Trump’s border czar says he’s sending National Guard to fight LA anti-ICE protests as clashes continue into second day

[W_Heisenberg]

Good people who want to be apart of this country and live the American Dream. People who will wave the American flag proudly and continue the legacy of making this country great.

I don't disagree, but I'm not arguing against what you're writing here. I'm arguing against the typical Trump supporter mentality which results in illegal immigrants being treated like animals.

Wrong. Legal immigrants are what we need. Law abiding people who want to be Americans and become part of the American Dream.

Okay, how many poor, low-skill migrants from Central and South America are you comfortable granting temporary work permits to? What number would you put it at?

When they enter illegally or overstay their visa they are breaking the law.

What they're doing in actual fact is breaking a minor law through an action which doesn't hurt other people. The crime of improper entry exists because it's important for the government be able to know who enters our country. But it's not a crime similar to robbery or murder, etc. So, it's not appropriate to viciously insult illegal immigrants and treat them with such disdain.

When they commit crimes and are arrested they become criminals and need to b removed.

I agree, but what's actually happening is that the government is rounding up day laborers at Home Depot.

We do not need to support criminals entering our country. We need to bring in law abiding people and toss the criminals out permanently. Lawless criminals need to be replaced with law abiding immigrants. That is what we need.

I don't agree with what you're implying. Improper entry is not in the same category as other crimes. And when people are crossing the border to look for a job, to help us with the things we need, we should not describe them the way you're describing them. Saying they are "lawless criminals" is crazy. They're not "lawless criminals" anymore than a U.S. citizen is a "lawless criminal" for speeding or trespassing on someone's private property to get to work.

 

[Jagged]

No hostility just don't want people who do not respect our laws moving into my country. Especially when there are millions of law abiding people wanting to come here.


Expecting people to obey our laws is not wrong or hostile. It is what should be expected of the people we allow into our country.

Illegal entry just shows they have no respect for our laws. Plain and simple. When arrested for breaking other laws they need to be deported and banned. Now that Trump has secured our border and we toss out all the lawless we can start bringing law abiding immigrants into this country again. Good people who want to be apart of this country and live the American Dream. People who will wave the American flag proudly and continue the legacy of making this country great.


Wrong. Legal immigrants are what we need. Law abiding people who want to be Americans and become part of the American Dream.


Wrong. When they enter illegally or overstay their visa they are breaking the law. When they commit crimes and are arrested they become criminals and need to b removed. We do not need to support criminals entering our country. We need to bring in law abiding people and toss the criminals out permanently.
Lawless criminals need to be replaced with law abiding immigrants. That is what we need.

Trump is deporting legal aliens too. He's revoking their visas and shipping them out.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

I was a cop and know the law. When a person is pulled over and is wanted by the law in other states or the federal government looking the other way is wrong.

Each state and municipality is allowed to set their own laws and rules with respect to how they operate. Local police departments are not obligated to enforce immigration law unless there is a state statute or internal policy requiring it. There are certain things that must be done, but a lot of this claptrap about "sanctuary cities" isn't true.

The proper authorities need to be notified and these people need to be turned over to the law enforcement who are wanting them for possible crimes.

The bottom line is that states do not have to help the federal government enforce immigration law. So if there is some suspicion that someone crossed the border illegally it is not a legal requirement that a police officer inform ICE unless there is a statute or policy requiring it.

You either support criminals or you support the law. If you are in law enforcement or the judicial system you are committing a crime by not doing your job. Justice for all or for none. You don't get to chose who is above the law and does not have to follow the law.

An ICE agent or a police officer may not have the choice, but immigration judges are empowered with the discretion to choose which illegal immigrants stay, and which ones are deported. And they use this discretion all the time. And it's not about allowing someone to be above the law, it's about applying the logic of the law to the particular circumstances.

For example, you don't put someone in prison for 50 years if all they've done is stolen a pack of gum. That's stupid. A Judge would never sentence someone to prison for 50 years for stealing a pack of gum and say to the person, "Well, I am putting you in prison for 50 years for stealing a pack of gum because no one is above the law. We either support criminals or we support the law."

That's stupid. That's not how things work. The punishment, and the way we treat people are always proportional to the crime.

And with respect to illegal immigrants there are exceptions. In the case of someone who is fleeing persecution they can apply for asylum even if they've crossed the border illegally. This is an aspect of our law. Is an immigration judge who allows an illegal immigrant to stay in our country after they've applied for asylum violating the law in this case? No, they're not. Federal statutes allow for this.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Yes people have been wrongfully arrested and even sentenced in every country in the world. These things will happen. But abandoning the law and the justice system is not the solution.

I'm not saying that we should abandon the law. I'm saying we shouldn't be assholes. There is nothing in the law that says, "When dealing with illegal immigrants, you must be a belligerent asshole about everything, and be as cruel as possible." Yet that is what Trump and some of his supporters demand. Trump supporters demand the rest of us treat illegal immigrants like absolute shit. Like animals. Like people who don't even deserve to live. I think that's ****ed up. And these same people profess to be Christians.

Furthermore, when the federal government does not respect the due process rights of the people they are trying to deport, the federal government is the one breaking the law. The federal government also has obligations.

And, as a moral duty, we should not be deliberately sending people to prison if they have no criminal record. That is mean and it's a crazy, and if you support such a thing I would say you're someone who does not believe in American values.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

When criminals are supported over the law and justice system you create a horrible place that law abiding people flee from. We see this all over the world. We don't need to become what they have become.

If you're working, and you exchanging your labor for money, you're not a criminal. You're a productive member of the community.

The truth of the matter is illegal immigrants are generally good people who've committed the crime of improper entry.

And Trump supporters want illegal immigrants to be treated like invaders, enemies. But they're not invaders or enemies. They should not be treated as such.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Trump is deporting legal aliens too. He's revoking their visas and shipping them out.

This is true.

And the reason why this is happening is because Trump supporters are hostile to all immigrants, legal or not.

 

[Hamish Howl]

If you can't figure out that sanctuary cities are hiding criminals from the law. I am sorry. It is beyond obvious.

They aren't. They just aren't helping ICE.

 

[rhinefire]

Have the NG troops and Marines left or are they staying?

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Sources?

When I post, I provide a source.

You can lie all you want, it changes nothing.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

You're right, and, also, improper entry is a minor crime. It's similar to trespassing. So, it's not appropriate to label them as hardened criminals deserving of our worst punishment
I think expecting people to obey our laws is the right thing to do, and we can do that and also not be unnecessarily cruel.

I have hired people with a work visa. They paid taxes, obeyed out laws, they were applying for immigration status, and were wonderful people.
The people here illegally are not. I worked with them as well. When they don't pay taxes all the law abiding taxpayers have to pay their share as well. Everything about it is wrong and unfair to the law abiding.

The problem with this comment is that it isn't true. The vast majority of illegal immigrants come here and just work and don't bother anyone.

Most are not paying taxes because they are here illegally. A lot of them have already been removed from this country once or several times. They have no respect for our laws. I know lots of people who have been involved in car accidents with these people. No insurance, no license, no ID, eventually fingerprints come back and then we find out this is not the first time but has happened several times. They have been deported and have reentered illegally and could care less about our laws. Save it for the clueless. I know better.

They're deporting anyone they can find.

That is their job. To remove people entering illegally with no respect for our laws.

Okay, how many low-skill migrants from Central and South America are you comfortable granting temporary work permits to? What number would you put it at

I have no idea. The first thing we need to do is make it clear that they will be paid enough so my taxes don't have to subsidize them. First thing we do is get all the able bodied people here in this country working. Enough of the 3rd and 4th generation welfare recipients. It is time to take care of the people that cannot work and put the lazy to work. Industry needs to decide how many we need. Work visas need to be issued. No more slave labor. We don't need slaves picking the cotton in this country or anything else. Time to end the lie and pay workers a decent wage.

 

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When I post, I provide a source.

You can lie all you want, it changes nothing.

Are you still droning on about this? I forgot all about it.