Transgender people's fears

[Scatty Kitty]

I think a question would be, did you expect the discrimination, or did it take you by surprise?

It didn't take me by surprise. From whom it was coming from yes but I never once doubted I would face discrimination.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

12 times in the entire document so it's really not a big deal in this document

12 times with policy recommendations that have very serious consequences but your point still stands.

You said immigrants that was false.

Being undocumented isn't a crime in the US.

 

[Lisa]

For under 18. It should not be for adults.

How exactly do you treat teens with gender dysphoria, or do you expect to just ignore the issue? Why would anyone care about your ideas when you lack any education in the subject?


Maybe we should ban teens from having gay relationships until they are 18 or 21 because they are too young to consent to such sexual " perversions"? Gay teens are sent to 12 weeks of conversion therapy every year until they turn 18, so they are forced to be heterosexual. They can choose to be LGB when they turn 18-21. Or is that wrong because it involves people like you?

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Another lie. Not promoting is not banning. That you have to keep lying says all one needs to know about your argument.

I don't think you responded to the teacher claim yet. I'll let you get back to me on that one first.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

What is the standard, test or criteria you propose to diagnose and affirm one's gender beyond how one feels?

You mean like how do I determine whether someone is trans or not?

How can gender affirming care be banned? I don't see that happening.

There are lots of ways. The first is through bureaucratic incompetence like in GB. Then there's outright banning of the prescriptions for gender dysphoria. For example, you can say that trans women can't be prescribed estrogen because it's not safe medication. Lastly you can just ban research into how to provide those services by restricting research.

I take it that you have no idea why that is irrelevant to this discussion?

I'm sorry but you just don't get it. I'm not going to play stupid games with you.

 

[NatMorton]

I'm sorry but you just don't get it. I'm not going to play stupid games with you.

Your reference to the good doctor is irrelevant to the points we are discussing, and there is nothing stupid about pointing that out. If you have an explanation for why it's relevant, by all means, let's hear it. If you want stamp your feet and leave the discussion, you can do that, too.

 

[braindrain]

I don't think you responded to the teacher claim yet. I'll let you get back to me on that one first.

I will right after you admit you are lying and trying to pretend not promoting and banning are not the same thing.

But to be honest I have no idea what teacher claim you are babbling about.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

I will right after you admit you are lying and trying to pretend not promoting and banning are not the same thing.

But to be honest I have no idea what teacher claim you are babbling about.

K

Your reference to the good doctor is irrelevant to the points we are discussing, and there is nothing stupid about pointing that out. If you have an explanation for why it's relevant, by all means, let's hear it. If you want stamp your feet and leave the discussion, you can do that, too.

K.

 

[braindrain]

K

Can’t say that you lacking the integrity to admit your lies comes as any surprise to me.

 

[NatMorton]

Can’t say that you lacking the integrity to admit your lies comes as any surprise to me.

She doesn't seem to realize that we're here to debate, and when you make an assertion they must defended rationally.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

She doesn't seem to realize that we're here to debate, and when you make an assertion they must defended rationally.

You can't give me a standard to gauge, you don't understand the basics of trans healthcare, you don't know the threats to trans people, you can't defend rationally what you don't understand.

 

[StarvedForChange]

He has better things to do than worry about trans people.
What EXACT policy or legislation are you fearing?
SPECIFICALLY.

She doesn't seem to realize that we're here to debate, and when you make an assertion they must defended rationally.

The Trump cult spent billions vilifying the LGBTQ community this last cycle. Just stop with the gaslighting. The Trump cult's greatest fear is that the wrong person is going to see them pee or tell their kids a story.

 

[NatMorton]

You can't give me a standard to gauge, you don't understand the basics of trans healthcare, you don't know the threats to trans people, you can't defend rationally what you don't understand.

If you really must have a standard, I will give you one. It's a standard commonly used in the law: reasonableness. It's typically assessed by what people (prosecutors, judges, jury members) believe the average person would reasonably do in a given situation.

To give an extreme example to illustrate, let us suppose I am at home on my back porch and I see someone walk into my yard. Fearing he means me harm, I pull out a pistol and shoot him. Would a court of law consider my fear "reasonable" given the circumstances? The answer is almost certainly not. The man entering my yard may have been there to read the gas meter or he may just have shown up for a garden party at the wrong address. A reasonable response would have been to ask him why he is there or a request to leave. Conversely, if he comes into my yard wearing a mask and holding a AR-15 and I shoot him in exactly the same way, then I will likely not be found guilty of anything. The mask and the gun make his trespassing something a reasonable person would fear.

Which brings us back to your fear. You listed four reasons why you fear to an extreme degree the coming administration; you're even considering fleeing the country. None of those reasons were fears that a reasonable person would have for the explanations I gave you.

This is the standard I use to judge your fears as unreasonable.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

If you really must have a standard, I will give you one. It's a standard commonly used in the law: reasonableness. It's typically assessed by what people (prosecutors, judges, jury members) believe the average person would reasonably do in a given situation.

That is not a standard. That's just saying "I'm going to apply the standard of reasonableness rationally". It's a tautology. You're just saying repeating the same words different ways. Heck you haven't even defined what a rational person would do in these situations because you have to presume a definition of rationality in regards to when a person fears prosecution...which you haven't done.

To give an extreme example to illustrate, let us suppose I am at home on my back porch and I see someone walk into my yard. Fearing he means me harm, I pull out a pistol and shoot him. Would a court of law consider my fear "reasonable" given the circumstances? The answer is almost certainly not. The man entering my yard may have been there to read the gas meter or he may just have shown up for a garden party at the wrong address. A reasonable response would have been to ask him why he is there or a request to leave. Conversely, if he comes into my yard wearing a mask and holding a AR-15 and I shoot him in exactly the same way, then I will likely not be found guilty of anything. The mask and the gun make his trespassing something a reasonable person would fear.

Are you seriously not going to give an example of "reasonableness" that has anything to do with any of the examples I said? You can make that argument... if you know what you're talking about.

Which brings us back to your fear. You listed four reasons why you fear to an extreme degree the coming administration; you're even considering fleeing the country. None of those reasons were fears that a reasonable person would have for the explanations I gave you.

You haven't explained anything because you don't know anything about the topic matter.

This is the standard I use to judge your fears as unreasonable.

You haven't done anything. You're just repeating your ignorance as if it was shrouded in rationality. It's not. It's just ignorance of the facts at hand.

 

[Trumpetman]

You mean like how do I determine whether someone is trans or not?

You said it was more complicated than how one feels but offered nothing beyond that.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

You said it was more complicated than how one feels but offered nothing beyond that.

I wasn't sure what was meant by the question. What exactly is the question?

 

[CLAX1911]

How exactly do you treat teens with gender dysphoria,

Counseling.

or do you expect to just ignore the issue?

Number of well rods no just don't lie to them and tell them that becoming a eunuch changes their sex or their gender identity or anything like that.

Why would anyone care about your ideas when you lack any education in the subject?

It's not just my opinion I'd it's probably the opinion of about 80 to 90% of the people in the US.

Most people are not too keen on sterilizing children that's ****ed up a modern and historically that will be seen the same way lobotomies are seen today.

Maybe we should ban teens from having gay relationships until they are 18 or 21 because they are too young to consent to such sexual " perversions"?

Pistol you would only have a point if in order to do that they have to become eunuchs. A teenager that has a gay relationship and their scenes can grow up and still have a fully functional reproductive system.

It's not the same thing being gay does not require any "fixing" in the doctor's office in order to be gay.

Gay teens are sent to 12 weeks of conversion therapy every year until they turn 18, so they are forced to be heterosexual. They can choose to be LGB when they turn 18-21. Or is that wrong because it involves people like you?

I'm arguing against conversion transition and conversion are synonyms.

 

[CLAX1911]

12 times with policy recommendations that have very serious consequences but your point still stands.

Well no twice it's listed in the index so that's just an index. What policy recommendations have serious consequences in the index?

Also I've read the four times it's mentioned where it's pertinent do anything considering LGBT what are these serious consequences list them please. I read it and it seems like the consequences are very mundane and not really anything to be worried about at all unless you want to perv on children.

So what are these consequences?

Being undocumented isn't a crime in the US.

Entering the country illegally is.

 

[CLAX1911]

But puberty should be for everyone right?

Interrupting someone's maturing process doesn't change their sex it doesn't affirm any gender identity it just turns them into a eunuch.

If you lie to children and tell them that becoming a eunuch somehow affirms some gender identity that should be criminal malpractice.

 

[braindrain]

You can't give me a standard to gauge, you don't understand the basics of trans healthcare, you don't know the threats to trans people, you can't defend rationally what you don't understand.

With is still better then you not understanding, or just lying about, the definition of common words.

 

[braindrain]

The Trump cult spent billions vilifying the LGBTQ community this last cycle. Just stop with the gaslighting. The Trump cult's greatest fear is that the wrong person is going to see them pee or tell their kids a story.

Just fyi lying is rarely a convincing argument.

 

[Trumpetman]

I wasn't sure what was meant by the question. What exactly is the question?

What is the standard, test or criteria you propose to diagnose and affirm one's gender beyond how one feels?

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Well no twice it's listed in the index so that's just an index. What policy recommendations have serious consequences in the index?

Also I've read the four times it's mentioned where it's pertinent do anything considering LGBT what are these serious consequences list them please. I read it and it seems like the consequences are very mundane and not really anything to be worried about at all unless you want to perv on children.

So what are these consequences?

I'm going to say the school and pornography references specifically.

Entering the country illegally is.

True. But most undocumented migrants are here on expired visas.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

What is the standard, test or criteria you propose to diagnose and affirm one's gender beyond how one feels?

Oh gotcha. Does the act of transitioning carry with it significant locutionary force to show ones gender identity. In other words, what steps do they take to show others they are their gender they're claiming to be.

 

[CLAX1911]

I'm going to say the school and pornography references specifically.

So it's anti-lgbt to not provide pornography in schools for children?

Why is it people are connecting this perverted shit to LGBT? We fought for decades to try and get people to understand we're not a danger to children.

And now you think it's anti-lgbt to not provide pornography for children?

What is the LGBT interest in providing pornography to children?

True. But most undocumented migrants are here on expired visas.

Entered the country illegally the second or VISA expired. That's criminal.