Trans Swimmer Crushes Female Opponents, Take Five Medals at Championship Event (1 Viewer)

[quip]

Because ordinary decent people care about fairness. And most men do actually care about women, including female athletes.

Rather, it's low hanging, partisan fruit.

 

[weaver2]

The only way others can know what you are talking about is you articulating your own arguments. If you cannot, fine, but dont just toss around articles; there is no way of knowing they back up your points or not if you chose not to present them.

You asked a question. I answered with articles. Had I simply Igiven you the percentage of people that are trans-sexual (or trans-gendered) you would have scoffed and asked for links.

Just articulate your case. You can cite your articles to back them; not in place of them

I did. You wanted me to back it up with statistics. What is your problem in having the original source available? I believe you are about to be relieved of that problem. Trump has said he was going to shut down information published by the CDC and the NIH for public consumption.

You are still going to have a problem with people like Lisa who has studied and/or can read the research on the relationship between the maternal endocrine system and fetal development. Had you bothered to read the links I gave you would have gotten information that led you to explore other articles and research on the result of hormones on the developing fetus.

 

[weaver2]

Genital anomalies =/= identifying as transgender.

That's correct. However, they are often an outward indication that sexual or gender abnormalities also exist.

 

[Hello My Son]

That's correct. However, they are often an outward indication that sexual or gender abnormalities also exist.

A large percentage of men develop tits with middle age hormone fluctuation. It doesn’t have any impact on their gender identity.

Biological variations of sex/sexual organs and gender identity are two completely separate issues. Associating them without demonstrating any actual biological link is a Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy.

 

[weaver2]

How do you independently verify that? If you are given a cadaver can you identify whether when alive it was psychologically female?

Why don't you look it up. That information is available to you in courses on endocrinology, physiology, organic chemistry, anatomy, embryology etc or in articles on the internet.

 

[weaver2]

A large percentage of men develop tits with middle age hormone fluctuation. It doesn’t have any impact on their gender identity.

Biological variations of sex/sexual organs and gender identity are two completely separate issues. Associating them without demonstrating any actual biological link is a Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy.

If you care to expend the effort there are articles, research, studies on line that address exactly that question.

 

[Juin]

You asked a question. I answered with articles. Had I simply Igiven you the percentage of people that are trans-sexual (or trans-gendered) you would have scoffed and asked for links.

Below are my questions and comments from post #885 in a reply to yours. You did not even address your submissions. You told me to see a post #882 of yours which was not related to my reply to you. I think it could be that you mistook mine for another you were also having a discussion with


Juin said:
Biological facts or psychological facts?
 How is the urogenital system of a gay any different from that of a straight?
It can be a choice as well. Straights, in the absence of females, as in prisons, do turn to each other

I did. You wanted me to back it up with statistics. What is your problem in having the original source available? I believe you are about to be relieved of that problem. Trump has said he was going to shut down information published by the CDC and the NIH for public consumption.

An original source cannot replace your own articulation. A source is to back up your case.

You are still going to have a problem with people like Lisa who has studied and/or can read the research on the relationship between the maternal endocrine system and fetal development. Had you bothered to read the links I gave you would have gotten information that led you to explore other articles and research on the result of hormones on the developing fetus.

Why are you of the impression I am here to have a problem with Lisa? I do not have a problem with you. I only ask that you articulate your case; which undoubtedly you can. Maybe you are correct. Maybe not. No harm no foul.

 

[Juin]

Juin said:
How do you independently verify that? If you are given a cadaver can you identify whether when alive it was psychologically female?

Why don't you look it up. That information is available to you in courses on endocrinology, physiology, organic chemistry, anatomy, embryology etc or in articles on the internet.

Get serious. There is no independent way of identifying a cadaver as having been trans when alive. If you believe there is then tell me how. What is in a cadaver that is uniquely trans?

 

[ashurbanipal]

By this reasoning women's sports are analogous to an organization that excludes black people. That's absurd.

The reasoning in question was another poster’s, not mine. I was pointing out that, if he was going to go with that analogy, it argued against his view rather than for it.

I, however, would not draw that analogy in the first place. The issues in the case of transgender discrimination are quite distinct and complicated in ways all their own. An analogy between them might work, but not the way the other poster was doing.

 

[weaver2]

Juin said:
Biological facts or psychological facts?

Both.

 How is the urogenital system of a gay any different from that of a straight?

It isn't if neither have congenital abnormalities.

It can be a choice as well. Straights, in the absence of females, as in prisons, do turn to each other.

What's going on in prison sex is neither homo or trans sexual or gendered. It is establishing dominance and power.

An original source cannot replace your own articulation. A source is to back up your case.

I cannot teach you endocrinology, embryology, physiology, urology, and psychology.

Why are you of the impression I am here to have a problem with Lisa?

I did not say you did. I said you would have problems with people like Lisa.

I do not have a problem with you. I only ask that you articulate your case; which undoubtedly you can.

I did. You didn't like the answers.

Maybe you are correct. Maybe not. No harm no foul.

You were the one that wanted to talk about trans women in sports. Most people agree that they shouldn't be allowed. Most people pointed out that a club setting of middle aged women recreational swimmers was not of significant importance to the question of trans-women in women's sports to warrant a full discussion. If you want to talk about the biology, endocrinology, anatomy and physiology of embryological development as it relates to sexual and gender behavior you need to come equipped with something more than just a continuous bombardment of snarky questions.

 

[Dans La Lune]

The thread topic isn't me.

It's your bread and butter, though. Every time there's an anti-trans thread, a Josie gets her wings.

 

[donhughesmusic]

A frisbee weighs a few ounces.

It isn’t a feat of strength.

No, but strength is still strength. A stronger person will throw further no matter what the weight of the object is (I'd have thought you learned that in grade school math and physics).

I had a friend who entered national frisbee golf events bqck in college. Watching those events, the guys ALWAYS had better scores on average. Co-ed events were non-existant for a reason, competitive parity amongst males and females.

 

[Josie]

It's your bread and butter, though. Every time there's an anti-trans thread, a Josie gets her wings.

 

[jpn]

You asked a question. I answered with articles. Had I simply Igiven you the percentage of people that are trans-sexual (or trans-gendered) you would have scoffed and asked for links.

I did. You wanted me to back it up with statistics. What is your problem in having the original source available? I believe you are about to be relieved of that problem. Trump has said he was going to shut down information published by the CDC and the NIH for public consumption.

He doesn't want to be "relieved of the problem," any more than Republicans wanted to address border issues while Biden was in the White House.

They love the issue too much.

 

[jpn]

Get serious. There is no independent way of identifying a cadaver as having been trans when alive. If you believe there is then tell me how. What is in a cadaver that is uniquely trans?

Look at Mr. Innocent. Plastering every hint of transexual issues on DP, hyping the issue, keeping it front and center, just like his masters in Moscow have directed him to.

 

[sanman]

Again, this isn't even mainly about gender identity -- it's just about fairness.

Suppose you have a 20-year-old who identifies as a 10-year-old? Should they be able to compete in the same events as 10-years-olds alongside them?

 

[Juin]

Again, this isn't even mainly about gender identity -- it's just about fairness.

Suppose you have a 20-year-old who identifies as a 10-year-old? Should they be able to compete in the same events as 10-years-olds alongside them?

After a requisite hormone adjustment treatment.