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Trump asks U.S. judge to force Twitter to restart his account

Master Debator said:
No, it's this topic where you argued a private entity should be forced by law to carry the speech of a political figure.
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What I have said is that at one point or another the realities that are now taking shape about how control of the sphere of transmission of information, and speech, will have to be examined in lieu of Constitutional principles. I make no prescription about what will be decided or how it will be decided. I emphasize the importance of identifiying the importance of the conversation (the culture-wide conversation), and I definitely say that the ramifications of banning a US president are real.

You see? I make wonderful, fair and balanced statements.
 
Alizia Tyler said:
What I have said is that at one point or another the realities that are now taking shape about how control of the sphere of transmission of information, and speech, will have to be examined in lieu of Constitutional principles. I make no prescription about what will be decided or how it will be decided. I emphasize the importance of identifiying the importance of the conversation, and I definitely say that the ramifications of banning a US president are real.

You see? I make wonderful, fair and balanced statements.
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Trump is a private citizen, he is no longer president...
 
Quag said:
have a whole department dedicated to it we could call it the department of TRUTH
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"It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen." 😁
 
Alizia Tyler said:
What I have said is that at one point or another the realities that are now taking shape about how control of the sphere of transmission of information, and speech, will have to be examined in lieu of Constitutional principles. I make no prescription about what will be decided or how it will be decided. I emphasize the importance of identifiying the importance of the conversation, and I definitely say that the ramifications of banning a US president are real.

You see? I make wonderful, fair and balanced statements.
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Nope you didnt

There is no right of even for a sitting president they allowed Trump while he was president but they were not obliged to and should never be a obliged to
 
Alizia Tyler said:
What I have said is that at one point or another the realities that are now taking shape about how control of the sphere of transmission of information, and speech, will have to be examined in lieu of Constitutional principles. I make no prescription about what will be decided or how it will be decided. I emphasize the importance of identifiying the importance of the conversation, and I definitely say that the ramifications of banning a US president are real.

You see? I make wonderful, fair and balanced statements.
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What you've said clearly undermines your earlier claim of understanding constitutional rights but go ahead and see if more talking will dig you out of that hole. 😂
 
Alizia Tyler said:
Yes, my time and energy has limits. I suggest you-plural do some of that lifting.

I do have opinions, of course, and they always require long, involved explanations.

Your level of interest, and your level of comprehension of current affairs, is of such a low and superficial sort that you cannot even register the reasons these things should be better thought-through.

But that’s you in a nutshell, isn’t that right?
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This is always a right wing retreat.

I can’t defend what I say because it is too complex and nuanced for someone who doesn’t get their thinking from Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon or Q to understand.

It’s a very obvious cop out.

Especially when it comes from someone who apparantly has a lot invested in the superficial, anonymous vitriolic content of right wing social media safe spaces.
 
BlueTex said:
Trump is a private citizen, he is no longer president...
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You are of course being deliberately obtuse. No former president has, as far as I am aware, been banned from his audience in any way comparable to the banning of Donald Trump. The implications here extend also to many other private citizens. And the political atmosphere is a dangerous one where the specter of censorship has appeared, boldly, on the national horizon.

Again, I propose these ramifications will become evident -- more and more.
Quag said:
There is no right of even for a sitting president they allowed Trump while he was president but they were not obliged to and should never be a obliged to
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Your thinking might be as murky as your sentence-structure! Can you rephrase this?
 
Alizia Tyler said:
The sentiment of ‘revenge’ is very evident in the attitude and speech of those who reveled in Trump’s political loss.

Even if Trump loses (if he runs) I think that a great deal of vengeful sentiment will remain. The nation is extremely divided.

The agreements that underpinned the nation unravel. Fracture is the term I use.
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Yes, that was one of Trump’s core strategies. Foment division and promote chaos.

It was also the stated goal of the Internet Research Agency, the Russian FSB troll farm which has been injeciting itself into right wing thinking since 2013. In 2016, they went all in on promoting their chosen agent of chaos, Donald Trump.

Trump did, and still does his utmost to promote us vs them narratives, including ordering the weak minds of trump world to divide themselves from the rest of society by retreating to social media safe spaces, where only the gospel according to trump and the people who make money off of him speak the received word.
 
yankintx said:
Trumps former press secretary said something that stood out. If Trump wins in 2024 it will all be about revenge. That is scary, and true. Trump has already proven he is petty and spiteful.
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Trump's run in 2016 was about revenge too. He was still smarting from that correspondents dinner where Obama made fun of Trump for Trump endangering Obama's family with that other Big Lie -- the one about Obama being born in Kenya and therefore not the legitimate president. Obsession with Obama's accomplishments and popularity easily in the top three main drivers of Trump's agenda as president.

This time the revenge would be on steroids.
 
Alizia Tyler said:
You are of course being deliberately obtuse. No former president has, as far as I am aware, been banned from his audience in any way comparable to the banning of Donald Trump. The implications here extend also to many other private citizens. And the political atmosphere is a dangerous one where the specter of censorship has appeared, boldly, on the national horizon.

Again, I propose these ramifications will become evident -- more and more.

Your thinking might be as murky as your sentence-structure! Can you rephrase this?
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Plenty of people have been banned before Trump and plenty will be banned after Trump... It's one of the benefits of the first amendment... Property owners have NEVER been required to cede their property to assholes...
 
Alizia Tyler said:
Your thinking might be as murky as your sentence-structure! Can you rephrase this?
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Twitter (or any private company is not obliged to provide a platform to anyone even a sitting president and should never be obliged to do so
 
TomFitz said:
Foment division and promote chaos.
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In fairness, everyone does this. What I focus on is that I believe that you-plural are engaged tremendously in fomenting division and also chaos. I think it has been said, and fairly, that you tend to blame others for what you yourselves do.

This has almost become a meme, hasn't it?

Will *you-plural* ever become self-conscious? That is the grand question I always ask myself . . .
 
BlueTex said:
Plenty of people have been banned before Trump and plenty will be banned after Trump... It's one of the benefits of the first amendment... Property owners have NEVER been required to cede their property to assholes...
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Yes yes yea yes and YES! -- you have made the same point 200 times. I do get it.
 
Amelia said:
Trump's run in 2016 was about revenge too. He was still smarting from that correspondents dinner where Obama made fun of Trump for Trump endangering Obama's family with that other Big Lie -- the one about Obama being born in Kenya and therefore not the legitimate president. Obsession with Obama's accomplishments and popularity easily in the top three main drivers of Trump's agenda as president.

This time the revenge would be on steroids.
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Although Trump loves revenge his run in 2106 was like his run in 2012 a publicity stunt it just got out of hand
 
Gentlemen! Ladies (?)

I must away . . .

My baby is crying . . .

Be back later.

Keep up your banter. And keep.repeating.the.same.tired.points.over.and.over.again!

A hammer is a useful tool! You'll flatten all opposition! 🙃
 
Alizia Tyler said:
Gentlemen! Ladies (?)

I must away . . .

My baby is crying . . .

Be back later.

Keep up your banter. And keep.repeating.the.same.tired.points.over.and.over.again!

A hammer is a useful tool! You'll flatten all opposition! 🙃
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Thats your job
 
BlueTex said:
It sounds like you want to do away with property rights. Pretty strong position to take to support a con man. What is it about Trump that makes you take such a radical position?
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Trump's supporters had to change their tune on many subjects in order to continue to follow their leader down his rabbit hole. Large social media platforms ban Trump and suddenly rightwingers hate capitalism and property rights.

But he spent years grooming them to be willing and able to make ideological about-faces almost instantaneously.

It was amusing -- heartbreaking but amusing -- to watch how quickly Trump's spokespeople and his followers around the nation were able to go from claiming Trump would never do some objectionable thing to watching him do that objectionable thing to coming up with reasons for why the objectionable thing was exactly right to do.

Also amusing was how Trump would lash out at his spokespeople for not quickly enough getting back out onto the news talk programs to do the heavy lifting of trying to put a positive spin on the impulsive things which Trump would do. Hours or sometimes minutes before, the spokespeople would have been telling sympathetic Fox interviewers that rumors about Trump doing this were all inventions of liberals' feverish imagination. Then it might take them an hour or three to try to figure out how to praise him for doing what they just assured the world he wouldn't do. And Trump would get pissed off at them for taking so long. 🙄
 
Alizia Tyler said:
You are of course being deliberately obtuse. No former president has, as far as I am aware, been banned from his audience in any way comparable to the banning of Donald Trump. The implications here extend also to many other private citizens. And the political atmosphere is a dangerous one where the specter of censorship has appeared, boldly, on the national horizon.

Again, I propose these ramifications will become evident -- more and more.

Your thinking might be as murky as your sentence-structure! Can you rephrase this?
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First of all, no former president ever betrayed his country or his oath of office the way trump did. He is disgraced, and he knows it.

Which is why he is not particularly welcome in the former President’s presence, nor is he missed when he doesn’t even bother to respond to invitations.

And since FB is a privately owned platform, with no legal obligation to accept and host content of any sort, your argument collapses.

Not only that, but since the deposed clown prince is still holding rallies, talking to various people in his swamp, and bellowing out loud, he has not been silenced.

He just no long has his one megaphone, and fewer and fewer pay attention to him.

And for a man who craves celebrity and psycophantic praise the way Donald Trump does, this is the ultimate penance.
 
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