Trans Swimmer Crushes Female Opponents, Take Five Medals at Championship Event (4 Viewers)

[Josie]

Because defending marginalized minorities from right wing attacks is a big deal.

We have all sorts of policies that can be discussed in unlimited amounts of threads but nothing brings out right wingers more than this topic. They run in pretending that they are white knights for women when in reality, it's just to shit on a community so small that it's impossible for them to defend themselves against it.

Are you against private organizations making the decision to not let trans women compete against biological women?

 

[lynnwinslow]

How about public schools?

I like them, how about you?

 

[Jezcoe]

It's everyone going "ape shit" about it. The Dems are fervently defending it while the Reps are fervently condemning it. And guess where most of Americans reside on this topic? It's not with the Dems. So let it go. Or keep hammering on it and keep losing.

There is a difference in saying that a private organization has the right to set its own rules of competition and that there should be a political solution to having private organizations abide by rules set by the government.

All this most recent instance shows me is that in some people’s minds there is no space for trans people to be able to compete because when one is getting upset over an amateur competition that literally no one cared about until yesterday morning

 

[Josie]

I like them, how about you?

Should public schools be allowed to make the decision that trans women cannot compete against biological women?

 

[Jezcoe]

Any apologies for this by the way?

'Algerian boxer Imane Khelif faced a toxic storm of transphobic abuse on social media after her Italian opponent quit 46 seconds into their bout at the 2024 Paris Olympics. Prominent figures, including J.K. Rowling, Elon Musk, and Donald Trump, falsely accused Khelif of being a man or transgender. However, Khelif is a cisgender woman, and there is no publicly available data to suggest she is transgender or intersex.'

That was the high water mark hopefully.

That the trans panic became so furious that they wanted to exclude women from women’s sport.

 

[Jezcoe]

Because you made the case that a private amateur sports organization should be allowed to make up their own rules.
I personally think allowing transgenders to compete with females is stupid too (and unfair).

Here's a solution, why not create a separate transgender category and let trans people compete against themselves??

Or how about this.

They get to do it however they want since it is a private organization.

 

[L88]

This affects literally almost nobody. Why should the general electorate care?

This affects all women in all sports.
Or are you talking about the minute population of Trans?

 

[Ikari]

The larger issues that keep you up at night are due in part to the expected acceptance of such abnormal social things as men competing against women in sports.

lol

No.

 

[L88]

At this point, we have far larger concerns. It would be nice if we lived in a world where trans individuals participating in sports was of top concern.

So if this is the case, why waste time on sports at all?

 

[L88]

competitive difference in the male and female categories and the disadvantages this presents in elite head-to-head competition. This is supported by statistical data that shows that the top-ranked female in 2021, on average, would be ranked 536th across all short course yards (25 yards) male events in the country and 326th across all long course meters (50 meters) male events in the country, among USA Swimming members.

Usa Swimming Releases Athlete Inclusion Competitive Equity And Eligibility Policy

USA Swimming News Article

www.usaswimming.org

 

[Crakhobarbie]

Trans women competing in women’s sports is a winning issue for MAGA because decent, reasonable people who are not bigots, often believe that it is unfair for trans women to compete in women’s sports.

I understand what your saying.
But you completely lose me when you call it a "winning issue".

Now, I think in many instances trans women competing against cis women can be unfair.
But i also have taken the time to research this complex issue, and have found its not as simplistic as it may appear.
Trumps sycophants shoot from the hip.
They push emotion and false bravado over calm reasoned process every time.
This issue needs to be considered case by case.
There is no blanket approach that is reasonable nor fair for all.
We need more calm and inclusive. Less anger and devisive.
Its the only reasonable way to approach this.
If you disagree, you are certainly free to do so.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

Its fine that you want to associate this issue with Trump. Go ahead and just say you dont give a **** about womens issues and womens rights. And frankly, when it comes to womens sports...I dont either. Leftists have shit all over women in their rush to insist that men can be women if they really really really really really really want to be. So...reap the rewards. I truly do believe that because of people like you they should completely eliminate all womens sport programs at all levels, womens scholarship programs, throw them all out. You know...in the name of equality.

Stay angry my friend.
You're useless to the cult otherwise.

 

[j brown's body]

So if this is the case, why waste time on sports at all?

I'd like to see a law passed that funds women's sports equal to men's sports.

 

[j brown's body]

Are you against private organizations making the decision to not let trans women compete against biological women?

Statistics suggest that the closer one is to a transgender playing a sport, the more likely they are to support it.

Thus I would like to see the decisions made at the localist level possible.

And it should not be a hard and fast rule based on ideology, but on a case-by- case basis based on the needs of the kids.

After all sports is a social activity and grandkids can benefit from being included, and team mates might be friend or acquaintances that are empathetic to their challenges.

We emphasis winning and personal achievement too much in sports. Not to mention it's monetization.

 

[Bodi]

That’s no much of an answer.

There are very few trans athletes, at least at the college level, and they should be viewed as individuals with individual circumstances.

Women athletes should not have to compete against men but not all trans athletes are large hulking “men”. I’m confident that a fair means of determining which trans athletes should be allowed to compete and which probably shouldn’t. Someone is bound to be hurt but I see no other option.

There’s way too much hate filled broad brushing happening.

There are divisions in sports. That is just reality. It is done to make things as fair as possible. Should a 20 year-old male be allowed to compete against 10 year-olds? What if the man is really short? What if he is not that coordinated? What if... what if... what if...?

Adult males should not be competing against 10 year-olds.

Males should not be competing against females.

As you have said there are very few trans-athletes. It is not really that big a deal... whereas there are tens of millions of female athletes. That is a big deal.




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[NJBob]

As you have said there are very few trans-athletes. It is not really that big a deal... whereas there are tens of millions of female athletes. That is a big deal.

What exactly is the big deal?

 

[eohrnberger]

competitive difference in the male and female categories and the disadvantages this presents in elite head-to-head competition. This is supported by statistical data that shows that the top-ranked female in 2021, on average, would be ranked 536th across all short course yards (25 yards) male events in the country and 326th across all long course meters (50 meters) male events in the country, among USA Swimming members.

Usa Swimming Releases Athlete Inclusion Competitive Equity And Eligibility Policy

USA Swimming News Article

www.usaswimming.org

In case you haven't noticed, for this issue, science, facts, and statistics all fall before their ideology, for some.

 

[Bodi]

The vast majority of people in Alabama didn’t want black people to ride in the front of the bus a few years ago.

We should really respect their opinion, don’t you think?

Sitting on a bus does not affect anybody, adversely. It is discrimination and not good, but nobody is physically hurt as one might be in a field hockey or soccer game. A male flying in and slide tackling a female, or smoking the field in track can hurt a female... can rob her of a medal and a scholarship... or just the last bench warmer on the basketball team denying her of playing sports altogether.


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[Bodi]

What exactly is the big deal?

A person that has played or understands competitive sports would never ask that question.


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[Desert Storm]

Or how about this.

They get to do it however they want since it is a private organization

Okay, so you have no problem with these decisions then?? Give me a simple yes/no answer please

World swimming bans transgender athletes from women’s events

FINA members voted 71.5% for a new “gender inclusion policy” that permits only swimmers who transitioned before age 12 to compete in women’s events.

www.nbcnews.com

Transgender tennis stars banned from playing in female category by LTA

The LTA has announced that transgender women and non-binary individuals assigned male at birth will be banned from playing in the female category.

www.express.co.uk

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/24/1165795462/transgender-track-and-field-athletes-cant-compete-in-womens-international-events

New Olympic chief wants 'stronger stance' on trans exclusion | Context by TRF

Incoming Olympic president Kirsty Coventry supports banning transgender women from female categories at the Games

www.context.news

Dana White on transgender athletes: I don't want a biological male competing against my daughter

UFC President Dana White has said that he doesn't want transgender women competing against his daughter in... cheerleading. Concerns are usually linked to athletics or combat sport

www.marca.com

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Do you care if trans compete against women or not?

As long as no one is required by law, I really don't care.

 

[j brown's body]

A person that has played or understands competitive sports would never ask that question.

One recalls the famous quote "It doesn't matter if you win or lose, it's how you play the game."

This is an important tenet for youth sports where socialization and individual development should be the focus of sports.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

I suppose, but what if a private amateur sports organization decides to have a whites only competition in which blacks are not allowed to compete.

Would you be ok with that??

Those exist. They are called private golf clubs. They are all over the country.

 

[Threegoofs]

Sitting on a bus does not affect anybody, adversely. It is discrimination and not good, but nobody is physically hurt as one might be in a field hockey or soccer game. A male flying in and slide tackling a female, or smoking the field in track can hurt a female... can rob her of a medal and a scholarship... or just the last bench warmer on the basketball team denying her of playing sports altogether.


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And a swimmer in an amateur masters race?

Yanno- the topic?

 

[Jezcoe]

Okay, so you have no problem with these decisions then?? Give me a simple yes/no answer please

World swimming bans transgender athletes from women’s events

FINA members voted 71.5% for a new “gender inclusion policy” that permits only swimmers who transitioned before age 12 to compete in women’s events.

www.nbcnews.com

Transgender tennis stars banned from playing in female category by LTA

The LTA has announced that transgender women and non-binary individuals assigned male at birth will be banned from playing in the female category.

www.express.co.uk

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/24/1165795462/transgender-track-and-field-athletes-cant-compete-in-womens-international-events

New Olympic chief wants 'stronger stance' on trans exclusion | Context by TRF

Incoming Olympic president Kirsty Coventry supports banning transgender women from female categories at the Games

www.context.news

Dana White on transgender athletes: I don't want a biological male competing against my daughter

UFC President Dana White has said that he doesn't want transgender women competing against his daughter in... cheerleading. Concerns are usually linked to athletics or combat sport

www.marca.com

If a private organization wants to set the rules of competition… it is their prerogative.

My opinion lies as thus.

In kids sports… let trans kids play sports because they are kids.

When it gets to elite sports l, the governing bodies should make the rules that they feel is both the most inclusive and fair. They aren’t going to always get it right so I have no problem with them revising things from time to time.

Amateur sports. Let the organizations do what they want.

Seriously… this whole topic has become quite silly.

There are a perhaps a few dozen trans athletes that compete on any level… I don’t see why we can’t come up with a way to include them.