Trump administration 'looking at' suspending habeas corpus, Stephen Miller says (2 Viewers)

[Hamish Howl]

I don't GET bad information, but apparently you're mainlining it from some source. I don't hate America or the Constitution; I spend 22 years defending it from socio-comm-e crap you and your cohorts spew.

Yeah, except for your hatred and disdain for due process, habeas corpus, and anything else that gets in your fat greasy Jesus's way.

 

[CLAX1911]

75% of them have no criminal history but were deported to El Salvador without being provided with:

They were illegal aliens that's all you need to deport them.

Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

 

[Pyrite]

They were illegal aliens that's all you need to deport them.

Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

Post #527


To rendition them, without according them anything resembling due process, to an indefinite, perhaps permanent stay in a hellhole prison in a country that is NOT their "home".

THIS is what you're saying trump has the right to do to every person who is here "illegally". They don't have to have been convicted of any crimes. They don't even have to be "gang members".

Btw, if trump gets away with doing this to undocumented migrants, there's nothing to stop him from doing the same thing to those who are here legally.

 

[Xilnik]

They were illegal aliens that's all you need to deport them.

Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

Because you're wrong.

✔ Notice of Removal – The government must provide formal notice that a person is being placed in removal proceedings.
✔ Right to a Hearing – Individuals have the right to appear before an immigration judge to contest their deportation.
✔ Opportunity to Present Evidence – They can submit evidence, call witnesses, and argue their case before the court.
✔ Right to Legal Representation – While the government does not provide free attorneys, individuals can hire legal counsel to represent them.
✔ Appeal Process – If deportation is ordered, individuals can appeal the decision to the Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA) and, in some cases, federal courts.
✔ Protection for Vulnerable Groups – Certain individuals, such as asylum seekers, must be given a chance to apply for protection before deportation.
✔ Habeas Corpus Rights – The Supreme Court recently ruled that detainees must be given notice and an opportunity to challenge their removal before deportation occurs.

 

[CLAX1911]

You need to read about Abrego Garcia's life. He is not a gang member. He is a gang victim.

This two things aren't mutually exclusive

In Garcia's second immigration hearing in October 2019 the immigration judge made the determination that he should not be deported to El Salvador.

So?

This is what the judge wrote in his opinion:

Judges don't outrank the president.

The Respondent is a 24-year-old native of El Salvador (My note: the respondent is Abrego Garcia). He was born in 1995 in the Los Nogales neighborhood of San Salvador. The Respondent testified that he fears returning to his country because the Barrio 18 gang targeted him and threatened to kill him due to his family's pupusa business. His mother, Cecilia, ran the business out of their home, and although there was no formal storefront, everyone in town knew about "Pupuseria Cecilia." The Respondent’s father, brother, and two sisters all helped run the family business. The Respondent’s role was to buy supplies from the grocery store and, along with his brother, make deliveries four days a week.

At some point, Barrio 18 realized the family was earning money and began extorting Cecilia. They first demanded monthly payments, then weekly payments. They threatened harm to the Respondent, his older brother Cesar, and the rest of the family if they didn't comply. They also told Cecilia that if she couldn't pay, she could hand over Cesar to join their gang. The family paid what they could and hid Cesar from the gang. On one occasion, gang members came to the family home and threatened to kill Cesar if the family didn’t pay. After that, Cesar was sent to the United States for his safety.

Note: Cesar is Abrego Garcia's older brother.

After Cesar left, the gang started recruiting the Respondent (My note: the respondent is Abrego Garcia), telling Cecilia she could avoid future extortion payments if she let him join. She refused. The gang then threatened to kill the Respondent. When the Respondent was around 12 years old, gang members again came to the home, threatening to take him because the family wasn’t making payments. The Respondent’s father managed to prevent this by paying them all the money they demanded. The gang continued to watch the Respondent as he traveled to and from school, and the gang members were visibly armed and heavily tattooed.

Eventually, the family moved to the 10th of October neighborhood, about a 10-minute drive away. However, members of Barrio 18 tracked them down and notified their fellow gang members there. They visited the new house, again demanding rent payments, and twice threatened to rape and kill the Respondent's two sisters and harm the Respondent. Out of fear, the parents kept the Respondent inside the home as much as possible. Ultimately, the family closed the pupusa business and moved again, this time to Los Andes, about 15 minutes away. Even there, they kept the Respondent indoors most of the time because of the ongoing threats. After four months of living in fear, the Respondent’s parents sent him to the United States.

Even though the Respondent’s father was a former policeman, the family never reported the extortion to the authorities. Gang members had directly threatened Cecilia, warning her that if she went to the police, they would kill the entire family. The family believed them, knowing firsthand the rampant police corruption in El Salvador and fearing that reporting it would do no good.

Today, even though the family shut down their business and fled, Barrio 18 continues to harass and threaten the Respondent’s two sisters, his parents, and a brother-in-law who now lives with them in Guatemala.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69777799/1/1/abrego-garcia-v-noem/

 

[Bullseye]

Yeah, except for your hatred and disdain for due process, habeas corpus, and anything else that gets in your fat greasy Jesus's way.

Totally wrong. Totally stupid.

 

[Pyrite]

This two things aren't mutually exclusive

So?

Judges don't outrank the president.

Post #530


Doesn't matter whether judges "outrank" the President or the person on the street.

All of us are subject to following the Constitution and the rule of law, which means we're are subject to rulings and decisions made by judges.

 

[CLAX1911]

Post #527


To rendition them, without according them anything resembling due process, to an indefinite, perhaps permanent stay in a hellhole prison in a country that is NOT their "home".

THIS is what you're saying trump has the right to do to every person who is here "illegally". They don't have to have been convicted of any crimes. They don't even have to be "gang members".

Deport them? It is not just his right it's his duty.

Btw, if trump gets away with doing this to undocumented migrants, there's nothing to stop him from doing the same thing to those who are here legally.

It's legal to deport aliens who are legally here.

Deporting illegal aliens is the duty of the government. That's why ICE exists.

 

[Lees]

Only if they won. They didn't. So they were a pack of miserable rebellious traitors.

Here's some history: You lost.

No, it was not a rebellion. It was a secession. A peaceful legitimate secession.

Oh...that's deep there.

Lees

 

[CLAX1911]

Post #530


Doesn't matter whether judges "outrank" the President or the person on the street.

Yes it does. Trump's order as executive supercedes judges.

All of us are subject to following the Constitution and the rule of law, which means we're are subject to rulings and decisions made by judges.

So you believe all judges outrank the executive. That's asinine.

 

[Pyrite]

Deport them? It is not just his right it's his duty.

It's legal to deport aliens who are legally here.

Deporting illegal aliens is the duty of the government. That's why ICE exists.

I did not say "deport".

I said RENDITION. Pretending I've said something I have not said is dishonest.

Here, once again, is what I said in Post #528:

To rendition them, without according them anything resembling due process, to an indefinite, perhaps permanent stay in a hellhole prison in a country that is NOT their "home".

THIS is what you're saying trump has the right to do to every person who is here "illegally". They don't have to have been convicted of any crimes. They don't even have to be "gang members".

Btw, if trump gets away with doing this to undocumented migrants, there's nothing to stop him from doing the same thing to those who are here legally.

 

[CLAX1911]

I did not say "deport".

I said RENDITION. Pretending I've said something I have not said is dishonest.

Here, once again, is what I said in Post #528:

To rendition them, without according them anything resembling due process, to an indefinite, perhaps permanent stay in a hellhole prison in a country that is NOT their "home".

THIS is what you're saying trump has the right to do to every person who is here "illegally". They don't have to have been convicted of any crimes. They don't even have to be "gang members".

Btw, if trump gets away with doing this to undocumented migrants, there's nothing to stop him from doing the same thing to those who are here legally.

Yes all illegal aliens can be deported. I'd say they should be.

 

[Xilnik]

Yes all illegal aliens can be deported. I'd say they should be.

You are so dishonest!

You're conflating deportation with rendition. Deportation requires due process, hearings, and legal review. Rendition bypasses all of that, effectively treating people as though they have no legal rights. You still have not answered the bigger question @Pyrite posed: If Trump establishes the precedent of mass rendition for undocumented immigrants, what stops him from doing the same to legal residents and citizens under future justifications?

 

[Pyrite]

Yes all illegal aliens can be deported. I'd say they should be.

Post #537

But trump has RENDITIONED them.

Pretending trump deported them to their home countries is dishonest.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

This two things aren't mutually exclusive

So?

Judges don't outrank the president.

What do you mean, so.

He's a gang victim, not a gang member. That's important.

 

[CLAX1911]

What do you mean, so.

A question, some judge made an order in the past means Donald Trump is forbidden from doing his constitutional duty?

He's a gang victim, not a gang member.

Those two things are not mutually exclusive

That's important.

And gibberish.

 

[CLAX1911]

You are so dishonest!

I'm not the one offering a list of illegal aliens when asked for a list of citizens. I googled the names you were dishonest.

You're conflating deportation with rendition. Deportation requires due process, hearings, and legal review.

HEARINGS TO DETERMINE WHAT?

Rendition bypasses all of that, effectively treating people as though they have no legal rights. You still have not answered the bigger question @Pyrite posed: If Trump establishes the precedent of mass rendition for undocumented immigrants, what stops him from doing the same to legal residents and citizens under future justifications?

IT IS HIS DUTY TO DEPORT THEM.

 

[Xilnik]

Yes it does. Trump's order as executive supercedes judges.

So you believe all judges outrank the executive. That's asinine.

6th grade Civics says otherwise.

No, judges don’t 'outrank' the executive branch in a military-style hierarchy. The judiciary exists to review the constitutionality of executive orders and overturn them when they violate the law. If Trump issues an unlawful order, courts have the authority to block it; that’s literally how checks and balances work. The executive enforces laws, but the judiciary interprets them. Ignoring court rulings would be ignoring the Constitution itself.

 

[Xilnik]

I'm not the one offering a list of illegal aliens when asked for a list of citizens. I googled the names you were dishonest.




HEARINGS TO DETERMINE WHAT?

IT IS HIS DUTY TO DEPORT THEM.

It's legal to deport aliens who are legally here.

You originally asked me to show when illegal aliens were deported without due process and to prove that President Trump had violated the constitution. I did not catch that you were saying legal immigrants in your later post since you had originally understood I was speaking of deportations of illegal aliens without due process. Based on the above where you used the wrong word, as you often do, would it have mattered? You are known for being unclear and for changing your mind about what you're asking on a whim. It's incredibly dishonest the way you hold up your side of the discussion.

You also continue to disregard the process in deportation, so I will keep responding with it:

✔ Notice of Removal – The government must provide formal notice that a person is being placed in removal proceedings.
✔ Right to a Hearing – Individuals have the right to appear before an immigration judge to contest their deportation.
✔ Opportunity to Present Evidence – They can submit evidence, call witnesses, and argue their case before the court.
✔ Right to Legal Representation – While the government does not provide free attorneys, individuals can hire legal counsel to represent them.
✔ Appeal Process – If deportation is ordered, individuals can appeal the decision to the Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA) and, in some cases, federal courts.
✔ Protection for Vulnerable Groups – Certain individuals, such as asylum seekers, must be given a chance to apply for protection before deportation.
✔ Habeas Corpus Rights – The Supreme Court recently ruled that detainees must be given notice and an opportunity to challenge their removal before deportation occurs.

So it's your claim that these things aren't happening.

Category I heard the first one notice of removal Donald Trump and Tom Holman said it clearly so show that the others aren't happening.

You are accusing Donald Trump of disobeying these rules the burden of proof is on you

That was the list I gave you. You dishonestly changed to only wanting "legal" immigrants, but this was your original request.

 

[Hamish Howl]

No, it was not a rebellion. It was a secession. A peaceful legitimate secession.

Peacefully firing on Fort Sumpter.

 

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

" that there was Russian Collusion, or that Masks stops Covid, or the Vaccine will
stop you from spreading Covid?"

All of those are true statements. You could stand to benefit from an English remedial course as well.

You need help !
All these lies have been proven to lies, and you still live in a world where they are real ?.....

 

[uptower]

Correct, not a single far-left socialist state has ever upheld the right to habeas corpus.

Nor do right wing dictatorships. Do you have a point or are you trying to deflect?

 

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

The news media is saying this because a lot of them get funding through usaid and also indirect government funding and Elon Musk used to be the head of Doge and essentially he was looking at how much money is wasted on shit ass media very few people watch.

So they have to make him into a Nazi because he's spoiling their scam.

Totally understood, but I'm more focused on making sure all the SHEEP stop getting gaslighted and manipulated by the 24/7 Propaganda...
They are becoming a Threat to America, because they are supporting Treasonous Fascist , but are under the illusion that they are trying to be the good guys!

 

[W_Heisenberg]

A question, some judge made an order in the past means Donald Trump is forbidden from doing his constitutional duty?

What the judge is saying in his order reveals to the rest of us that Abrego-Garcia is not a gang member, but a gang victim.

And, yes, it's important a judge is saying it because a judge has credibility.

 

[CLAX1911]

You originally asked me to show when illegal aliens were deported without due process and to prove that President Trump had violated the constitution.

There's no part of the Constitution that says illegal aliens have the right to be here. And imaginary due process you invent doesn't exist

I did not catch that you were saying legal immigrants in your later post

Well the first word I used was citizens so you skipped entire sentences. Do you make it a habit of emotionally responding without reading?

Donald Trump's duty is to deport illegal aliens that was his primary campaign promise.

The brain dead drivel I deleted I already responded to. Repeating it won't make my response any different.