Trump administration bars Harvard from enrolling foreign students

[Fletch]

Bingo!

Break Harvard, and the rest will cower to Trump's every capricious whim.

You mean like not allow anti-Semitic rallies in support of a terrorist organization? Yeah, no college should be supporting that sort of crap.

 

[Bonnot]

SCOTUS said Trump had to facilitate the release of Abrego Garcia, and Trump stiffed them.

I have little faith Trump will oblige SCOTUS (or any other court he don't agree with).

He’s argued he doesn’t have to and has the right as president to ignore orders he disagrees with.

 

[MTAtech]

Trump administration bars Harvard from enrolling foreign students

The Trump administration has revoked Harvard University’s ability to enroll international students in its escalating battle with the Ivy League school.

apnews.com

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump administration revoked Harvard University’s ability to enroll international students in its escalating battle with the Ivy League school, saying thousands of current students must transfer to other schools or leave the country.

The Department of Homeland Security announced the action Thursday, saying Harvard has created an unsafe campus environment by allowing “anti-American, pro-terrorist agitators” to assault Jewish students on campus. Without offering evidence, it also accused Harvard of coordinating with the Chinese communist party.

“This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students and existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status,” the agency said in a statement.

Dictator on day one, and every day thereafter.

The action is arbitrary and capricious, which is legally prohibited.

Can Harvard do a run around by offering remote learning while this matter works its way through the courts? Maybe. I’m sure there are other ways to evade Trump’s boner for Harvard.

 

[Fletch]

Right. They slapped down the order within hours. That’s what I said.

That doesn't mean that Trump wont ultimately prevail or that he is somehow violating the Constitution.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Criminal convictions are already public record. The government has no right to academic suspensions.

They do as a condition of the SEVP MANDATORY reporting requirements.

 

[Athanasius68]

Foreigners have a right to speech & religion & right to a trial, while in US jurisdiction and granted legal status via visas.

Should a US President be able to deport foreign Christian students because they are Chtistian? How about Obama deporting a Conservative student for protesting against Obamacare?

The issue isn't protesting-- its actions.

 

[multivita-man]

Bingo!

Break Harvard, and the rest will cower to Trump's every capricious whim.

The ability the US has to import brainpower is one of the most valuable advantages we have. **** that up, and we are going to start falling behind China in crucial science disciplines - and with shocking speed. You can't run the world if you've got nothing but a pool of Dunning-Krugers to work with.

 

[Fletch]

The action is arbitrary and capricious, which is legally prohibited.

Can Harvard do a run around by offering remote learning while this matter works its way through the courts? Maybe. I’m sure there are other ways to evade Trump’s boner for Harvard.

Remote learning wont work for the anti-Semites that plague higher education. Cant harass and threaten Jews online quite the way you can in a mob.

 

[Athanasius68]

Are all schools required to respond to all requests made by the Trump administration?

Sounds kind of authoritarian.

Which specific requests can an administration make that a school must respond to, or risk losing its certification? Should an administration be required to validate its claims first?

Harvard doesn't have to participate in this program if it chooses not to.

But it chooses to do so.
So there are requirements.

 

[Fletch]

The ability the US has to import brainpower is one of the most valuable advantages we have. **** that up, and we are going to start falling behind China in crucial science disciplines - and with shocking speed. You can't run the world if you've got nothing but a pool of Dunning-Krugers to work with.

We can do without the ant-Semitic 'brainpower' of Hamas supporters.

 

[MTAtech]

You mean like not allow anti-Semitic rallies in support of a terrorist organization? Yeah, no college should be supporting that sort of crap.

First, it has not been established that terrorists organizations were rallying. Second, Individuals, have the 1st Amendment right to protest.

 

[George50]

Doesn't Harvard get public funds from the govt? If so wouldn't that require Harvard to teach and adhere to the laws and Constitution of the US?

Yes and yes, but it doesn’t mean that they are required to teach and adhere to the whims of a lawless president.

 

[Athanasius68]

First, it has not been established that terrorists organizations were rallying. Second, Individuals, have the 1st Amendment right to protest.

Mr. Rubio's logic is that they would not be admitted into the country if they had all this anti-semitic baggage.
So why can't they be expelled for the same reason?

 

[multivita-man]

We can do without the ant-Semitic 'brainpower' of Hamas supporters.

I agree, but the number of people who were truly causing problems was likely exaggerated, and schools and local law enforcement did ultimately deal with the problem.

 

[MTAtech]

Remote learning wont work for the anti-Semites that plague higher education. Cant harass and threaten Jews online quite the way you can in a mob.

Your baseless presumption is that these students are paying the hefty Harvard tuition in order to harass Jews. Yes, your argument is as stupid as it sounds.

We all know that the Trump Administration is doing this as retribution because Harvard wouldn’t bow down to Trump. However, you may pretend otherwise.

 

[rahl]

That doesn't mean that Trump wont ultimately prevail or that he is somehow violating the Constitution.

He’s not going to prevail. The constitution is quite clear. It’s why he keeps having his ass handed to him in court.

 

[Chomsky]

Instructors are likely unaffected, as they will be present under a status that doesn't require SEVIS authorization, such as H-1B or O-1. Researchers are more likely to be affected, but that depends on how their program is structured. THey may be here on H-1Bs, or a J-1 exchange visa; the J-1 status would be affected.

Now that I've found it's SEVIS being revoked, I generally agree with your post.

Though undergrad instructors at many mid & lower level universities are often grad students themselves, so they could be SEVIS I suppose. I had one such instructor during undergrad at my mid-level university. No idea if Harvard has this scenario, though.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[rahl]

They do as a condition of the SEVP MANDATORY reporting requirements.

The information DHS asked for isn’t mandatory.

 

[Athanasius68]

I agree, but the number of people who were truly causing problems was likely exaggerated, and schools and local law enforcement did ultimately deal with the problem.

Ok-- so those who were causing problems...
OUT.
What's the problem?

 

[rahl]

You mean like not allow anti-Semitic rallies in support of a terrorist organization?

1st amendment protects their right to do so.

Yeah, no college should be supporting that sort of crap.

You don’t get a day. Neither does the government. That’s the beauty of the constitution.

 

[Athanasius68]

Your baseless presumption is that these students are paying the hefty Harvard tuition in order to harass Jews. Yes, your argument is as stupid as it sounds.

We all know that the Trump Administration is doing this as retribution because Harvard wouldn’t bow down to Trump. However, you may pretend otherwise.

Mr. Trump is trying to protect the civil rights of Jews on the campus of Harvard.

What's the problem here?

 

[rahl]

The issue isn't protesting-- its actions.

Actions are also protected by the constitution. It’s why the court immediately slapped this bullshit down. And it’s why Trump keeps having his ass handed to him in court.

 

[rahl]

Mr. Rubio's logic is that they would not be admitted into the country if they had all this anti-semitic baggage.
So why can't they be expelled for the same reason?

The constitution.

 

[Fletch]

Your baseless presumption is that these students are paying the hefty Harvard tuition in order to harass Jews. Yes, your argument is as stupid as it sounds.

We all know that the Trump Administration is doing this as retribution because Harvard wouldn’t bow down to Trump. However, you may pretend otherwise.

So you are saying that Jewish students werent being harassed on liberal campuses by Jew hating Hamas supporters?? And I bet you thought that the Joe Biden of 2024 was the best Biden ever too, right?

 

[MTAtech]

Mr. Rubio's logic is that they would not be admitted into the country if they had all this anti-semitic baggage.
So why can't they be expelled for the same reason?

They’re not expelling anyone. They are barring visas to foreign students admitted to Harvard and not other universities.