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Trump administration bars Harvard from enrolling foreign students

It's about time we get tough and serious with these liberal racists being protected by far-left colleges. If these were white students chanting, "Death to blacks!" at a Southern college the media would be screaming "RACISM!" from the highest peaks. But apparently in this country racism against Jews is perfectly fine and encouraged.
 
Trump has essentially taken control of 27% of Harvard's current student body, and probably a like or large amount of her instructors, researchers, and administration.
Instructors are likely unaffected, as they will be present under a status that doesn't require SEVIS authorization, such as H-1B or O-1. Researchers are more likely to be affected, but that depends on how their program is structured. THey may be here on H-1Bs, or a J-1 exchange visa; the J-1 status would be affected.
 
They can still study at Harvard. DHS can’t revoke their certification over this.
I think you are still confusing student visas with the Harvard’s certification under Student and Exchange Visitor Program (SEVP). And it is a legal requirement that the university has certification in order for foreign students to attend. Harvard has just lost their certification

Where is this mysterious court case that you said overturned the revocation of Harvard’s certification? Can you not back up your assertion?

The certification can’t be revoked because trumps feelings are hurt. Or DHS not getting information they want without a warrant. It’s why their order order was immediately overturned in court.
 
It's about time we get tough and serious with these liberal racists being protected by far-left colleges. If these were white students chanting, "Death to blacks!" at a Southern college the media would be screaming "RACISM!" from the highest peaks. But apparently in this country racism against Jews is perfectly fine and encouraged.
The media can say whatever they want. They have a first amendment right to do so. Same way students on college campuses do. The government can do exactly nothing about it, which is why Trump keeps having his ass handed to him in court. And any patriotic American who values the constitution, and freedom, should loudly denounce the governments attempt at unconstitutional actions.
 
I think you are still confusing student visas with the Harvard’s certification under Student and Exchange Visitor Program (SEVP). And it is a legal requirement that the university has certification in order for foreign students to attend. Harvard has just lost their certification

Where is this mysterious court case that you said overturned the revocation of Harvard’s certification? Can you not back up your assertion?
The certification can’t be revoked over this. Those students can still study at Harvard. The government can’t revoke the status because trumps feelings are hurt. Sorry.
 
Yes, this is going forward.
And backsies.

Do you have a cite showing these actions affect students already enrolled?
Sure do:
Current Active nonimmigrant students have the following options to complete by their SEVIS record termination date:
  • Seek transfer to another SEVP-certified institution.
  • Change their status.
  • Depart the United States.

Whatever the law says, revoking a privilege legally obtained because of allegations against an institution years later would seem to violate some principle.
You might think that, but it doesn't. SEVIS certification is required to host international students, like it or lump it. If it's within the administration's power to withdraw the certification in this instance, it will affect all current international students, regardless of their enrollment date.

The courts will decide whether this is legal.
That was pretty much the gist when I speculated that this was something Trump could do this if Harvard's declination to provide the requested information was sufficient to revoke SEVIS.

Are all schools required to respond to all requests made by the Trump administration?
It's a sliding scale, I imagine. Requests for information about international students from a school certified to accept international students when that information may make some of those international students removable is plausibly reasonable. A request for information on what Johnny Smith, US citizen, had for lunch at the dining hall yesterday is less so.
 
So weak.

You and I dont agree on much but I used to think you had some integrity.
I don't know what to tell you. I don't know Trump's motivations on "why Harvard." Which is why I suggested the questioner seek the answer elsewhere. You prefer I make it up?

I don't get your position on this
Considering that I've made no judgmental statements either way and simply opined on how this will affect the international student cohort at Harvard, what is it you think my position is?
 
The certification can’t be revoked over this. Those students can still study at Harvard. The government can’t revoke the status because trumps feelings are hurt. Sorry.
The certification wasn’t removed because President Trump’s feelings were hurt.

On April 16, 2025, Secretary Noem demanded Harvard provide information about the criminality and misconduct of foreign students on its campus. Secretary Noem warned refusal to comply with this lawful order would result in SEVP termination.

This action comes after DHS terminated $2.7 million in DHS grants for Harvard last month.

Harvard University brazenly refused to provide the required information requested and ignored a follow up request from the Department’s Office of General Council. Secretary Noem is following through on her promise to protect students and prohibit terrorist sympathizers from receiving benefits from the U.S. government.

FAFO for Harvard.

Per the DHS website:
SEVP-certified schools must go through a Congressionally mandated recertification process every two years. During this process, SEVP reviews a school’s record keeping to verify that it continues to be a bona fide school and remains compliant with SEVP regulatory standards.

SEVP is not a right, it is a privilege. Harvard ****ed their students.
 
It's harder to rule the unwilling than fascists think.

The problem is, so many are either willing or don't give a shit one way or the other because it doesn't immediately impact them. We wouldn't be in this situation if this weren't true because voters would never have allowed it come anywhere close to this point were that the case.

But it is the case.
 
More info on SEVP.


Mandatory reporting requirements

Schools and programs approved to host students and scholars on these visas are required to report certain information. Information that must be reported includes:

  • Change of legal name
  • Change of U.S. address
  • Change of major field of study
  • Change of education degree level
  • Change of funding
  • Authorization for off-campus employment
In addition, they must report events that constitute a violation of the international visitor's visa status, such as academic suspension, criminal conviction, failure to enroll and unauthorized off-campus employment.

DHS requested an update on the events of the last two years from Harvard. Harvard refused. Harvard violated the terms of SEVP certification. Harvard ****ed their own foreign students. FAFO
 
The certification wasn’t removed because President Trump’s feelings were hurt.

On April 16, 2025, Secretary Noem demanded Harvard provide information about the criminality and misconduct of foreign students on its campus. Secretary Noem warned refusal to comply with this lawful order would result in SEVP termination.

This action comes after DHS terminated $2.7 million in DHS grants for Harvard last month.

Harvard University brazenly refused to provide the required information requested and ignored a follow up request from the Department’s Office of General Council. Secretary Noem is following through on her promise to protect students and prohibit terrorist sympathizers from receiving benefits from the U.S. government.

FAFO for Harvard.

Per the DHS website:
SEVP-certified schools must go through a Congressionally mandated recertification process every two years. During this process, SEVP reviews a school’s record keeping to verify that it continues to be a bona fide school and remains compliant with SEVP regulatory standards.

SEVP is not a right, it is a privilege. Harvard ****ed their students.

You don't really believe that bullshit that you just typed. You just see it as more MAGA winning.
 
It's about time we get tough and serious with these liberal racists being protected by far-left colleges. If these were white students chanting, "Death to blacks!" at a Southern college the media would be screaming "RACISM!" from the highest peaks. But apparently in this country racism against Jews is perfectly fine and encouraged.
Generic.
 
The certification wasn’t removed because President Trump’s feelings were hurt.

On April 16, 2025, Secretary Noem demanded Harvard provide information about the criminality and misconduct of foreign students on its campus. Secretary Noem warned refusal to comply with this lawful order would result in SEVP termination.

This action comes after DHS terminated $2.7 million in DHS grants for Harvard last month.

Harvard University brazenly refused to provide the required information requested and ignored a follow up request from the Department’s Office of General Council. Secretary Noem is following through on her promise to protect students and prohibit terrorist sympathizers from receiving benefits from the U.S. government.

FAFO for Harvard.

Per the DHS website:
SEVP-certified schools must go through a Congressionally mandated recertification process every two years. During this process, SEVP reviews a school’s record keeping to verify that it continues to be a bona fide school and remains compliant with SEVP regulatory standards.

SEVP is not a right, it is a privilege. Harvard ****ed their students.
The certification can’t be revoked because of this. The 14th amendment protects both privileges and rights. Without due process, Harvard can’t have their status revoked. If DHS wants the information they are requesting, they need a warrant. Without one’s Harvard can tell them to **** off and the government can do exactly nothing about it.
 
And backsies.


Sure do:



You might think that, but it doesn't. SEVIS certification is required to host international students, like it or lump it. If it's within the administration's power to withdraw the certification in this instance, it will affect all current international students, regardless of their enrollment date.


That was pretty much the gist when I speculated that this was something Trump could do this if Harvard's declination to provide the requested information was sufficient to revoke SEVIS.


It's a sliding scale, I imagine. Requests for information about international students from a school certified to accept international students when that information may make some of those international students removable is plausibly reasonable. A request for information on what Johnny Smith, US citizen, had for lunch at the dining hall yesterday is less so.

The Trump administration has to follow the law, namely due process.
 
The certification can’t be revoked because of this. The 14th amendment protects both privileges and rights. Without due process, Harvard can’t have their status revoked. If DHS wants the information they are requesting, they need a warrant. Without one’s Harvard can tell them to **** off and the government can do exactly nothing about it.
Read up about the SEVP program. The participating schools are required to provide the mandatory reports to DHS. Harvard failed to do that.

There is no such things as due process for SEVP. It is a program that the universities have to voluntarily enroll in and fulfill the requirements.
 
Trump just pissed off a lot of very wealthy Harvard attorneys. This WILL go to court.
 
The Trump administration has to follow the law, namely due process.
This is like having your driver’s license revoked because you failed to provide proof of insurance.

Harvard failed to meet the requirements for SEVP. FAFO.
 
Taking a torch to what is arguably the most prestigious university our country has and ruining its global reputation as a place where the world's best and brightest study is one of the dumbest things a president can do, and one of the dumbest things his legions of mindless lemmings can cheer on. I don't expect them to understand why, though.
 
This is like having your driver’s license revoked because you failed to provide proof of insurance.

Harvard failed to meet the requirements for SEVP. FAFO.

It depends on what they were asked to show and what the law compels them to show. Showing attendance records on a regular basis is required to prove that students are complying with their visa requirements. DHS is certainly within their jurisdiction to review those kinds of records regularly and they can demand unannounced checks and audits if they reason to suspect fraud or willful non-compliance. Going beyond that scope, which is, I think, what Harvard contends the DHS under Noem is trying to do is not something the administration can do on a whim.
 
Read up about the SEVP program. The participating schools are required to provide the mandatory reports to DHS. Harvard failed to do that.
No they didn’t. The reports DHS were requesting weren’t required. Some require warrants.
There is no such things as due process for SEVP.
Of course there is.
It is a program that the universities have to voluntarily enroll in and fulfill the requirements.
And can’t be revoked arbitrarily.
 
It depends on what they were asked to show and what the law compels them to show. Showing attendance records on a regular basis is required to prove that students are complying with their visa requirements. DHS is certainly within their jurisdiction to review those kinds of records regularly and they can demand unannounced checks and audits if they reason to suspect fraud or willful non-compliance. Going beyond that scope, which is, I think, what Harvard contends the DHS under Noem is trying to do is not something the administration can do on a whim.
Secretary Noem demanded Harvard provide information about the criminality and misconduct of foreign students on its campus.

Mandatory reporting requirements for SEVP

Schools and programs approved to host students and scholars on these visas are required to report certain information. Information that must be reported includes:

  • Change of legal name
  • Change of U.S. address
  • Change of major field of study
  • Change of education degree level
  • Change of funding
  • Authorization for off-campus employment
In addition, they must report events that constitute a violation of the international visitor's visa status, such as academic suspension, criminal conviction, failure to enroll and unauthorized off-campus employment.

Looks to me that DHS was asking for data that was part of the mandatory reporting requirements.
 
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