Trump’s “Christian” supporters do not follow a central message of Jesus (1 Viewer)

[Lees]

Does Jesus support slavery?

Of course. Does Jesus ever say anything against slavery?

Lees

 

[Mulefoot]

"Who are we mere human mortals to question the immoral deeds/actions/directives of the unproven, immoral God/God concepts the mere mortals concocted in their misguided, vivid imaginations 1000s of years ago?"

- How dare we mere mortals question the attributes/immorality of that which has never been 'proven' to exist? -

So does morality exist or does it not?

I can't keep up anymore.

 

[Lees]

Those in the leadership positions weren't slaves. They owned slaves.

Does Jesus support slavery?

Man owning man.

Not the imaginary man a slave to God.

Slaves of God are not imaginary.

Lees

 

[Fledermaus]

Slaves of God are not imaginary.

Lees

Does Jesus support slavery?

Man owning man.

Not the imaginary man a slave to God.

 

[Lees]

Slavery was always the natural condition of man to God.

Even if not the God of the Greeks, etc.

Did God predate the Jews?

God predated all.

Lees

 

[Lees]

Does Jesus support slavery?

Man owning man.

Not the imaginary man a slave to God.

There is no imaginary man slave to God. And not all are slaves to God. Most are slaves to Satan. Either way, man is always a slave. It is his natural condition, whether he believes or not.

Lees

 

[Fledermaus]

God predated all.

Lees

Got it.

Therefore slavery predated all.

Since God loves man owning man.

Right?

 

[Fledermaus]

There is no imaginary man slave to God. And not all are slaves to God. Most are slaves to Satan. Either way, man is always a slave. It is his natural condition, whether he believes or not.

Lees

Does Jesus support slavery?

Man owning man.

You keep dodging the question.

 

[Logician Man]

God was around before the Greeks and Romans etc. etc. And slavery was always the natural condition of man to God.

Lees

Is it your contention that the biblical, Christian God created Adam and Eve with the predestined/predetermined "natural condition" for both Adam and Eve to inevitably become "slaves to God" after Adam and Eve were actually created? - Yes? - Or No? -

 

[Lees]

Got it.

Therefore slavery predated all.

Since God loves man owning man.

Right?

Good, about time.

Yes.

Slavery is the natural conditon of man. Why do you think we call Jesus "Lord"?

Lees

 

[Lees]

Does Jesus support slavery?

Man owning man.

You keep dodging the question.

Of course. I haven't dodged anything.

Lees

 

[Fledermaus]

Good, about time.

Yes.

Slavery is the natural conditon of man. Why do you think we call Jesus "Lord"?

Lees

Man owning man.

God approves of man owning man?

Quit trying to make this God owning man.

 

[Fledermaus]

Of course. I haven't dodged anything.

Lees

Does Jesus support slavery?

Man owning man.

 

[Lees]

Is it your contention that the biblical, Christian God created Adam and Eve with the predestined/predetermined "natural condition" for both Adam and Eve to inevitably become "slaves to God" after Adam and Eve were actually created? - Yes? - Or No? -

Ever since man was created his relationship to God is of Master/servant. He is the Lord our God. If one doesn't want God as His Lord, then he gets Satan as his lord. Either way, man is a slave to someone.

Lees

 

[Fledermaus]

Ever since man was created his relationship to God is of Master/servant. He is the Lord our God. If one doesn't want God as His Lord, then he gets Satan as his lord. Either way, man is a slave to someone.

Lees

Does God approve of man owning man?

Does Jesus approve of man owning man?

 

[Lees]

Man owning man.

God approves of man owning man?

Quit trying to make this God owning man.

How many times do I have to tell you. It is God Who instituted slavery.

Lees

 

[Logician Man]

Ever since man was created his relationship to God is of Master/servant. He is the Lord our God. If one doesn't want God as His Lord, then he gets Satan as his lord. Either way, man is a slave to someone.

Lees

Your entire bolded response above is meaningless and without any logical basis/merit whatsoever until/unless you can prove your positive assertions that either/both "God" and/or "Satan" actually exist. Can you prove that your God and/or Satan "actually" exists? - I say you can't, and won't, prove any such thing.

The floor is yours if you'd like to try to prove your positive assertions. - No proof = positive assertions being summarily dismissed as superstitious nonsense. -

 

[Fledermaus]

How many times do I have to tell you. It is God Who instituted slavery.

Lees

So, yes. In your opinion. God approves of man owning man.

Does Jesus approve of man owning man?

 

[Mulefoot]

How many times do I have to tell you. It is God Who instituted slavery.

Lees

Since the abolition of slavery was almost exclusively powered by the Christian Great Awakening, would you consider those Christians to be at odds with God's plan?

 

[Gordy327]

God was around before the Greeks and Romans etc.

Thats nice. Prove it!

etc. And slavery was always the natural condition of man to God.

Lees

That says a lot about your god, and nothing good either.

Oh yes. Those who don't believe are slaves also. Just not slaves of God.

Lees

Slaves to whom then?

Of course. Does Jesus ever say anything against slavery?

Lees

Sounds like Jesus was not as "love thy neighborly" as some might believe.

How many times do I have to tell you. It is God Who instituted slavery.

Lees

God is an evil douche then!

Slavery is the natural conditon of man. Why do you think we call Jesus "Lord"?

Lees

Leso let themselves become enslaved, either thru indoctrination, delusion, mental or emotional weakness, and overall irrationality.

God predated all.

Lees

That's nice. Prove it!

Slaves of God are not imaginary.

Lees

No, Delusional and/or irrational maybe.

 

[NolanVoyd]

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Show me in the Bible. Which should support what you're saying.
Lees

It was mystical and divine revelation not contained in mortal words

 

[watsup]

There is no imaginary man slave to God. And not all are slaves to God. Most are slaves to Satan. Either way, man is always a slave. It is his natural condition, whether he believes or not.

Lees

No God. No Satan. Myth and superstition. Get over it.

 

[Revelation]

No God. No Satan. Myth and superstition. Get over it.

shallow thinking as usual.

watsup, please make a real attempt to find God and enjoy heaven with us.

you have traded in a Life potential of serving Jesus for life without purpose or reward.


...in the end, the reward is misery.........without end.

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[watsup]

The Second Coming: (Matt. 25:31) "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:". After His return all the nations are gathered before Him. "(Matt. 25:32) "And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats. And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left."

The term 'Gentiles' or 'Nations' when used in the Bible speaks to the nations other than Israel, other than Jewish. 'goy' in the Old Testament and 'ethnos' in the New Testament.

This judgement of the sheep and goat nations is after the Second Coming of Christ. Israel and the world have just come through the Tribulation period on earth where tremendous destruction and persecution of the Jews have taken place. Jesus warned His disciples, who were Jews, that when they see the abomination of desolation stand in the Temple, as Daniel predicted they need to flee immediately. (Matt. 24:15-20) Because: "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

And then after that tribulation returns Jesus Christ. (Matt. 24:29) "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

Thus, the judgement of the nations, (Matt. 25:32) occurs after Christ's 2nd Coming. It has nothing to do with Christians, as you are trying to make it. It has to do with the way the Gentile nations treated the Jews during that Tribulation period.

Again, your use of (Matt. 25:40-46) is in the wrong time period and directed at the wrong people.

God doesn't disapprove of slavery. There are always good and bad slave owners as there are good and bad employers. I'm not avoiding the question. I have told you that God instituted slavery.

Lees

You are still wrong. I did some Google research and, just as I had expected, the great majority of Christians do indeed consider Matthew 25 to be an admonition by Jesus to INDIVIDUALS and not to nations. The problem with using the Bible as a reference is that it can be interpreted in different ways and each person doing so believes that their particular interpretation is the one that is directly supported by God, just as you are doing. Sorry, but that is the sin of pride to believe that you have direct access to the knowledge of your God. For instance, in this particular case (and that of slavery), you are clearly wrong as outlined by most other Christians, but your pride will not allow you to go back and consider their claims as being more feasible. This sin of pride is a real problem for Christians in each of them believing that they are totally correct in their particular interpretations of the Bible.