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Top Ten States In The USA For Gun Owner Rights

Reposting it doesn't make it more true. The 10 most violent crime states do not have any clear correlation with the 10 most liberal gun law states.

In fact Washington DC, the "state" with the highest violent crime rate, has among the most restrictive gun laws in the country. While Vermont with the lowest violent crime rate, has among the most liberal gun laws. The correlation is just not there and wouldn't be even if you posted that link a hundred times.
 
Though the states with the most liberal gun laws, top the list of the states with the most violent crime.
Are you referring to violent crime involving guns only, or in general?
 
And some are made the top. Proving that it is not a lack of gun control laws that matter.

Thank you for demonstrating that point.

Which ones, other than the outlier of New Hampshire?
 
we've added 100 million guns in the USA over the past 8-10 years or more

millions of AR15's and comparable semi-auto rifles

and violence/murder have continued to go down down down




its not the guns , its the people
 

wait ... in 1968 there were only 200 million people in the USA .. today, there are 345 million

you can toss out all suicides - their body, their choice

you're right there was a spike when Biden/Harris got in office - that's all come back down

and we're adding 20 million guns a year - guns are not the problem, they never have been



murders are down bigly in the last year, right ?


Murders down 11.6% in US as crime remains key election issue​




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wait ... in 1968 there were only 200 million people in the USA .. today, there are 345 million

you can toss out all suicides - their body, their choice
You don't get to decide whar gets 'tossed out.'

The argument I responded to -
stealthycat said:
we've added 100 million guns in the USA over the past 8-10 years or more

and violence/murder have continued to go down down down
You were wrong. Seems by you're waffling that you have trouble admitting that.
you're right there was a spike when Biden/Harris got in office - that's all come back down
Had nothing to do with Biden/Harris.
and we're adding 20 million guns a year - guns are not the problem, they never have been
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murders are down bigly in the last year, right ?
Bigly? :D
 
You don't get to decide whar gets 'tossed out.'

The argument I responded to -

You were wrong. Seems by you're waffling that you have trouble admitting that.

Had nothing to do with Biden/Harris.


Bigly? :D

fact remains ... add 200 million guns and per capita murders have went way down

you know it, I know it

explain this - 45 million hunt/sport shoot every year ... we have probably 300 million guns or more and tens of billions of rounds of ammunition and we spend hundreds of millions of hours shooting our guns every year

and we never kill anybody


how can that be if guns are the problem ?
 
journal article that says there fact remains ... add 200 million guns and per capita murders have went way down
Show me a journal article that shows any type of correlation. There is none.
you know it, I know it
What I know you are not privy to. Don't put me in your category of ignorance.
explain this - 45 million hunt/sport shoot every year ... we have probably 300 million guns or more and tens of billions of rounds of ammunition and we spend hundreds of millions of hours shooting our guns every year
and we never kill anybody
how can that be if guns are the problem ?
Explain this -
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fact remains ... add 200 million guns and per capita murders have went way down

you know it, I know it

explain this - 45 million hunt/sport shoot every year ... we have probably 300 million guns or more and tens of billions of rounds of ammunition and we spend hundreds of millions of hours shooting our guns every year

and we never kill anybody


how can that be if guns are the problem ?

It's how you frame it. You first ignore the tens of millions who peacefully exercise their rights through owning and using guns.

You concentrate your arguments on the handful who use guns harmfully. They're way less than a tenth of a percent, but there's a remedy for that.

You shift the focus toward the guns themselves by proving over and over, that someone who uses a gun to harm someone, did in fact use a gun to harm someone. 100% of the time.

So now you've shifted from a negligible percentage, to a large percentage.

Now all you have to do is try to paint all the peaceful people with that brush. After all...they possess and use guns just like murderers.

Just try to avoid actually referring to people using guns. Couch things in infantile terms of guns being like anthropomorphic cartoon characters.

Otherwise, people catch on to the sleight of hand routine.
 
Show me a journal article that shows any type of correlation. There is none.
I didn't say there was a correlation - I'm observing that even with adding 200 million guns murders/violence is going DOWN

Guns have nothing to do with it really


What I know you are not privy to. Don't put me in your category of ignorance.

Explain this -
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but if the guns that are the problem ... 500 out of 45 million isn't much not considering hundreds of millions of hours spent with guns in hour hand and, of course, of the 500 you are referenecing almost none of them were hunting/shooting when they got injured were they? they were small kids, etc playing with guns they had no business touching right ?


so .... can you answer why, if guns are the problem, the 45 million handling guns for hundreds of millions of hours each year are not killing others and themselves ??


its not the guns is it? its the people ... isn't it ?
 
fact remains ... add 200 million guns and per capita murders have went way down


Well that's probably because gun ownership in the USA is a "saturated" market

Add 200m guns to the UK or Japan and the murder rate, particularly the mass shooting rate, would skyrocket
Pass.
 
Well that's probably because gun ownership in the USA is a "saturated" market

Add 200m guns to the UK or Japan and the murder rate, particularly the mass shooting rate, would skyrocket
Pass.

no

unless there are violent/evil people there, adding guns would make zero difference
 
Well that's probably because gun ownership in the USA is a "saturated" market

Add 200m guns to the UK or Japan and the murder rate, particularly the mass shooting rate, would skyrocket
Pass.

Unless you think there is a market for 200 million guns in the UK, that makes no sense at all to speak of "adding 200 million guns".
 
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