Trans Swimmer Crushes Female Opponents, Take Five Medals at Championship Event (1 Viewer)

[noonereal]

Are you trying to suggest that trans females are fake women, despite their gender idnetity, or are you flat out denying gender identity, even your own?

Yes

Their gender identity does not change reality.

 

[Lisa]

Yes

Their gender identity does not change reality.

Their gender identity is reality, despite your opinions. Transfemales have never been male, despite your claims. This is what gender dysphoria causes.

 

[noonereal]

Their gender identity is reality, despite your opinions. Transfemales have never been male, despite your claims. This is what gender dysphoria causes.

I understand all that.
This is why I support them within reason.

Athletics is not based on gender identity but on sex.

 

[Lisa]

I understand all that.
This is why I support them within reason.

Athletics is not based on gender identity but on sex.

Sex is irrelevant when there has been an effective transition. This is even more true when the person is a teen and/or never had a puberty as their physical sex.

 

[noonereal]

Sex is irrelevant when there has been an effective transition

Sorry, gender is irrelevant. Always.

Again, I have zero against trans and support them until their gender identity clashes with reality.

 

[Lisa]

Sorry, gender is irrelevant. Always.

Again, I have zero against trans and support them until their gender identity clashes with reality.

Their gender identity is what makes them transgender, so it is your nonfactual claim of reality that is the problem. . Go stir the pot with someone else. I'm not buying your game.

 

[noonereal]

Their gender identity is what makes them transgender, so it is your nonfactual claim of reality that is the problem. . Go stir the pot with someone else. I'm not buying your game.

Sport is based on the body (sex)
Gender is based on the mind
Sport is based on the body.

No surgery changes a 6 ft 2 in man into a 5ft 6 girl.
You know I am right.

 

[Juin]

Wrong, every wrong. Psychologically they are female, just as you have a male gender identity. You are not male because of your penis.

How do you independently verify that? If you are given a cadaver can you identify whether when alive it was psychologically female?

 

[Juin]

Sex is irrelevant when there has been an effective transition. This is even more true when the person is a teen and/or never had a puberty as their physical sex.

Exactly what is an effective transition? You can reorder the dna?

 

[stealthycat]

having a bad day of reading comprehension. Or have you just cherry picked this one comment
I have already made it very clear, ya'll are crying in your fruit loops about how horrible this is for the women.

true - women are losing when men dominate their sports

Whilst with the other hand removing their rights to body autonomy with the other hand.

you mean not being allowed to kill a living human life ?? there is, and never HAS been a Right to do that. Did you know that ?

This cry-baby bullshit is just that. Cry-baby bullshit, no one believes you all collectively give one solitary **** about this.

and .... going to vulgar to make your points. nice .....

 

[Juin]

Evasive? Evasive is ignoring articles giving you the answers you demanded, changing the question and demanding more answers.

The only way others can know what you are talking about is you articulating your own arguments. If you cannot, fine, but dont just toss around articles; there is no way of knowing they back up your points or not if you chose not to present them

It's a very useful procedure: it keeps the focus on the questions being asked instead of answers that would end the discussion; the focus on demands for answers conceals the initial stupidity of the conservative POV; while at the same time it makes conservatives look like they are discussing a topic. Conservatives don't discuss anything. They demand answers, most of which can be answered by a quick search through Google.

It's like talking to a two year old that's just discovered the world "why".

Just articulate your case. You can cite your articles to back them; not in place of them

 

[Lisa]

How do you independently verify that? If you are given a cadaver can you identify whether when alive it was psychologically female?

A brain autopsy can do that. It can be seen via an MRI of the brain while the person is alive.

The Neuroanatomy of Transgender Identity: Mega-Analytic Findings From the ENIGMA Transgender Persons Working Group - PubMed

Rather than being merely shifted towards either end of the male-female spectrum, transgender persons seem to present with their own unique brain phenotype. Mueller SC, Guillamon A, Zubiaurre-Elorza L, et al. The Neuroanatomy of Transgender Identity: Mega-Analytic Findings From the ENIGMA...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Exactly what is an effective transition? You can reorder the dna?

DNA cannot be changed but the HRT level can be which effects fat levels, endurance, aggressiveness, sports ability, and muscle strength. It even effects height and shoe size.

Sport is based on the body (sex)
Gender is based on the mind
Sport is based on the body.

No surgery changes a 6 ft 2 in man into a 5ft 6 girl.
You know I am right.

And if she is 5-10" which is the 90% of cisgender male?

Is she transitioned as a teen then she would never had a male puberty or the physical advantage that would entail.

 

[noonereal]

you have a male gender identity. You are not male because of your penis

False

 

[noonereal]

Is she transitioned as a teen then she would never had a male puberty or the physical advantage that would entail.

First off, this is about to be made illegal.
Second a puberty blocker is not a growth blocker.

This is just all too ridiculous.
They have a hard row to hoe. I have no clue why they seek to make it more difficult. Trans need to accept that they are trans just as anyone differant must.

 

[Juin]

Competing in sports is not cruelty against cisgender women. Stop with your emotional strawmen.

Its not just about trans. Sports competitions tend to be categorised based on different considerations. Boxing has a range of weight categories. Mike Tyson was a heavy weight. Placing a heavy weight Mike Tyson to compete in bantam weight category, because his brain identifies with bantam category as opposed to his actual heavy weight, would be cruelty to others in the bantam category

Trans females don't claim to be women, Medical science says that they are. This is the basis of psychological gender identity.

More like voodoo science

 

[vanceen]

You seem to be missing the point. An organization that excludes black people is analogous to an organization that excludes people of a certain gender. You got the analogy exactly backwards; your analogy argues against your view, not in favor of it.

By this reasoning women's sports are analogous to an organization that excludes black people. That's absurd.

 

[Josie]

Funny, I never see @Josie is any other threads except these kinds. It's never in threads where DOGE breaking into Social Security and Medicare or where Republicans or enacting a tax on the poor while giving the rich tax breaks. It's always around issues like this, where you can turn a molehill into an exploding volcano. Then she'll be like, 'What? Me? I'm just asking simple questions.'

Your priorates are your values.

The thread topic isn't me.

 

[Lisa]

Its not just about trans. Sports competitions tend to be categorised based on different considerations. Boxing has a range of weight categories. Mike Tyson was a heavy weight. Placing a heavy weight Mike Tyson to compete in bantam weight category, because his brain identifies with bantam category as opposed to his actual heavy weight, would be cruelty to others in the bantam category.

This is a slippery slope fallacy. Nobody can identify as a weight. Try again.

More like voodoo science

Just because you dont understand it doesn't mean its not true. The concept of gender identity has been known and understood for more than 60 years.

 

[Juin]

How do you independently verify that? If you are given a cadaver can you identify whether when alive it was psychologically female?

A brain autopsy can do that. It can be seen via an MRI of the brain while the person is alive.

The Neuroanatomy of Transgender Identity: Mega-Analytic Findings From the ENIGMA Transgender Persons Working Group - PubMed

Rather than being merely shifted towards either end of the male-female spectrum, transgender persons seem to present with their own unique brain phenotype. Mueller SC, Guillamon A, Zubiaurre-Elorza L, et al. The Neuroanatomy of Transgender Identity: Mega-Analytic Findings From the ENIGMA...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

It CANNOT! The question is whether, given an MRI scan from an unknown invidicual, another, from reading the scan, can tell whether the person is trans or not. The resounding answer is NO. Even MRI scans between biological males and biological females have as much as two digits overlap to make them far from reliable.

Your article is more like a fishing expedition. It starts with using as subjects of study individuals who already identify as trans, and then proceeds to study scans for variations from others. That kind of approach lends itself to seeing what you wanna see; or what reinforces one's preconceptions


And your article provides no data or graphical demonstrations so we can see if there are overlaps or not. And critically it does not talk of transgender persons having different scans. It talks of "differed significantly"; which can only be inteperated as presence of overlaps


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Results: Transgender persons differed significantly from cisgender persons with respect to (sub)cortical brain volumes and surface area, but not cortical thickness. Contrasting the 4 groups (TM, TW, CM, and CW), we observed a variety of patterns that not only depended on the direction of gender identity (towards male or towards female) but also on the brain measure as well as the brain region examined.
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[Juin]

This is a slippery slope fallacy. Nobody can identify as a weight. Try again.

Just because you dont understand it doesn't mean its not true. The concept of gender identity has been known and understood for more than 60 years.

LOL let me seeee.... you posit that a male can identify as female but not as a different weight category! A weight difference is nothing compared to the astronomical difference between a male and a female

 

[Juin]

Being trans is not learned, so they cannot possibly be groomed to be transgender.

How do you know that? Whether you are right or wrong is secondary. How do you know that?

 

[Juin]

Genital anomalies =/= identifying as transgender.

Exactly!

 

[Josie]

That is a nice personal attack you have there. I dare you to prove that I enjoy cisgender females getting hurt in a non contact sport.


People are born transgender because of maternal hormone levels during gestation. This has been known for 25+ years. Being trans is not learned, so they cannot possibly be groomed to be transgender.

Can people be coerced to think they're transgender when they aren't?

 

[Juin]

I am glad ya'll are keeping up the good fight for the ladies.
Now do "get your hands outta their uterus" for me.
Except you won't because this is all surface level bullshit grievance. Talk of shallow.
All of this blather is just that. Blather, you simply cannot convince me you care one lick about any of these people as much as you pretend you do.

That admonition should be directed at abortionists. They are the ones waiting at the entrance with scalpels to pounce on the defenseless foetus

 

[Lisa]

How do you know that? Whether you are right or wrong is secondary. How do you know that?

Its due to prenatal hormones, before the 15th week.

In XY animals, it has been shown that environmental endocrine disruptors, through their anti-androgenic activity, induce a female identity. In this work, we described four XY individuals who were exposed in utero to the xenoestrogen diethylstilbesterol (DES) and were part of the French HHORAGES cohort. They all reported a female transgender identity starting from childhood and adolescence. This high prevalence of male to female transgenderism (1.58%) in our cohort of 253 DES sons suggests that exposure to chemicals with xenoestrogen activity during fetal life may affect the male sex identity and behavior.

Early Female Transgender Identity after Prenatal Exposure to Diethylstilbestrol: Report from a French National Diethylstilbestrol (DES) Cohort - PMC

Diagnostic of transsexualism and gender incongruence are terms to describe individuals whose self-identity does not match their sex assignment at birth. A transgender woman is an individual assigned male at birth (AMAB) on the basis of the external ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov