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Trayvon Martin school suspension linked to pot(edited)

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rocket88 said:
Did Zimmerman have Martin's school records in front of him? Doubtful.

Getting out of your car isn't illegal. Fine. Neither is possession of a screwdriver.
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Schools don't conduct criminal trials nor have to met the standards of one to make decisions, nor do I. Caught vandalizing a locker (spray paint) and then searching his locker producing a screwdriver and girl's jewelry unwilling to say where he got it and who gave it to him can - as a "probably" lead ME to believe him a burglar/thief. If you point is that doesn't met a criminal trial standard? No, it doesn't.
Civil cases are ALL decided without reaching the standards of a criminal trial to. Obviously none of us are talking about putting Martin on trial at any trial. Rather, we are - based on facts - drawing conclusions on "issues," and one issue is was the days and days of presenting Martin as the perfect behavior teen. That opens the quesiton of was he?
It would seem obviously not. I suppose you can claim the school also entered into a conspiracy against him while a live, like claimed police did of his death. I agree with the school but also draw my own "likelihood" conclusions of my own.
 
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Samhain said:
There is evidence that he isn't full of it. The police have confirmed that they have multiple witnesses that back up key points of his account of events.
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NO witnesses have stated that Martin attacked Zimmerman from behind.

that is only Zimmerman's allegation.

however, it is a FACT that Zimmerman searched for Martin in his car, and then on foot, against the directions of the 911 operator.
 
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Thunder said:
that is Zimmerman's claim.

it has yet to be determind if he is telling the truth.

their is evidence that he is full of ****.
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everything else he has said has been consistent with witness testimony.

but the person I responded to said that it is known that Zimmerman sought out Martin. Why are you not pointing out that this is unverifiable? be consistent please
 
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Maybe not legally (debatable), but factually those who act foolishly hold responsibility for their actions. And nowhere did I say Trayvon was blameless. Blame can be shared. But if Zimmerman behaves responsibly, no one dies. And we do know Zimmerman followed and got out of his vehicle. We'll likely learn more later, and can then assign all the proper responsibility. But right know, what we do know is that Zimmerman was told not to follow, he did, he got out of his car, and a young man died. At beat, Zimmerman shares the responsibility.
 
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We'll never know if Martin was doing nothing wrong or not.
 
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Karl said:
The fact is, Martin was stalked because he was black.
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No that's not a fact. That's rhetoric.

And there are multiple threads talking about that night... this thread is talking about Martin's history prior to that night.
 
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No one is entirely wholesome. However, nothing available suggests he was a bad person, just a young one. It is also entirely irrelevant and attacking the victim.
 
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Thunder said:
that evidence is from the 911 tape. the 911 tape is full of ****?
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You mean the 911 call where he says "oh crap, I don't know where this kid is"?
 
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ARealConservative said:
everything else he has said has been consistent with witness testimony.

but the person I responded to said that it is known that Zimmerman sought out Martin. Why are you not pointing out that this is unverifiable? be consistent please
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it is a FACT that Zimmerman was following Martin in his car and on foot.

This is not an allegation. It is a fact verified by Zimmerman's own admission.
 
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Samhain said:
You mean the 911 call where he says "oh crap, I don't know where this kid is"?
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Zimmerman was following & looking for Martin in his car and on foot. This is a fact that is verified by Zimmerman's own admission.
 
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You cannot assume events went differently and utopia follows. Maybe if Zimmerman hadn't followed Martin would have attacked someone else, burglarized a house, sold drugs to an 8 year old... There is no knowing the unknown.

IF Martin was actually just going home had done so, this also wouldn't have happened. If he hadn't started pounding Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk, this wouldn't have happened. If... if... if... That does NOT make shared responsibility.
 
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Ockham said:
No that's not a fact. That's rhetoric.

And there are multiple threads talking about that night... this thread is talking about Martin's history prior to that night.
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Mostly I agree with you. But I'm not sure if he was white and wearing a hoodie that this would have ended the same. I do think our perceptions are often based on stereotypes and those can and often do have a bit of race in them.
 
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Thunder said:
that evidence is from the 911 tape. the 911 tape is full of ****?
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No, but your interpretation of the tape might be.
 
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Thunder said:
it is a FACT that Zimmerman was following Martin in his car and on foot.

This is not an allegation. It is a fact verified by Zimmerman's own admission.
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I think I must've read everything out there on this -- and I don't recall Zimmerman saying he followed Martin in his car...nor on foot. Oh, wait. When the dispatcher asked if he was following, Martin said, "Yes." When the dispatcher said, "Okay, we don't need you to do that," we do not know that he continued to do so.

Ya' know, folks, we're talking about proof beyond a reasonable doubt that this guy is guilty of something. Not, "Well, I think it happened this way, and he's a murderer."
 
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Anyone recognize this black teen? He killed an old white guy in Spokane Washington. Treven Lewis is his very similar name, where's the outrage?


 
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Thunder said:
it is a FACT that Zimmerman was following Martin in his car and on foot.

This is not an allegation. It is a fact verified by Zimmerman's own admission.
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Explain what illegal act was done.
 
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No where have I done that. No utopia. No speculation on what Matin might have done. Only that following and getting out of the care is a positive act, and it has to be considered as partly responsible.
 
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Redress said:
No one is entirely wholesome. However, nothing available suggests he was a bad person, just a young one. It is also entirely irrelevant and attacking the victim.
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Martin wasn't even partially wholesome if the reports are accurate. Burglary tools? Pot pipe? Allegedly swinging at a bus driver? Suspended three times since Feb? Sounds like it shows at least the beginnings of a pattern... It's not irrelevant - it goes to the character of the alleged victim and is in no way attacking in any sense. These are facts - you may see them as an attack because you have sympathy, but that sympathy is irrelevant.
 
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Thunder said:
it is a FACT that Zimmerman was following Martin in his car and on foot.

This is not an allegation. It is a fact verified by Zimmerman's own admission.
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but it is not a fact that he intended to, or did confront Martin. the facts lead to Martin confronting Zimmerman
 
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Thunder said:
Zimmerman was following & looking for Martin in his car and on foot. This is a fact that is verified by Zimmerman's own admission.
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And he didn't find him, which is his story, and its backed up by the 911 call. Then the remainder of his story, is corroborated by witnesses, according to authorities.
 
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sawyerloggingon said:
Anyone recognize this black teen? He killed an old white guy in Spokane Washington. Treven Lewis is his very similar name, where's the outrage?


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Good luck with that... media couldn't care less and Obama just can't relate to old white men you see.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Mostly I agree with you. But I'm not sure if he was white and wearing a hoodie that this would have ended the same. I do think our perceptions are often based on stereotypes and those can and often do have a bit of race in them.
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Of course they do. It would be impossible for human beings not to be effected by stereotypes -- in spite of what political correctness keeps insisting. Learning who our enemies are and being extra vigilant against them is what's kept us alive for tens of thousands of years.
 
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Once again for the 100x time - Order, told, suggest, instruct, etc, etc

Some dude or gal behind a phone...aka dispatcher. Their words have no basis in law
 
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