Transgender chess player wins French Women’s Championship

[justoneman]

Here's one now what? I don't even know who that is, and you didn't either until whatever right wing coloring book website you use told you to hate them.

I do not hate him. I hate the rules that allow him to compete in women's sports.

 

[Juin]

Sure, they undergo years of therapy, and then surgery, just so they can dominate women's sports with all the money and fame that goes with it.

The assertion is not only baseless, it's pretty stupid.

A transwoman is a self hating male. When this self hatred is taken to castration its time to dial 911

 

[The Brad Dad]

A transwoman is a self hating male. When this self hatred is taken to castration its time to dial 911

Why?It has nothing to do with you. Who cares what your opinion is of how other people choose to pursue happiness? Think hard before answering. If you invoke children or women's sports, you blew the answer.

 

[Juin]

Why?It has nothing to do with you. Who cares what your opinion is of how other people choose to pursue happiness? Think hard before answering. If you invoke children or women's sports, you blew the answer.

And naturally its your prerogative to set the parameters for discussion!

 

[The Brad Dad]

And naturally its your prerogative to set the parameters for discussion!

Sorry, wanted to have an honest conversation and we can't do that if you're gonna go to the normal rw bullshit. I mean, I have no control over your keyboard. Type away.

 

[Juin]

Sorry, wanted to have an honest conversation and we can't do that if you're gonna go to the normal rw bullshit. I mean, I have no control over your keyboard. Type away.

That mantle of honesty is ill fitting.

 

[Juin]

Oh my gosh are you kidding me? Are people seriously saying that men have a biological advantage in chess so we need to segregate Chess as well? That's ridiculous.

Why is chess segregated in the first place?

 

[The Brad Dad]

That mantle of honesty is ill fitting.

I don't give a single shit about whatever bullshit you were going to say about kids or women's sports. Right wingers use that bullshit as a way into trying to control the lives of other people.

 

[Juin]

... it was a segregated chess tournament for women.

Exactly! And as long as it is segregated it is a fraud when an impostor impersonates a female

 

[Juin]

I don't give a single shit about whatever bullshit you were going to say about kids or women's sports. Right wingers use that bullshit as a way into trying to control the lives of other people.

Get off that high horse

 

[cAPSLOCK]

Then support your supposition with clinical citations.

There have been many studies done on the difference in spatial intelligence differences in men and women, as well as studies that show similar but opposite results in social intelligence, for example.

And the reason you probably see the numbers skew so much at the top is that the edges are so small that that little difference will give a significant nudge to the numbers.

That's not to say that there aren't social reasons, access reasons, and a lot of other things that have nothing to do with intelligence. But intelligence is certainly a factor, and studies have proven it. I've linked one.

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1635510

 

[The Brad Dad]

Get off that high horse

You wanted to fight with me about teh dignity of women's sports which you don't care about.

 

[Juin]

You do realize the reason there are segregated events for just women is to help encourage women to play the sport right? It's not because of any biological advantages but rather because there are fewer women who play chess competitively. So to help encourage them, they play in their own separate league.

It's either segregated, or it is not. If it is segregated then all men without exception are excluded

 

[Juin]

You wanted to fight with me about teh dignity of women's sports which you don't care about.

No one wants to fight with you. Sorry

 

[The Brad Dad]

I do not hate him. I hate the rules that allow him to compete in women's sports.

Chess? Say serious things if you want to be taken seriously.

 

[Juin]

I mean, the core of the trans argument is that trans people have the brain of the opposite sex... so it's like you understand there are cognitive differences, you just get mad when they are pointed out.

Great point. So in a sense the trans argument is a mess! Brains must be different if a trans has to be different from a cis; but to compete against cis women brains have to return to same

 

[Juin]

Chess? Say serious things if you want to be taken seriously.

Geez

 

[Juin]

While studies show men have, on average, superior spatial abilities, this does not automatically make them better at chess, which requires a complex mix of skills. Men being seen as better players than women is more likely attributed to societal factors, like gender stereotypes and historical opportunities for men in the sport.

I can agree with that. It's a fair argument. But the solution is removing the barriers; not making exceptions

 

[Juin]

Yosha Iglesias is ranked #1381 in the world, and #7 among women. That difference isn't explained away by the 85/15 split of men to women.

That is not easily explained away. And also makes the case for female categories

 

[Crakhobarbie]

I can agree with that. It's a fair argument. But the solution is removing the barriers; not making exceptions

Thats up to those organizations that run chess tournaments.

 

[Juin]

the consensus. but at one time it would be heretical to say there are any cognitive genetic differences between men and women

Problem is the foundation of the trans case is the claim there are cognitive genetic differences within the group. If there can be cognitive genetic differences within a group there can also be between groups

 

[Crakhobarbie]

I didn't argue that it automatically made them better at chess. I said it gave men an advantage, which it does.

Again, Support this contention with clinical citations.
Not blogs.

 

[jmotivator]

I wrote specifically that I was. When you questioned the exact words, I expanded it.

Great then we'll just stick with the OP topic.

LOL. You brought up equestrian competitions.

I dont feel like getting into men's upper body strength making a difference. Or their willingness to take on shitty living conditions.

And lower body strength, and emotional control and spatial reasoning. I'd be happy to acknowledge a whole slew of things that women are better at and it won't even have the derisive snide tone that you chose here.

If you want to focus on the fact that men do tend to have greater upper body strength, who has disputed that?

I haven't even argued that here.

Those skills are not necessary and women can use different skills to compensate for them. There's no reason women cannot compete equally with men, unless the men are afraid of it.

Well, no. When arm strength is required there is no compensating for the lack of it. There won't be any innovative ways around arm strength when holding an the iron cross and the rings.

 

[Juin]

Thats up to those organizations that run chess tournaments.

It's up to everyone. Those are organizations open to the public

 

[j brown's body]

well there is a lot of "mating" going on

Did you know there are more Epstein victims than transgender athletes?