Trump administration reverses course and adopts part of Biden vaccine distribution plan

[Noodlegawd]

The Trump administration plans to release reserved second doses immediately, a senior administration official tells CNN. The official expects reserved doses to be distributed over the next two weeks.
The move comes after Trump administration officials recently disparaged Biden's plan to do the same.

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The new plan would also change guidelines to allow vaccinations immediately for anyone anyone 65 and older and would help states set up mass vaccination sites should they request assistance. The administration wants to shift focus away from hospitals and focus more on adding more accessible venues, such as pharmacies, the source said.

I still think this is a bad idea, but I'm starting to wonder.

How many people who have received their first vaccine dose have actually gotten infected after that? I heard of one case, but it HAS to be more than that. Even if you look at the first one or two million folks who have received their first shot, we should expect to see thousands of them having gotten infected by now.

 

[snakestretcher]

I still think this is a bad idea, but I'm starting to wonder.

How many people who have received their first vaccine dose have actually gotten infected after that? I heard of one case, but it HAS to be more than that. Even if you look at the first one or two million folks who have received their first shot, we should expect to see thousands of them having gotten infected by now.

There's no guarantee that your vaccination will help if you already have the virus. It's supposed to act as a guard against future infection, not as a remedy for existing infection.

Should You Get The Covid-19 Vaccine If You Have Already Had Coronavirus?

Here are the differences between natural immunity and Covid-19 vaccination.

www.forbes.com

 

[Noodlegawd]

There's no guarantee that your vaccination will help if you already have the virus. It's supposed to act as a guard against future infection, not as a remedy for existing infection.

Should You Get The Covid-19 Vaccine If You Have Already Had Coronavirus?

Here are the differences between natural immunity and Covid-19 vaccination.

www.forbes.com

How many people who have received their first vaccine dose have actually gotten infected after that?

Note the key words in my comment.

But let's talk about that. How many of the first 1 million people to get INFECTED in the US (we hit 1 million confirmed cases almost 9 months ago) have gotten infected a second time? All other things being equal, if a prior confirmed infection was only 70% effective in the sense of a "vaccine," we should be seeing several of them dying every day.

 

[Mycroft]

I still think this is a bad idea, but I'm starting to wonder.

How many people who have received their first vaccine dose have actually gotten infected after that? I heard of one case, but it HAS to be more than that. Even if you look at the first one or two million folks who have received their first shot, we should expect to see thousands of them having gotten infected by now.

" The new plan would also change guidelines to allow vaccinations immediately for anyone anyone 65 and older "

LOL!! As if that makes any difference.

A "guideline" is nothing more than a guideline. It has no force behind it. In other words, any state that wanted to could already give their allotted vaccines to anyone "65 and older".

Nothing changes at the state level with this news except that states will get more doses. Shit...they can't even dispense the doses they already have.

Big deal.

 

[Noodlegawd]

" The new plan would also change guidelines to allow vaccinations immediately for anyone anyone 65 and older "

LOL!! As if that makes any difference.

A "guideline" is nothing more than a guideline. It has no force behind it. In other words, any state that wanted to could already give their allotted vaccines to anyone "65 and older".

Nothing changes at the state level with this news except that states will get more doses. Shit...they can't even dispense the doses they already have.

Big deal.

They would have access to more doses immediately, potentially allowing them to change the way they administer them. For example, instead of only giving them to hospitals in sufficient quantity to vaccinate staff, they could give them (and other clinics/pharmacies) doses in sufficient quantities to start vaccinating the general public (over a certain age).

 

[Mycroft]

They would have access to more doses immediately, potentially allowing them to change the way they administer them.

Maybe they should make the change now...while they already have millions of doses they aren't giving to anyone.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Maybe they should make the change now...while they already have millions of doses they aren't giving to anyone.

States are claiming they don't have enough personnel to do the injections (which I think is a horseshit excuse).

 

[AZCardsfan]

I still think this is a bad idea, but I'm starting to wonder.

How many people who have received their first vaccine dose have actually gotten infected after that? I heard of one case, but it HAS to be more than that. Even if you look at the first one or two million folks who have received their first shot, we should expect to see thousands of them having gotten infected by now.

I think it's a bad idea. I've read is that's states are having a hard time getting the vaccinations that they have on hand into people's arms. Sitting on millions of more doses is not going to help in that regard.

My wife is a nurse at a nursing home. She had a resident die of covid this past Friday. The resident was vaccinated (Dec, 29th) but exposed a day later (Dec 30th). No symptoms and tested negative until the morning of Friday, Jan 8th. Died that night.
So far the facility has had 13 deaths from January 1st - January 8th. My wife is set to receive her second dose on Monday the 18th.

 

[Mycroft]

States are claiming they don't have enough personnel to do the injections (which I think is a horseshit excuse).

Right.

So the obvious solution is to flood them with even more doses that they don't have enough personnel to administer.

But hey...that's what Biden wanted to do.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Right.

So the obvious solution is to flood them with even more doses that they don't have enough personnel to administer.

But hey...that's what Biden wanted to do.

You're missing the point. Aside from whether it's a good idea from a scientific point of view (which I don't think we know, and why I'm still against it), there's a case to be made that opening it up to more people and sources would make the rollout go faster, because there are probably ton's of qualified medical personnel who COULD be giving out doses, but aren't doing it because they don't have any to give out.

 

[noonereal]

This roll out has been a complete disaster.

This will add to the insanity.

My guess, this is why Trump did it.

 

[noonereal]

there are probably ton's of qualified medical personnel who COULD be giving out doses, but aren't doing it because they don't have any to give out.

The two big problems so far is a vaccine shortage and organization.

 

[Mycroft]

You're missing the point. Aside from whether it's a good idea from a scientific point of view (which I don't think we know, and why I'm still against it), there's a case to be made that opening it up to more people and sources would make the rollout go faster, because there are probably ton's of qualified medical personnel who COULD be giving out doses, but aren't doing it because they don't have any to give out.

The point I'm making is that the Trump administration...no matter what they put in their guidelines...no matter if they release more doses...has absolutely no effect on whether anyone gets their vaccine or not.

It's all up to the states. It's always been up to the states. And the states, collectively, have millions of doses they HAVEN'T given out.

 

[Lutherf]

States are claiming they don't have enough personnel to do the injections (which I think is a horseshit excuse).

That's absurd.

We have a heroin epidemic in this country and heroin addicts know how to give injections . The logical thing to do would be to hire junkies to give people shots. It solves the unemployment problem, gets the vaccines out and instead of paying the junkies with cash, we could pay them with drugs.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

" The new plan would also change guidelines to allow vaccinations immediately for anyone anyone 65 and older "

LOL!! As if that makes any difference.

A "guideline" is nothing more than a guideline. It has no force behind it. In other words, any state that wanted to could already give their allotted vaccines to anyone "65 and older".

Nothing changes at the state level with this news except that states will get more doses. Shit...they can't even dispense the doses they already have.

Big deal.

Actually, comparatively, the US is not doing badly with regards to vaccinations.

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[TU Curmudgeon]

States are claiming they don't have enough personnel to do the injections (which I think is a horseshit excuse).

I tend to agree with that one.

When I first took NBCW (as it was then) training, the total length of time taken to "train" soldiers" how to give an IM injection was less than 2 hours (which included actually giving an IM injection).

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

You're missing the point. Aside from whether it's a good idea from a scientific point of view (which I don't think we know, and why I'm still against it), there's a case to be made that opening it up to more people and sources would make the rollout go faster, because there are probably ton's of qualified medical personnel who COULD be giving out doses, but aren't doing it because they don't have any to give out.

Well, that an the fact that they don't have malpractice insurance to deal with the inevitable class action lawsuits arising from (A) the deaths of people who WERE vaccinated, and (B) the deaths of people who WERE NOT vaccinated.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

That's absurd.

We have a heroin epidemic in this country and heroin addicts know how to give injections . The logical thing to do would be to hire junkies to give people shots. It solves the unemployment problem, gets the vaccines out and instead of paying the junkies with cash, we could pay them with drugs.

That is a very snarky suggestion - that just might work PROVIDED that they were also given an "agreement not to prosecute" that was both proactive and retroactive..

 

[Lutherf]

That is a very snarky suggestion - that just might work PROVIDED that they were also given an "agreement not to prosecute" that was both proactive and retroactive..

With this response I no longer have any idea whether I should be proud of myself for my snark or whether I should cry for the sake of humanity.

 

[Noodlegawd]

I tend to agree with that one.

When I first took NBCW (as it was then) training, the total length of time taken to "train" soldiers" how to give an IM injection was less than 2 hours (which included actually giving an IM injection).

That's a good point, but I wasn't even talking about training new people. I was talking about using people who are already qualified. Given the huge numbers of them, they shouldn't be that difficult to mobilize with the proper incentives and organization.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

That's a good point, but I wasn't even talking about training new people. I was talking about using people who are already qualified. Given the huge numbers of them, they shouldn't be that difficult to mobilize with the proper incentives and organization.

All you have to do is find some way to protect them against the malpractice lawsuits.

I knew one doctor who had been traveling through California when he came across a MVA. One of the injured parties had suffered quite severe facial injuries and was in danger of suffocating. The man's wife pleaded with the doctor to save her husband's life and, after several bouts of "But I don't have the proper equipment."/"Please save my husband. Do whatever you have to do.", the doctor performed an emergency tracheotomy and did save the man's life. Several months later, the doctor was served papers naming him as the defendant on the grounds that he had practiced medicine without a license (he was not licensed to practice medicine in California) and that his failure to follow proper and approved procedures in performing the tracheotomy had "caused pain, suffering, mutilation, and scarring".

It cost the doctor's insurer a bundle to get the case dismissed.

That was more than 30 years ago and the US "Malpractice Litigation Business" has gotten even stupider since then.

 

[Court Jester]

If anyone was really thinking correctly, the vaccines would be prioritized to food service workers and any citizens willing go out to eat at those restaurants.

You may think I am being facetious with that comment. But having read where in some places 1/3 of healthcare workers and first responders are refusing to take the vaccine, then better to make the vaccine available to those who would take it gladly and begin to achieve herd immunity that way.

I can think of no more motivated demographic who would support the vaccination than America's small businesses which are dying on the vine currently.

 

[MSgt]

Right.

So the obvious solution is to flood them with even more doses that they don't have enough personnel to administer.

But hey...that's what Biden wanted to do.

For once, you have actually written a post that speaks more to truth and less to your partisan fetish.

It is a bad idea. Biden is wrong. The problem is not supply. The problem is that instead of creating a distribution plan throughout the country, we played games about face masks, to hoax or not to hoax, and election fraud stupidity. Flooding more vaccines into the mess will convolute the issues. A good distribution plan needs to get resolved first.

 

[MSgt]

That's a good point, but I wasn't even talking about training new people. I was talking about using people who are already qualified. Given the huge numbers of them, they shouldn't be that difficult to mobilize with the proper incentives and organization.

No, it should not be this difficult. This is ridiculous and embarrassing.

But what else should we expect when we spend all year listening to the White House and the GOP tell 74 million people that it's just a Democrat hoax? I mean, why bother with distribution plans for a hoax? Focusing effort on such a thing would contradict the Party line. And if anything we've learned during Trump's reality show in D.C., when it comes to the GOP, Party comes first.

 

[Helix]

i'm glad that he finally has an adult to look up to for guidance.