know nothing of me, or where I stand, you live on assumptions, and it couldn't be more obvious. Many minorities are disgusted with empty promises and the pandering of the left. It is often that we find more honesty in our enemies than those who claim friendship. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
 
Re: Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘****hole’ countries in Oval Office meeting

Wrong! Stop showing your prejudice. DEPORT ALL CRIMINALS IN THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY!

Hey hotshot, there are more illegal immigrant Canadians in this country than from any other part of the world. Stop showing your prejudices.

Now show me a native born American who will do yard work and manual labor at spot construction sites for less than $5 an hour. Do you think any of the inner city boys will do stoop labor on the farms? Will you?
 
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Yours sound very boring.


Just stating a fact.

Oh sure some of he meetings were anything but boring, but we didn't use profanity.

In one org as president I was not allowed to vote but was still responsible for the outcomes of those votes. At one point the board came up with real doozy of a new rule for the organization. And guess who caught hell from the members -- even though I had no way to change anything. -- with out any way to contest the vote?
 
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Re: Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘****hole’ of blaccountries in Oval Office meeting

Perhaps Haitians can take solace in knowing that there are rich white democrats in the US who hold the $760 per capita GDP of Haiti in the highest esteem. As an added bonus for the Haitians, the US is very, very careful and critical about the exact words chosen to describe Haiti.

We find ourselves in an odd (and very fake) position. We can't say that Norway is superior to Haiti, because poor performance by blacks isn't merely unacceptable performance - it's considered "black" performance in today's PC society. To criticize would be racist. Therefore, Norway and Haiti, in PC doublethink, are on the same level.

Thankfully, the fake respect towards Haiti demanded of us (merely because its inhabitants happen to be of a certain skin tone) ends at the verbal level. We aren't required to live or vacation in Haiti - we are allowed to go to Norway as we choose. This is because PC was invented by and for white people. It's also perfectly ok for whites to move out of Detroit, as long as they follow the superficial rules of PC.

I'll stay in my low crime white neighborhood far away from black inner cities, and vacation in white Europe (not in Haiti). All I need to do to stay on the correct side of PC is be "aghast" at Trump calling Haiti a sh*thole. It's a pretty good deal.
 
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The European countries that were colonizing the world were the poor countries back then? WOW!



Again you prove my point. All the America's were colonized by European countries who were the super powers of their day. How each country turned out is a direct reflection of the people who lived there. Some were successful and others were losers. Some countries and their people are the envy of the world while other are ****holes. They are reaping what they sowed. Moving them else where is not going to solve the root problem. They have proven they don't have what it takes to get it done.

There is a reason that the areas colonized by the British turned out to be the paradise over the water where all desire to
immigrate to USA, Canada, Australia & New Zealand. While those areas colonized by other imperialistic nations are not so
much of a desirable destination for immigrants
 
Re: Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘****hole’ countries in Oval Office meeting

Yeah, duck and run as expected. Your laziness is your own problem. Illiteracy does that.

No, you posted long winded boring drivel, as usual.
 
Re: Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘****hole’ countries in Oval Office meeting

GDP per capita of Alabama: ~$37,000
GDP per capita of Haiti: ~$700

I know that you wanted to make a cute point, but get real.

You don't judge people based on the social/political or economic situation of the country they are from. Would you want everyone to think that when Obama happened to be president of your country, you must think and be like him too?
 
Re: Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘****hole’ of blaccountries in Oval Office meeting

Perhaps Haitians can take solace in knowing that there are rich white democrats in the US who hold the $760 per capita GDP of Haiti in the highest esteem. As an added bonus for the Haitians, the US is very, very careful and critical about the exact words chosen to describe Haiti.

We find ourselves in an odd (and very fake) position. We can't say that Norway is superior to Haiti, because poor performance by blacks isn't merely unacceptable performance - it's considered "black" performance in today's PC society. To criticize would be racist. Therefore, Norway and Haiti, in PC doublethink, are on the same level.

Thankfully, the fake respect towards Haiti demanded of us (merely because its inhabitants happen to be of a certain skin tone) ends at the verbal level. We aren't required to live or vacation in Haiti - we are allowed to go to Norway as we choose. This is because PC was invented by and for white people. It's also perfectly ok for whites to move out of Detroit, as long as they follow the superficial rules of PC.

I'll stay in my low crime white neighborhood far away from black inner cities, and vacation in white Europe (not in Haiti). All I need to do to stay on the correct side of PC is be "aghast" at Trump calling Haiti a sh*thole. It's a pretty good deal.

The problem is thinking that this is something innate to being white or black or the particular current conditions of the country they happen to be from, and not due to contingent historical and social circumstances.

It wasn't too long ago when Ben Franklin was saying this about other whites:

"Those who come hither are generally of the most ignorant Stupid Sort of their own Nation…and as few of the English understand the German Language, and so cannot address them either from the Press or Pulpit, ’tis almost impossible to remove any prejudices they once entertain…Not being used to Liberty, they know not how to make a modest use of it…I remember when they modestly declined intermeddling in our Elections, but now they come in droves, and carry all before them, except in one or two Counties...In short unless the stream of their importation could be turned from this to other colonies, as you very judiciously propose, they will soon so out number us, that all the advantages we have will not in My Opinion be able to preserve our language, and even our Government will become precarious."
-Benjamin Franklin
 
Re: Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘****hole’ countries in Oval Office meeting

The European countries that were colonizing the world were the poor countries back then? WOW!

Again you prove my point. All the America's were colonized by European countries who were the super powers of their day. How each country turned out is a direct reflection of the people who lived there. Some were successful and others were losers. Some countries and their people are the envy of the world while other are ****holes. They are reaping what they sowed. Moving them else where is not going to solve the root problem. They have proven they don't have what it takes to get it done.

Nope, you failed history apparently.

The "people" on the ships during the period you are referring to were mostly (poor) soldiers and sailors. And the women that followed them. And then tradesmen. Not anybody rich but those escaping poverty and persecution. These were the actual 'boots on the ground' colonizers. The rich ones stayed mostly in the Caribbean and started sugar cane plantations $$$$.

The people I was referring to came later, the 1800's, the Industrial Revolution period. Poor, persecuted.
 
Re: Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘****hole’ countries in Oval Office meeting

Absolutely it is when you are talking overall immigration policy, which they were.

YOu just changed the goal posts.

Nevermind.
 
Re: Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘****hole’ countries in Oval Office meeting

Damaging to what, other than some egos? It is entirely a valid question to ask whether US immigration policy should focus on importing welfare recipients or tradespeople.

Our country...dividing the people.

Dividing his own party.

Making us look like (and IMO we do) we have a dangerous and untrustworthy idiot in charge of our country, with no real foreign relations knowledge or experience, damaging our global relationships.

That is some serious denial if you are aware of this.
 
Re: Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘****hole’ countries in Oval Office meeting

This is exactly the sort of thing that Trump supporters have wanted to hear for a while. We've had enough rumors about DACA legalization and amnesty.

You wanted him to counteract a congressional negotiation about how to humanely treat 800,000 children-immigrants by saying something racist and profane? This is why Trump supporters are just about the worst people in the country.
 
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The problem is thinking that this is something innate to being white or black or the particular current conditions of the country they happen to be from, and not due to contingent historical and social circumstances.

It wasn't too long ago when Ben Franklin was saying this about other whites:

Nobody is making an argument about that. What is being agreed is that "historical" circumstances cuts both ways.
 
Re: Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘****hole’ of blaccountries in Oval Office meeting

The problem is thinking that this is something innate to being white or black or the particular current conditions of the country they happen to be from, and not due to contingent historical and social circumstances.

It wasn't too long ago when Ben Franklin was saying this about other whites:

Social circumstances are what makes a country a country. The social circumstances in the US are of a certain alignment, and that alignment has produced a certain standard of living. Likewise, Haiti's social circumstances have produced their standard of living. The fear of immigration from these poorer countries is compounded by the fact that they are not expected to assimilate. In other words, they are expected to keep to the same social behavior that made their countries poor, and we will give them charity.

If someone came from the Soviet Union in the 70's, we would call their country a sh*thole, and we would expect them to speak English and engage in our capitalist system. Can we say the same of Haitians? If we could, immigration would no longer be the issue that it is.
 
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It is okay for your president to say what he thinks. Being a president doesn't translate as losing free speech.

Of course it doesnt...esp. for showing his true character.

Nobody has made that claim. :roll:
 
Re: Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘****hole’ countries in Oval Office meeting

Okay let's clear the air.

Trump supporters are claiming he was being "honest". Let's be real for a second. Many of us have had it at least pop into our head that these countries with poor infrastructure like dirt roads and lack of sewage systems are "****holes" at some point. It's really undiplomatic for our president to say, but that oversimplification can have a degree of legitimacy.

The problem is the context of how he's calling these countries "****holes": he's doing it to claim that ALL of the people from these countries are **** because they come from a "****hole". That's where the prejudice comes in: he's pre-judging individuals from Haiti purely on the fact that they come from Haiti. That's about as racist as it gets. He's literally saying he'd rather have a hobo from Norway than a doctor from Haiti.

It appears that the context of his comments was a proposal to reserve part of the lottery system to third world countries.
 
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I thought the illegals were coming here to suck on our teets? How can they be driving down restaurant wages? You're not saying they work, obviously. Because they can't work and be useless dreg teet suckers at the same time. Make up your minds.

Apparently they drive down restaurant wages and drive up housing costs. If only I was a racist too. Then I could blame a rainy day and bad traffic on black people.
 
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I assume you now regret making this comment, right?

You're right. People with actual names have come out and said stuff. Problem is...they all say different stuff.

I'm still yawning...
 
Re: Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘****hole’ countries in Oval Office meeting

Apparently they drive down restaurant wages and drive up housing costs. If only I was a racist too. Then I could blame a rainy day and bad traffic on black people.

Say hello to the new White House dress code.

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Re: Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘****hole’ countries in Oval Office meeting

You wanted him to counteract a congressional negotiation about how to humanely treat 800,000 children-immigrants by saying something racist and profane? This is why Trump supporters are just about the worst people in the country.

Profane...yes indeed.
Racist...no.

I think that an argument could be made for allowing a sort of refugee program from Haiti, after how the Clintons and the Haitian government milked the place at the expense of the people there. But let's face it...Haiti, and allot of other 3rd world countries are...sh1tholes.
Durbin's a dick and should never be trusted in any sort of negotiation ever again. He cannot be trusted.
 
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