Transgender issues are a strength for Trump, AP-NORC poll finds (1 Viewer)

[Lisa]

Its certainly possible. Based on my online conversations with many trans individuals I find they have trouble with that. Which is not a surprise.

You can answer the question if you'd like or not I guess.

Are you a transphobe? I can play the same game of partisan accusations..............

This is a purely medical issue that should be left to Drs and psychologists, unless you know more than they do about the issue. Political culture wars should have nothing to do with medical care.

 

[ajn678]

This is a purely medical issue that should be left to Drs and psychologists, unless you know more than they do about the issue. Political culture wars should have nothing to do with medical care.

It is. The doctors in Europe largely disagree with you.
Why is that?

 

[Lisa]

It is. The doctors in Europe largely disagree with you.
Why is that?

That is a small but very vocal minority that is amplified by the conservative media. The fact that those who believe them still do not understand the core concept of gender identity is very obvious. Their own ignorance of the subject makes them believe the lies.

Many people want Drs to actively gatekeep patients as was done in the past and deny medical care to transgender teens. Those denials of care are dangerous and have lifelong negative consequences. Medical care will never be 100%, so if that is your goal we can close all hospitals to save people from possible consequences.

Cancer care cant cure cancer but it usually does have the fact of giving the person 5-`10 more years of life. Should we put an end to all cancer care because many people die and even the most successful only have a decade or more of life?

 

[ajn678]

That is a small but very vocal minority that is amplified by the conservative media. The fact that those who believe them still do not understand the core concept of gender identity is very obvious. Their own ignorance of the subject makes them believe the lies.

Many people want Drs to actively gatekeep patients as was done in the past and deny medical care to transgender teens. Those denials of care are dangerous and have lifelong negative consequences. Medical care will never be 100%, so if that is your goal we can close all hospitals to save people from possible consequences.

Cancer care cant cure cancer but it usually does have the fact of giving the person 5-`10 more years of life. Should we put an end to all cancer care because many people die and even the most successful only have a decade or more of life?

No it isn't. Its entire organizations in Europe to the point that the government's are changing their suggestions and treatment plans.

 

[Lisa]

No it isn't. Its entire organizations in Europe to the point that the government's are changing their suggestions and treatment plans.

There is nothing that needs to be changed because nobody is being pushed unnecessarily into care.

How Many Transgender People Detransition?​

The answer isn’t simple, because the term “detransition” itself varies in definition across studies. But thanks to Feigerlova’s 2024 review, we now have the most comprehensive, stratified analysis to date. It found:

• 0.8%–7.4% of people change their minds before starting puberty blockers (GnRHa).
• 1.6%–7.6% stop GnRHa treatment, but only 1%–3.8% do so because they no longer wish to transition.
• 1.6%–9.8% discontinue hormone therapy (GAHT), but only 0.5%–9.8% cite doubts about identity or external pressures.

Discontinuation is not always detransition. Many stop treatment because of medical side effects, financial barriers, or access issues, not because they regret transitioning.

Detransition Facts: Debunking Well Funded Misinformation

Anti-Gender Movements Received $186M from the Russian Federation. Detransition is complicated. How many people regret it?

www.gendergp.com

Hypothetically, given your avatar, can I accuse you of being a soccer hooligan, as you accused me of being transgender as a way to discredit me, or would that be wrong if I did that?

 

[ajn678]

There is nothing that needs to be changed because nobody is being pushed unnecessarily into care.

Detransition Facts: Debunking Well Funded Misinformation

Anti-Gender Movements Received $186M from the Russian Federation. Detransition is complicated. How many people regret it?

www.gendergp.com

Hypothetically, given your avatar, can I accuse you of being a soccer hooligan, as you accused me of being transgender as a way to discredit me, or would that me wrong if I did that?

I wasn't trying to discredit you. I was asking a question that I think is relevant. Several European nations have already changed their policies in how they deal with children that report gender dysphoria.

You bringing up irrelevant links doesn't change that.

 

[Lord of Planar]

I couldn't resist:

 

[Lisa]

I wasn't trying to discredit you.

BS, absolute BS. You were trying to make it seem as if my stance was personal and emotional instead of being objective.

I was asking a question that I think is relevant. Several European nations have already changed their policies in how they deal with children that report gender dysphoria.

Politicans know fVck-all about the subject. This is politically motivated nonsense.

You bringing up irrelevant links doesn't change that.

The number of detrans is at the core of the subject.

 

[Lisa]

I couldn't resist:


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Sorry to burst your bubble but trans people existed in the late 1960s. Dr Stanley Biber stared doing surgery in 1969 in the USA.

EDIT, Its almost as if your fraglile masculinity and/or lack of self confidence would be severely threatened if you liked a woman and then found out that she was transgender, even if she had bottom surgery in the past.

 

[ajn678]

BS, absolute BS. You were trying to make it seem as if my stance was personal and emotional instead of being objective.



Politicans know fVck-all about the subject. This is politically motivated nonsense.

The number of detrans is at the core of the subject.

Nope, I was just curious. You haven't answered either way and you're still wrong.
The politicians are basing their policies around what the science is telling them.
The number of people detransitioning has nothing to do with what science tells us.

 

[Lisa]

Nope, I was just curious. You haven't answered either way and you're still wrong.
The politicians are basing their policies around what the science is telling them.
The number of people detransitioning has nothing to do with what science tells us.

Medical science is not telling them what they are claiming. The medical community is very clear on supporting transgender care for teens.

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/25340/AAP-reaffirms-gender-affirming-care-policy

APA adopts groundbreaking policy supporting transgender, gender diverse, nonbinary individuals

Explore APA’s landmark policy endorsing evidence-based care for transgender, gender diverse, and nonbinary individuals, highlighting APA President Cynthia de las Fuentes's emphasis on inclusive healthcare, legislative challenges, and the comprehensive resolution advocating for equitable...

www.apa.org

AMA reinforces opposition to restrictions on transgender medical care

Move comes as states consider denying children recommended medical care.

www.ama-assn.org

 

[ajn678]

Medical science is not telling them what they are claiming. The medical community is very clear on supporting transgender care for teens.

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/25340/AAP-reaffirms-gender-affirming-care-policy

APA adopts groundbreaking policy supporting transgender, gender diverse, nonbinary individuals

Explore APA’s landmark policy endorsing evidence-based care for transgender, gender diverse, and nonbinary individuals, highlighting APA President Cynthia de las Fuentes's emphasis on inclusive healthcare, legislative challenges, and the comprehensive resolution advocating for equitable...

www.apa.org

AMA reinforces opposition to restrictions on transgender medical care

Move comes as states consider denying children recommended medical care.

www.ama-assn.org

The US is about 10-15 years behind Europe in terms of the science. Apologies if you are ignorant on the topic.

 

[Airyaman]

This coming from the LA Times.

While the poll showed more support than not for trans in the military, the tables flipped when the polled rejected trans students picking and choosing which bathroom they want to use.

Plus using payer dollars for medical expenses the poor their decisions cause.

Following is an interesting data point from the polling;

"About two-thirds of those surveyed agree with Trump that whether a person is a man or woman is determined by their biological characteristics at birth."

Transgender issues are a strength for Trump, AP-NORC poll finds

A new AP-NORC poll finds that most U.S. adults agree with President Trump that whether a person is a man or woman is determined at birth and cannot be changed.

www.latimes.com

So do you suppose trans issues will be enough to retain the House in 2026?

Good luck with that!

 

[Lisa]

The US is about 10-15 years behind Europe in terms of the science.

The US leads the world in medical care.

BTW. The ICD has not changed on their stance on transgender medical care and neither has the DSM or WPATH.

Gender incongruence and transgender health in the ICD

www.who.int

Apologies if you are ignorant on the topic.

This is a personal attack.

 

[VySky]

So do you suppose trans issues will be enough to retain the House in 2026?

Nope. Trump and crew will have fixed the mess well before then..

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

So classic. Trump success based on bashing the most marginalized people.

I bet there was once a headline: "Transgender issues are a strength for Nazis, poll shows."

More like classic liberal stupidity falling into this trap. Clinton and Obama didn't openly support gay marriage. That's how they got elected by not getting baited into unpopular culture war issues. Harris foolishly went after that .001% trans prisoner vote that cares about trans prisoners getting medical support. And Biden helped us win the support of all those undocumented people who can't vote.

 

[j brown's body]

Someone described the right-wing's latching onto trans persecution as "a blood sacrifice for women after taking away their right to control their own bodies."

 

[ajn678]

The US leads the world in medical care.

Laughable. Maybe in certain topics and fields.

BTW. The ICD has not changed on their stance on transgender medical care and neither has the DSM or WPATH.

Gender incongruence and transgender health in the ICD

www.who.int

I'm sorry where does the ICD provide their stance on medical care for children in your link?

This is a personal attack.

No it isn't. You being ignorant on a topic doesn't mean I am attacking you. I am ignorant on many topics as well.

 

[Lisa]

Laughable. Maybe in certain topics and fields.

I'm sorry where does the ICD provide their stance on medical care for children in your link?

You could have Googled that.

ICD-11 has redefined gender identity-related health, replacing outdated diagnostic categories like ICD-10’s “transsexualism” and “gender identity disorder of children” with “gender incongruence of adolescence and adulthood” and “gender incongruence of childhood” respectively. Gender incongruence has been moved out of the “Mental and behavioural disorders” chapter and into the new “Conditions related to sexual health” chapter. This reflects current knowledge that trans-related and gender diverse identities are not conditions of mental ill-health, and that classifying them as such can cause enormous stigma.

Inclusion of gender incongruence in the ICD-11 should ensure transgender people’s access to gender-affirming health care, as well as adequate health insurance coverage for such services. Recognition in the ICD also acknowledges the links between gender identity, sexual behaviour, exposure to violence and sexually transmitted infections.

What is Gender Incongruence?​

Gender incongruence of adolescence or adulthood : Gender Incongruence of Adolescence and Adulthood is characterised by a marked and persistent incongruence between an individual´s experienced gender and the assigned sex, which often leads to a desire to ‘transition’, in order to live and be accepted as a person of the experienced gender, through hormonal treatment, surgery or other health care services to make the individual´s body align, as much as desired and to the extent possible, with the experienced gender. The diagnosis cannot be assigned prior the onset of puberty. Gender variant behaviour and preferences alone are not a basis for assigning the diagnosis.

Gender incongruence of childhood : Gender incongruence of childhood is characterised by a marked incongruence between an individual’s experienced/expressed gender and the assigned sex in pre-pubertal children. It includes a strong desire to be a different gender than the assigned sex; a strong dislike on the child’s part of his or her sexual anatomy or anticipated secondary sex characteristics and/or a strong desire for the primary and/or anticipated secondary sex characteristics that match the experienced gender; and make-believe or fantasy play, toys, games, or activities and playmates that are typical of the experienced gender rather than the assigned sex. The incongruence must have persisted for about 2 years. Gender variant behaviour and preferences alone are not a basis for assigning the diagnosis.

Gender incongruence and transgender health in the ICD

www.who.int

No it isn't. You being ignorant on a topic doesn't mean I am attacking you. I am ignorant on many topics as well.

Don't bother trying to weasel out now.

 

[ajn678]

You could have Googled that.

Gender incongruence and transgender health in the ICD

www.who.int

Don't bother trying to weasel out now.

Nothing you linked states the treatment for children. Care you try again?

I am not weaseling out. You are ignorant on the topic. It isn't a personal attack. If you think it is, then report me.

 

[Lisa]

Nothing you linked states the treatment for children. Care you try again?

What is gender-affirmative health care?​

Gender-affirmative health care can include any single or combination of a number of social, psychological, behavioural or medical (including hormonal treatment or surgery) interventions designed to support and affirm an individual’s gender identity

from the previous link.

I am not weaseling out. You are ignorant on the topic. It isn't a personal attack. If you think it is, then report me.

 

[ajn678]

from the previous link.

That doesn't provide what I asked. Try again. Thanks.

 

[Lisa]

That doesn't provide what I asked. Try again. Thanks.

What exactly do you want to know?

 

[Diving Mullah]

This coming from the LA Times.

While the poll showed more support than not for trans in the military, the tables flipped when the polled rejected trans students picking and choosing which bathroom they want to use.

Plus using payer dollars for medical expenses the poor their decisions cause.

Following is an interesting data point from the polling;

"About two-thirds of those surveyed agree with Trump that whether a person is a man or woman is determined by their biological characteristics at birth."

Transgender issues are a strength for Trump, AP-NORC poll finds

A new AP-NORC poll finds that most U.S. adults agree with President Trump that whether a person is a man or woman is determined at birth and cannot be changed.

www.latimes.com

This may very well be true! But so was segregation.

Even though I despise LBJ with every fiber of my being, he chose to do the right thing. He made a moral stand to redeem the soul of this country from one of the greatest crimes in U.S. history—perhaps even in human history. He knew it would cost the Democratic Party the South for generations, yet he pressed forward, prioritizing justice over party unity.


Seventy years later, we are cursed with presidents scraped from the bottom of the barrel of human decency—leaders who gleefully choose the depraved path, cheered on by MAGA minions marching in lockstep, embracing yet another moral obscenity and a new form of segregation.


Oh, America—how far we have fallen, and how tragically backward we’ve tumbled.


Divng Mullah

 

[ajn678]

What exactly do you want to know?

I already stated. I don't feel like repeating it for the 5th or 6th time. Have a nice day.