Trump’s former chief of staff says he fits ‘fascist’ definition and prefers ‘dictator approach’

[SuperDS77]

Then say that. If you don't think the high levels of unemployment were Trump's fault then argue that point to defend his record. Don't just pretend the unemployment numbers didn't happen or that he had "the strongest economy in history" like Trump has lied about. Remember that I was arguing against the assertion that everyone was better off 4 years ago. They weren't. To say they were was a lie.

What if the number was changed to 5 years ago?

Start with the truth and argue from there rather than just ignoring reality. By the way it is just as easy to argue that he had nothing to do with the good numbers, early in his term, as it is to argue that his bad numbers weren't his fault. Again, just don't pretend and deny that things got pretty bad while he was in office like Trump has done for years now.

We can acknowledge also that things got pretty bad under this administration (9.1% inflation in mid 2022).

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[Cardinal]

What if the number was changed to 5 years ago?

We can acknowledge also that things got pretty bad under this administration (9.1% inflation in mid 2022).

We don't include the 9.1% in the last four years. We're just using September 2024 rates, which was 2.4%.

So the Biden/Harris inflation rate is 2.4%.

 

[ClaraD]

That’s the only play the left has. Smear Trump with disgruntled insiders that he disagreed with.
They want to draw attention away from the Biden/Harris record. The question they hate the most is: “Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?”
So it’s back to the old “ nazi/ Hitler stuff. “

smear Trump? These are people that worked for Trump....the ones he claimed were the best people.

 

[Cork]

We don't include the 9.1% in the last four years. We're just using September 2024 rates, which was 2.4%.

So the Biden/Harris inflation rate is 2.4%.

If people are going on the entirety of both administration I still stand by what I said. If your life isn't improving year after year that's a you problem. I'm not saying that for everyone cause shit happens but for the majority of the population your life should be better than it was half a decade ago.

The government can only do so much to improve your life everything else is in your hands.

 

[Mike1950]

What if the number was changed to 5 years ago?

We can acknowledge also that things got pretty bad under this administration (9.1% inflation in mid 2022).

That is just it. Trump and MAGA don't acknowledge the bad things that happened during his presidency. They simply pretend they never happened. Biden has never pretended that the inflation rate during his term never happened. They and Economists in general talked about the causes and whether they were the result of his policies but the didn't deny it's existence.
Also as for your question about 5 years ago Trump as President for 4 years, not 2 and not 3 but 4. If you want to claim that part of your presidencies numbers weren't your fault it's a lot easier to disown the first year, like Reagan did, but not the fourth year. Also his mishandling of the pandemic makes him responsible for the economic numbers and a lot worse. A lot of people died needlessly because of him.

 

[SuperDS77]

That is just it. Trump and MAGA don't acknowledge the bad things that happened during his presidency. They simply pretend they never happened. Biden has never pretended that the inflation rate during his term never happened.

Stopped after this whopper. Biden has said NUMEROUS times that inflation was at %9 when he took office.

They and Economists in general talked about the causes and whether they were the result of his policies but the didn't deny it's existence.

I remember when the economists predicted doom and gloom when Trump was elected in 2016.

Also as for your question about 5 years ago Trump as President for 4 years, not 2 and not 3 but 4. If you want to claim that part of your presidencies numbers weren't your fault it's a lot easier to disown the first year, like Reagan did, but not the fourth year. Also his mishandling of the pandemic makes him responsible for the economic numbers and a lot worse. A lot of people died needlessly because of him.

 

[SuperDS77]

We don't include the 9.1% in the last four years. We're just using September 2024 rates, which was 2.4%.

So the Biden/Harris inflation rate is 2.4%.

Shocked!

 

[ClaraD]

Shocked!

Inflation happened in the first six months in office, thus they would be attributed to the former administration, not the present....the reason? Because we would still be under the policies of the former.

 

[Cardinal]

Shocked!

So the last four years have featured sky rocket economic figures and 2.4% inflation. Any other critiques?

 

[Mike1950]

Stopped after this whopper. Biden has said NUMEROUS times that inflation was at %9 when he took office.

I remember when the economists predicted doom and gloom when Trump was elected in 2016.

I'm not sure what %9 means but I assume it refers to my saying Biden has never pretended that the inflation rate during his term never happened. Please provide quotes or reference to support any of the things you said. Should be an easy search since you claim he said it numerous times. Also just giving us quotes from MAGA or Fox saying he said it doesn't count. Video is always nice.

 

[Mike1950]

So the last four years have featured sky rocket economic figures and 2.4% inflation. Any other critiques?

He didn't seem to understand that your post was mocking his.

 

[eman623]

So the October surprises are that Kamala may not have worked at a McDonalds in 1982 and Trump is a fascist according to a NeverTrumper. Breaking news! I only heard that one 472,258 times before.

Unfortunately for Kelly I already voted. Thanks Dems for al the early voting and mass mailing ballots you put in place!

 

[rhinefire]

You have just explained the "democrat" party of today. Take a simple stroll around the forum....it's 90% or higher fascist/authoritarian OP's started with your definition in mind to a T. Except they are not republicans or supporters of Trump....they're all from liberal progressive democrats.

They have used propaganda so bad on these people it's almost sad.....raised up the "Orange Man Bad" and "MAGA" insurrectionists, made dart boards out of them and they are programmed to hate, destroy, dehumanize freely until it has become part of their paradigm.

It's a huge authoritarian mob ready to explode on a whim, easily manipulated, who are willing participants at all costs. They actually believe they stand and are saving democracy. The implications are staggering.

Really?

 

[rhinefire]

Has there ever been a candidate that had more former political associates say he is a liar and a threat to our constitution than Trump? Why is that Trumpers?

 

[Mike1950]

Has there ever been a candidate that had more former political associates say he is a liar and a threat to our constitution than Trump? Why is that Trumpers?

Especially when they are the best hirer ever? And have the best words?
The only ones that didn't turn on him were the ones he got out of prison.

 

[MTAtech]

You have just explained the "democrat" party of today. Take a simple stroll around the forum....it's 90% or higher fascist/authoritarian OP's started with your definition in mind to a T. Except they are not republicans or supporters of Trump....they're all from liberal progressive democrats.

They have used propaganda so bad on these people it's almost sad.....raised up the "Orange Man Bad" and "MAGA" insurrectionists, made dart boards out of them and they are programmed to hate, destroy, dehumanize freely until it has become part of their paradigm.

It's a huge authoritarian mob ready to explode on a whim, easily manipulated, who are willing participants at all costs. They actually believe they stand and are saving democracy. The implications are staggering.

Seen this before— accusing the opposition of what Trump is guilty.

Democrats support elections and abide by their results. Trump has never committed to accepting the results unless he wins. Every Democratic presidential candidate conceded after losing. Trump never did.

Democrats didn’t send mobs to the Capitol to disrupt certification of Biden’s election. Trump did. Democrats never vowed to use governmental power against opponents and journalists that disagree with him. Trump did. Democrats never called the media “the enemy of the people.” Trump did. Democrats never called elected officials and a public that disagrees with him “the enemy within.” Trump did.

Trump is an authoritarian who admires other authoritarians, like Orban, Putin and Kim Jong Un. Many officials who worked for Trump call him a fascist. Gen. Milley said he’s “a fascist to the core.”

Yeah, try to flip it as Democrats are the real fascists.

 

[ClaraD]

So the October surprises are that Kamala may not have worked at a McDonalds in 1982 and Trump is a fascist according to a NeverTrumper. Breaking news! I only heard that one 472,258 times before.

Unfortunately for Kelly I already voted. Thanks Dems for al the early voting and mass mailing ballots you put in place!

She didn't work there in 1982....she worked there 41 years ago, in 1983 for a period of 3 months while she was attending Howard.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Proved my point exactly....."it's up to us to save democracy against Orange Man Bad". Maybe if the democrats could have better candidates they wouldn't have to resort to this type of politics. Hate and dehumanize the opposition is literally ALL they do.

Do you suppose calling liberals "Vermin" and "The enemy from within" is dehumanizing? All we're doing is responding in kind. This shit started with Trump the moment he walked down that escalator.

 

[ClaraD]

What if the number was changed to 5 years ago?

We can acknowledge also that things got pretty bad under this administration (9.1% inflation in mid 2022).

yes, Covid, supply chain issues and a trade war with China lent to that...and who started those? Oh, Trump did.

 

[upsideguy]

That’s the only play the left has. Smear Trump with disgruntled insiders that he disagreed with.
They want to draw attention away from the Biden/Harris record. The question they hate the most is: “Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?”
So it’s back to the old “ nazi/ Hitler stuff. “

First, if you don't understand Trump's fitness for office as the ultimate issue of the 2024 election, you don't understand this election. Typically a felon is unqualified to be a fryer cook at McDonald's, you would think that was also a deal breaker for President.... then throw in his resume of felony convictions, felony indictments (including crimes against America and the Constitution of America, which he had sworn to uphold), two impeachments, presiding over the first non-peaceful transfer of power in American history, eroding the faith in core American institutions including the sanctity of elections and the autonomy of the justice system, then Trump's words of affection for the world's autocrats coupled with Project 2025, a road map to autocracy... not to mention that he is an adjudicated fraudster, sex offender and insurrectionist and its pretty easy to see why Trump's fitness for office is a major issue. He is demonstrably unfit to serve in the office he seeks.

All Kelly did today was affirm what was written from various journalists that have interviewed him. He is saying nothing different than he has said in the past and is consistent with what has been said by other Trump insiders that know him best.

Former Trump officials are among the most vocal opponents of returning him to the White House

As Trump seeks the presidency a third time, he's being shadowed by a chorus of people who served in his administration who have become sharp critics, some offering dire predictions about his return to power.

www.pbs.org

Now, the intelligent thing to do when people that actually know this guy sound the alarm.... but this is a cult. The cult leader is always correct and everyone else is wrong. A very large percent of America is hoodwinked by this fraudster, but fortunately not all are in the cult, which is why it is a valid issue.

When Trump was inaugurated unemployment rate was 4.1. In three years in 2019 it was 3.6, the lowest rate since 1968. The "exploding unemployment rate" you disingenuously site, was the direct result of the pandemic in 2020.

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=6de837a47e20baddJmltdHM9MTcyOTY0MTYwMCZpZ3VpZD0wZTA0N2IxMC0yYmNmLTZjMDUtMzBmNy03NmUzMmExZjZkMGUmaW5zaWQ9NTMxMQ&ptn=3&ver=2&hsh=3&fclid=0e047b10-2bcf-6c05-30f7-76e32a1f6d0e&psq=unemployment+rate+from+jan+2017+to+jan+2020&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW52ZXN0b3BlZGlhLmNvbS9oaXN0b3JpY2FsLXVzLXVuZW1wbG95bWVudC1yYXRlLWJ5LXllYXItNzQ5NTQ5NA&ntb=1

even if true, its moot.... as per above, he is unfit for the office

You have just explained the "democrat" party of today. Take a simple stroll around the forum....it's 90% or higher fascist/authoritarian OP's started with your definition in mind to a T. Except they are not republicans or supporters of Trump....they're all from liberal progressive democrats.

They have used propaganda so bad on these people it's almost sad.....raised up the "Orange Man Bad" and "MAGA" insurrectionists, made dart boards out of them and they are programmed to hate, destroy, dehumanize freely until it has become part of their paradigm.

It's a huge authoritarian mob ready to explode on a whim, easily manipulated, who are willing participants at all costs. They actually believe they stand and are saving democracy. The implications are staggering.

Wake up and smell the coffee. Trump is objectively a very bad dude....unprecedented in American history.. there is no whataboutism to be had here. But, if you want to develop your argument, I would like to see it. Direct us to some posts that fit the definition you describe.

Well put. The radicals have learned their "rules" well.

"Which is better - to be ruled by one tyrant three thousand miles away or by three thousand tyrants one mile away?"

Mather Byles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

No one is being "ruled" by three thousand tyrants. To date, we have free and fair elections, especially at the local level where there is no electoral college to hinder the vote of the people. Again, if you have point, let's either develop it or sit down and be quiet. Unsubstantiated quips do nothing for your point.

 

[The AntiDonald]

So the October surprises are that Kamala may not have worked at a McDonalds in 1982 and Trump is a fascist according to a NeverTrumper. Breaking news! I only heard that one 472,258 times before.

Unfortunately for Kelly I already voted. Thanks Dems for al the early voting and mass mailing ballots you put in place!

John Kelly is hardly a 'Never Trumper'. He never endorsed anyone. He worked for Trump as long as he could stand to. He was the Homeland Security secretary after being a 4-star general. The man has more cred than every Trump sycophant alive combined. He's a conservative and he has my respect.

 

[upsideguy]

Proved my point exactly....."it's up to us to save democracy against Orange Man Bad". Maybe if the democrats could have better candidates they wouldn't have to resort to this type of politics. Hate and dehumanize the opposition is literally ALL they do.

I posted this on another thread, but it might fit even better here. What General Kelly has warned us about is indeed more than plausible...

I don't think you quite understand just how close Trump was to having the election set aside in 2020. If Pence did what Trump wanted, or had the crowd stolen the ballot box, it could have well been thrown into congress for a vote, and they could have voted him in. I don't see how the military is relevant here. The coup attempt, like many coup attempts, was merely to pervert the law to his end. The military would not be involved in such things. It would be a constitutional crisis.

But if you do not see the obvious erosion of American democratic institutions by Trump, you are blind to what is happening in this country. He has half the population believing that our elections lack integrity (including a third of the people that think he actually won), despite evidence to the contrary and has believing the justice system is a political arm. Those two things alone provide a permission structure for a lot of things. Apparently you are not familiar with Project 2025, which is a detailed plan to replace most of the management of government with people loyal to him, not to America, including in the DoD and in the military (easy to do, just push out the "disloyal" brass) Perhaps you should study up on how Viktor Orban, a consultant to the Heritage foundation on Project 2025 became a dictator in Hungray. It is how Trump intends to do so here. Few have stood up to him; no one else seem to have the guts (I am talking about you Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham -- you know better). Cowards!

Trump has pretty much told you that he intends to use the government to chase political foes. He tried (and to some extent) succeeded the last time, blocked only by "institutional, patriotic Americans" that actually put country ahead of Trump. They will not be in his next administration (see also Project 2025). He also has pledged to shut down the press that is unfavorable to him. With Project 2025 implemented and the very odd SCOTUS opinion of July providing immunity, this will not be a problem, it will barely be an inconvenience. What Trump has been taking about for much of the election is not democracy; but autocracy (have you been paying attention?) He has not denied that conclusion. He has no coherent of policy anything other than tariffs (which is incoherent) and mass deporations. Substantially all of his platform is about going after people he does not like (brown people, Democrats and NATO). How un-American!

Then there is the matter of half of the people that have worked with Trump that tell us that he wants to be a dictator, has no respect for the constitution, and therefore should be no where near the office. These are people that know him best that issue the warning, but his cult-following doesn't want to hear the warnings, they like Trump for irrational reasons and have rationalize that he doesn't mean what he says and could never be a dictator. I remind of General Kelly's comments:



These cultists, unfortunately, are being allowed to vote.... but they are voting irrationally and without any consideration for what is right for American.

How Dictators Come To Power In A Democracy

Dictatorships are often unexpected, driven by policy error.

www.forbes.com

The Supreme Court’s Trump immunity decision is a blueprint for dictatorship

The United States is in terrible danger.

www.vox.com

If all goes to plan this man will make Donald Trump one of the most powerful presidents of all time

Trump's march to re-take the White House continues with renewed determination. If he wins he'll have an "army" of 10,000 recruits at his disposal to help implement his controversial agenda.

www.abc.net.au

What Trump said about if he will be a dictator if reelected

During a recent town hall, Fox News’ Sean Hannity gave former President Donald Trump the chance to rebut the idea — floa

www.politifact.com

What a Trump Dictatorship Might Look Like

What if the United States was ruled by a strongman? It's a fair question these days.

www.newsweek.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2024/trump-cabinet-endorsements/

American Autocracy Threat Tracker

A comprehensive catalog of the autocratic threat to democracy based on former President Donald Trump and his associates’ autocratic plans and promises.

www.justsecurity.org

OK, so there is the evidence. Counter that, if you can, with something more substantial than "your feelings" that it can not or will not happen. As a voter, you owe us more than "your feelings" in rendering your vote. You owe us a vote for what is right for America. Do you actually have an answer to this?

 

[upsideguy]

So the October surprises are that Kamala may not have worked at a McDonalds in 1982 and Trump is a fascist according to a NeverTrumper. Breaking news! I only heard that one 472,258 times before.

Unfortunately for Kelly I already voted. Thanks Dems for al the early voting and mass mailing ballots you put in place!

No one is expecting to sway the votes of cult members as they have long since rationalized away all of Trump criminal, moral, ethical and unAmerican short-comings. Odd that people would vote for a guy that is all things that God detests, but that is the nature of a cult.

That said, thanks for voting. We do appreciate your participation.

 

[beefheart]

It’s weird how you can ignore Trumps own words and actions and turn him into the victim. The man has really turned his base into a cult.

That is what cults do to their members...