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Trump’s border czar says he’s sending National Guard to fight LA anti-ICE protests as clashes continue into second day

Jagged said:
And again, there's no evidence Pelosi told him to say that. Look, I get you really, really want to pin this on Pelosi, but you're gonna have to do better than that.
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There's his word. But I guess the Seargent at arms is a liar?

Again - absolutely should have been dug into. The fact that the house 'committee' didn't speaks volumes.
 
soap box said:
First, who knew in advance that they would break into inside the Capitol?
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Break into? No one. The lack of physical security on that building was quite shocking.

There was absolutely warnings about the size of the crowd and potential for violence with tensions being so high. Those looking to security on that day recognized the concern. The Capitol Chief of Police recognized the danger - which is why he kept asking.

soap box said:
Second, there was no testimony because there's no sense in blaming them for what trump did.
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The massive security failure at the Capitol had zero to do with Trump. The reasons for that failure should have been at the top of the agenda for the house 'committee'. 1) Why was our physical security so poor that protestors can get in, and 2) Why wasn't the police chief provided with the resources he asked for.
 
soap box said:
You haven't read it.

They explain the court cases in six awing states, not the entire country. They verified facts and numbers. They write about:

1. Claims that Dominion Voting Machines Were Manipulated
2. Claims that Ballots Were Not Properly Counted.
3. Claims that Unsolicited Mail-In Ballots Were Sent to Voters.
4. Claims that Voter-Eligibility Requirements Were Not Enforced.
5. Claims that Ballot Drop Boxes Were Not Fairly Located Throughout the State.
6. Claims that Poll Officials Failed to Carefully Monitor the Election Count.

and that's just Arizona.

They have the fact and explanations and you could too.
Please read even just a small portion and tell me why they're wrong.
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Did you verify all 150 million ballots?
 
dcsports said:
There's his word. But I guess the Seargent at arms is a liar?

Again - absolutely should have been dug into. The fact that the house 'committee' didn't speaks volumes.
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Quote him saying Pelosi told him to say that.
 
Jagged said:
I read it. And there's no mention of Trump offering the Capitol Police Board National Guard assistance. Trump, however, was the leader. That makes it his responsibility to ensure there was proper security. He failed. Miserably.
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You have to wonder why it was McConnell and Pelosi making the calls to get the NG in and not the president.
;)
 
dcsports said:
Break into? No one. The lack of physical security on that building was quite shocking.

There was absolutely warnings about the size of the crowd and potential for violence with tensions being so high. Those looking to security on that day recognized the concern. The Capitol Chief of Police recognized the danger - which is why he kept asking.
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If your answer is "no one" knew in advance, then I agree.
That shows that the expectation of an invasion of the Capitol wasn't something they anticipated. That means they didn't expect it. That means they believed the day would have been boring since the protesters would have stayed outside the security perimeter. They assumed maga would obey the police.

dcsports said:
The massive security failure at the Capitol had zero to do with Trump. The reasons for that failure should have been at the top of the agenda for the house 'committee'. 1) Why was our physical security so poor that protestors can get in, and 2) Why wasn't the police chief provided with the resources he asked for.
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That's not what I'm talking about. The rioters would not have been there unless they believed Trump's lies about fraud. Pelosi didn't lie about election fraud. Trump did. Pelosi didn't call for a rally, trump did.

J6 21 could not possibly have happened without trump. That's why it's impossible to blame anyone else. That means that there was no reason for the select committee to examine Capitol security when it would have been a routine event if trump had not lied about election fraud and called for a rally. Nobody can blame Pelosi for what trump did.
 
Buster Keaton said:
You don't know until you verify all of the ballots
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They were all verified before Biden was sworn in. That's in the report!

No official is going to send results to their state without verification. What exactly do you think "verify the ballots" means? You didn't read anything but you're posting anyway.

Find a single claim in the report and tell me why it's untrue.

Tell me a single county or state that didn't verify the ballots.
 
Tangmo said:
Your posts are those of a 21st century American conservative.

21st century American conservatives reject everything America was in the 20th century. They have in fact become what we fought against, namely authoritarianism (left and right).
You guys have rejected the LBJ decades long shift of immigration away from white racist European trash to south of the border. This shift by the Democratic congress was generated because of the fierce and unyielding resistance of white conservatives of European ancestry to the Civil Rights Movement led by MLK Jr.

I expect that perhaps starting later this year, or sometime next year, American conservatives will start wearing their armbands outside the home too.
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Nope, the modern Mad Lib Progressives rejected the Classical Liberals of the 20th century to endorse all sorts of insane positions, not least the idea that anyone who wants to live in this country ought to be able to do so just because that makes Mad Libs feel like they're generous.

Modern Conservatives also have nothing to do with Conservatives of the 20th century, but keep telling yourself that even a lot of POC citizens, including legal immigrants, turned against Mad Libs because Everything Is Racist (except Mad Libs).
 
Tangmo said:
Your post has presumptive complex question fallacies meaning they are accusations badly disguised as interrogatories that make assertions of guilt or wrongdoing without any evidence or proof. In short there's no there there to the post. Accordingly, a content reply is not merited.
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Your flailing attempt to marshal sesquipedalian terms is nugatory in the face of your non-existent analysis.
 
Tangmo said:
US Capitol January 6, 2021

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"No, this is not a Presidential animal shelter. Now please leave now."
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Your silly rewritten dialogue ignores the real thing, where the guards invited the Shaman and others into the supposedly forbidden territory.
 
soap box said:
You can't answer the questions. I will keep asking until you do.

Did someone claim that all the people in Los Angeles are being charged with obstruction?

Are the people in Los Angeles trying to stop the joint session of Congress from convening as the Electoral College?
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Dumb questions deserve smart answers that show how dumb they were. If you're gonna keep on bangin' your head like that, at least maintain a good rhythm.
 
AZRWinger said:
As we have seen with the Democrats reflexive resistance to maintaining civil order in LA, sanctuary jurisdictions aren't practicing the passive civil disobedience they want to claim. The so-called peaceful protesters set free speech rights on fire along with the American flag.
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So far Texas is way ahead of California in terms of peaceful protests. Here's one that happened in April without incident, in San Antonio:


The following article specifies that there were arrests of unruly protesters in both Dallas and Austin, but no areas, large or small, were usurped by demented activists, even though the Texas Libs also undoubtedly believe, as do their CA kindred, that immigration law does not matter. We'll soon see if the Texas governor's deployment of the NG "triggers" rampant violence from Libs in Texas as it did in California.

www.latimes.com

Gov. Abbott deploys over 5,000 Texas National Guard troops ahead of planned 'No Kings' protests

Abbott's announcement did not detail where the troops were sent, but some were seen at a protest Wednesday night in downtown San Antonio near the Alamo.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
 
j brown's body said:
If you had logic on your side, you might not have to manipulate emotion, I don't know. It's a MAGA specialty (see: pets, eating).

But your manipulations don't reflect concern for the suffering of citizens, as citizens are much more likely to suffer at the hands of their fellow citizens, but to foment fear and hatred of undocumented immigrants by stereotyping them.
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So far the only "logic" presented by Mad Libs amounts to, "We believe so hugely in Poor Miguel's right to make money in the US by doing shit jobs off the grid that we're willing to tolerate Creepy Kilmar running drugs and sex slaves."

Not a good look. And it's nothing to do with stereotyping, except for the Lib stereotype that all illegals are virtuous.
 
Ouroboros said:
Nope, the modern Mad Lib Progressives rejected the Classical Liberals of the 20th century to endorse all sorts of insane positions, not least the idea that anyone who wants to live in this country ought to be able to do so just because that makes Mad Libs feel like they're generous.

Modern Conservatives also have nothing to do with Conservatives of the 20th century, but keep telling yourself that even a lot of POC citizens, including legal immigrants, turned against Mad Libs because Everything Is Racist (except Mad Libs).
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There, you got all that out at last. I blew off your direct question about "modern" and 20th century "Mad Libs" so now comes the spiel you didn't get to spout.

Nothing you're trying to segregate about conservatives changes the reality that 21st century conservatives have become what we fought against and defeated throughout the 20th century. And that 21st century conservatives have rejected everything America was throughout the 20th century.

This shift has made so called "Centrists" all but extinct. Your "centrist" posts for instance have "Mad Libs" in just about each one and more than once each time. This is while your posts always give MAGAs a free ride and a box lunch -- plus the "My Fair Lady" movie.
 
Ouroboros said:
Your silly rewritten dialogue ignores the real thing, where the guards invited the Shaman and others into the supposedly forbidden territory.
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This one cuts to the bone don't it.

The MAGA Mooseman in the Capitol. Howling.

I'm afraid MAGAs who insist on doing Stalin rewrites of J6 and all else about America are just grinding up bones old and fresh alike.

Enshrining bone spurs for the mausoleum.
 
Ouroboros said:
Your flailing attempt to marshal sesquipedalian terms is nugatory in the face of your non-existent analysis.
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Throwing rocks now are we.

Sad but true.

Meanwhile I'm afraid the question before the courts is whether it's Constitutionally acceptable for armed NG troops and even active duty US Marines to protect ICE goons making their arrests. Yet the thing we can be certain of always is that each of 'em, the NG and the Marines, want out of this forthwith.

If there's one thing the military dislikes more than a parade, it's civil disturbance deployments for which they are totally unprepared and absolutely do not want to have to do. While many among us always have things we don't want to do, yet we do them, this is the armed forces of the United States with their military weapons against unarmed civilians in their communities. MAGAs of course just love seeing it. As ordered by their self appointed Generalissimo Donald Trump.
 
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