Top ten starting pitchers of all time? (1 Viewer)

[Bucky]

I'd like to have a list we could argue, but there are about 25 guys you could make a case, for only ten slots.

So before I make up my mind who are the top 10 of all time, let's just see who people think is the greatest starting pitcher of all time.

To me, in Nolan Ryan hands down, he's not only first in no-hitters, he's first in one-hitters, two-hitters, and three hitters.

I am sorry. Where is Roger Clemens?

 

[nvflash]

I am sorry. Where is Roger Clemens?

Off the list with all the other steroid users.

 

[Bucky]

You are also missing Curt Schilling, Mariano Rivera, and Roy Halladay.

 

[nvflash]

You are also missing Curt Schilling, Mariano Rivera, and Roy Halladay.

Mariano Rivera was a starting pitcher?

Schilling and Halladay didn't win 300 games, not even close.

Still great pitchers but not top 10.

 

[RedAkston]

Any top 10 pitchers list without Koufax or Gibson is a joke.

 

[nvflash]

Any top 10 pitchers list without Koufax or Gibson is a joke.

When did they win their 300th game?

24 guys in the history of the game have won 300 games or more, so narrowing the list down to ten is tough enough without having to include guys just because you think it's a joke.

 

[RedAkston]

When did they win their 300th game?

24 guys in the history of the game have won 300 games or more, so narrowing the list down to ten is tough enough without having to include guys just because you think it's a joke.

Barry Sanders had a record of 74-79 and only scored 99 touchdowns. LaDainian Tomlinson had a record of 99-71 and scored 145 touchdowns. Literally no one has LT ahead of Barry on the list of greatest RB's.

Koufax had a shortened career due to injury, but he was the greatest left handed pitcher in baseball history.

If you're basing the "greatest" solely on wins, you're excluding the talent and skill that some possessed. Let me guess, you and think LeBron is better than MJ as well?

 

[slick]

When did they win their 300th game?

24 guys in the history of the game have won 300 games or more, so narrowing the list down to ten is tough enough without having to include guys just because you think it's a joke.

The above comment along with your previous comments of:

1) No one gets any consideration with me if they did not win 300 games.
2) Ryan is the best pitcher of all time, hands down, and there is no argument.


Is proof that your criteria for evaluating best pitchers of all time is astonishing useless

 

[multivita-man]

Any top 10 pitchers list without Koufax or Gibson is a joke.

Would hafta agree w/ this. Early to mid-1960s Koufax was insanely good, as was Gibby in the latter half of that decade and Carlton in the 1970s.

 

[nvflash]

The above comment along with your previous comments of:

1) No one gets any consideration with me if they did not win 300 games.
2) Ryan is the best pitcher of all time, hands down, and there is no argument.


Is proof that your criteria for evaluating best pitchers of all time is astonishing useless

Koufax was a mediocre pitcher until he was 25.

He played on more year than old hoss, but has half the wins.

 

[slick]

Koufax was a mediocre pitcher until he was 25.

He played on more year than old hoss, but has half the wins.

There in lies your problem an obsession with 300 wins!
Ryan is the best pitcher of all time, hands down, and there is no argument.

1. Nolan Ryan
2. Cy Young
3. Ol' Hoss Radbourn.


When I was 9 years old I had a thirst for baseball stats & was amazed at Radbourne 61 wins. Nowadays it's obvious this and many other stats
were a product of the primitive situations of 19th century baseball such as:

Flat bats (favored for bunting and slapping balls foul) were made legal in the National League in 1885 and the American Association two years later. Seems to me they were playing a game closer to 'Cricket another a bat-and-ball game' than Modern Major League Baseball!

1871- Denotes the beginning of professional league baseball - PITCHING DISTANCE - 45’ to home plate

1881 - The distance from home plate to the front line of the pitcher’s box is increased by 5’ to 50’.

1884 NATIONAL LEAGUE - PITCHING REGULATIONS - Pitchers for the 1st time may now deliver the ball overhand, above the shoulder.

Foul balls didn't count as strikes until 1901 in the National League and 1903 in the American League.
1879: Nine balls were required for the batter to be awarded a walk. (What?). 1880: Eight balls now required for a walk. Imagine if there were announcers in those days saying (“Here's the 7-2 pitch) . ..
1884: Six balls now required for a walk. (Keep going … You’re getting there).
1889: Four balls now required for a walk. (Joy to the world!).

The players of 19th century baseball are Hall of Famers because they were the pioneers of the game, but they were playing a game distinctly different than that of Modern Major League Baseball.

 

[nvflash]

There in lies your problem an obsession with 300 wins!
Ryan is the best pitcher of all time, hands down, and there is no argument.

1. Nolan Ryan
2. Cy Young
3. Ol' Hoss Radbourn.


When I was 9 years old I had a thirst for baseball stats & was amazed at Radbourne 61 wins. Nowadays it's obvious this and many other stats
were a product of the primitive situations of 19th century baseball such as:

Flat bats (favored for bunting and slapping balls foul) were made legal in the National League in 1885 and the American Association two years later. Seems to me they were playing a game closer to 'Cricket another a bat-and-ball game' than Modern Major League Baseball!

1871- Denotes the beginning of professional league baseball - PITCHING DISTANCE - 45’ to home plate

1881 - The distance from home plate to the front line of the pitcher’s box is increased by 5’ to 50’.

1884 NATIONAL LEAGUE - PITCHING REGULATIONS - Pitchers for the 1st time may now deliver the ball overhand, above the shoulder.

Foul balls didn't count as strikes until 1901 in the National League and 1903 in the American League.
1879: Nine balls were required for the batter to be awarded a walk. (What?). 1880: Eight balls now required for a walk. Imagine if there were announcers in those days saying (“Here's the 7-2 pitch) . ..
1884: Six balls now required for a walk. (Keep going … You’re getting there).
1889: Four balls now required for a walk. (Joy to the world!).

The players of 19th century baseball are Hall of Famers because they were the pioneers of the game, but they were playing a game distinctly different than that of Modern Major League Baseball.

They still deserve representation on the list, each era of baseball has it's own unique flavor, but it does not diminish 300 wins, eleswise we would see many many pitchers from that era hitting the mark.

We've moved into the analytics era and we may never see guys hitting 300 wins again, and I think that does diminish the game.

 

[noonereal]

Sandy Koufax has earned a place on the list.

As does Don Drysdale

I vote for these guys.

I still recall looking at the back of Sandy Koufax baseball card as a little kid and being astounded.