Top ten most dangerous states to be an unborn child in

[OKgrannie]

Not every woman "goes through hell" when they are pregnant. :roll:

What, you think a woman maybe just doesn't even notice she's pregnant except that she has to get new clothes? You think giving birth is as easy as unzipping and then it just pops out? Even in the best of cases, it ain't gonna feel good.

 

[Josie]

Not every woman is willing to go through the hell of the rest of the pregnancy and childbirth.

Yes, which is why I say abortion is mostly a selfish decision. They'd rather kill a child.

If every abortion was stopped and approximately one million more babies were born in this country every year, the adoption market would be saturated in about a year and half. Then what?

Not every child will be put up for adoption. Most will stay with their parent or parents, I would assume.

 

[xpiher]

Not every child will be put up for adoption. Most will stay with their parent or parents, I would assume.

And what kind of live will that child have if their parents are dug addicts, destitute, or other?

 

[Josie]

What, you think a woman maybe just doesn't even notice she's pregnant except that she has to get new clothes? You think giving birth is as easy as unzipping and then it just pops out? Even in the best of cases, it ain't gonna feel good.

I suppose if you think of your child as a parasite sucking the life out of you instead of a beautiful bundle of joy, then I guess it would be "going through hell".

 

[Josie]

And what kind of live will that child have if their parents are dug addicts, destitute, or other?

A really crappy childhood, I bet. What is it you're trying to say?

 

[xpiher]

A really crappy childhood, I bet. What is it you're trying to say?

That people aren't attacking what causes abortion, just the ability.

 

[Josie]

That people aren't attacking what causes abortion, just the ability.

What would you like me (and other pro-lifers) to say?

 

[xpiher]

What would you like me (and other pro-lifers) to say?

I'd like your lot to support/promote social welfare programs for these kids and parents if you are going to increase the economic hardship society as whole.

 

[RadicalModerate]

What would you like me (and other pro-lifers) to say?

Say, "I'm personally opposed to abortion, but I understand that I cannot push my morality on others. So, in deference to the law of the land, I will not stand in your way of ending a pregnancy if you legitimately cannot take care of a child or are in danger of adverse health affects."

 

[OKgrannie]

Yes, which is why I say abortion is mostly a selfish decision. They'd rather kill a child.

Having a child is a selfish decision. Abortion can be selfish or unselfish, and it's none of our business why the woman wants it.

Not every child will be put up for adoption. Most will stay with their parent or parents, I would assume.

Why would you assume that a woman who would prefer to abort would keep her baby? Doesn't a child deserve parents who want him/her?

 

[OKgrannie]

I suppose if you think of your child as a parasite sucking the life out of you instead of a beautiful bundle of joy, then I guess it would be "going through hell".

If pregnancy/childbirth is physically hell for a woman, and it frequently is, no amount of thinking of a "beautiful bundle of joy" is gonna change that. That "beautiful bundle of joy" crap is a romanticized bunch of nonsense too. No matter how much you love your children there's just a whole lot more to it than that.

 

[digsbe]

Try telling that to a kid thats beaten every day of their young life, who wish they were never born in the first place.

How about, instead of attacking the ability to get an abortion, people of your lot actually attacks the cause of abortion. That would be too hard though and too expensive. Amirite?

If the child is beaten then the abusive mother should be sent to jail for child abuse.

It's a logical fallacy to say that unwanted children will suffer abuse and are better off dead. I do attack the cause of abortion. I think adults need to be more sexually responsible and be willing to own up to the fact that sexual reproduction can sometimes lead to reproduction. The contraceptive choice ends at sex, once conception occurs your choice involves another human life and that human life should not be killed at the whim of anyone.

 

[xpiher]

I do attack the cause of abortion. I think adults need to be more sexually responsible and be willing to own up to the fact that sexual reproduction can sometimes lead to reproduction. The contraceptive choice ends at sex, once conception occurs your choice involves another human life and that human life should not be killed at the whim of anyone.

thats not attacking the problem. The main reason abortion happens is economical.

 

[digsbe]

thats not attacking the problem. The main reason abortion happens is economical.

You mean not being able to afford the child or afford contraception? Regardless, money shouldn't be a factor in allowing the killing of an unborn life. We have numerous programs like WIC and financial aid to help needy mothers pay and care for their children. If anything else they can be placed for adoption.

 

[xpiher]

You mean not being able to afford the child or afford contraception? Regardless, money shouldn't be a factor in allowing the killing of an unborn life. We have numerous programs like WIC and financial aid to help needy mothers pay and care for their children. If anything else they can be placed for adoption.

You really need to research how hard it actually is to find an adoptive family and how few resources we give to poor people. For instance, my friend is a single parent (father) who had to rely on his mother for child care. She bailed on him once, he called into work because he couldn't find anyone to take care of his kid for the day. He was fired for it. This happens all the time.

 

[Kal'Stang]

You mean not being able to afford the child or afford contraception? Regardless, money shouldn't be a factor in allowing the killing of an unborn life. We have numerous programs like WIC and financial aid to help needy mothers pay and care for their children. If anything else they can be placed for adoption.

I've got to ask about the bold part this question...

For how long will we have those? There are numerous people wanting to get rid of such (read "any") welfare programs.

 

[SheWolf]

Abortion Rate by state. Definition, graph and map.

And it's probably going to go up in Indiana because they cut birth control funding...

 

[digsbe]

You really need to research how hard it actually is to find an adoptive family and how few resources we give to poor people. For instance, my friend is a single parent (father) who had to rely on his mother for child care. She bailed on him once, he called into work because he couldn't find anyone to take care of his kid for the day. He was fired for it. This happens all the time.

So would you approve of him killing his child to cut costs? Does the father who loves his son look at his child and think "you should have been aborted."? Poverty isn't a justified reason to kill people.

I've got to ask about the bold part this question...

For how long will we have those? There are numerous people wanting to get rid of such (read "any") welfare programs.

I don't oppose getting rid of these programs. I support programs to help pregnant and needy women.

 

[xpiher]

So would you approve of him killing his child to cut costs? Does the father who loves his son look at his child and think "you should have been aborted."? Poverty isn't a justified reason to kill people.

Are you purposefully ignoring my point? I'm saying if you are against abortion, you should be for programs that attack the cause of it rather then going after the legality of abortion. If you don't then abortion will still happen, and you add cost to society for punishing it and not helping to take care of these situations.

Abortion can be full eliminated by attacking the root cause which is poverty. If poverty didn't exist (or wasn't as bad as it is) the only other justifiable reason for abortion would be rape and life of the mother.

I don't oppose getting rid of these programs. I support programs to help pregnant and needy women.

And once the child is no longer an infant **** em right?

 

[digsbe]

Are you purposefully ignoring my point? I'm saying if you are against abortion, you should be for programs that attack the cause of it rather then going after the legality of abortion. If you don't then abortion will still happen, and you add cost to society for punishing it and not helping to take care of these situations.

Abortion can be full eliminated by attacking the root cause which is poverty. If poverty didn't exist (or wasn't as bad as it is) the only other justifiable reason for abortion would be rape and life of the mother.

I have stated in this thread that I support programs to help pregnant women and needy mothers. Regardless, many abortions are preformed as a means of contraception. A woman may not feel ready for a child, so she simply kills it at her whim. I believe that the only exception for abortion would be to save the life of the mother. Although that argument is for another thread.

And once the child is no longer an infant **** em right?

No, welfare can continue on past infancy... I don't see how this is relevant or addresses my argument that money does not justify taking another person's life. Again, do you think the needy father in your example has ever looked at his child and thought that he should have had his child aborted because he can't afford him? We wouldn't look at the children we love and think that, an unborn child shouldn't be any different.

 

[xpiher]

I have stated in this thread that I support programs to help pregnant women and needy mothers. Regardless, many abortions are preformed as a means of contraception. A woman may not feel ready for a child, so she simply kills it at her whim.

Then you are one of the few pro-lifers who actually realizes the problem

 

[digsbe]

Then you are one of the few pro-lifers who actually realizes the problem

We should definitely help pregnant women financially and with dignity when they are in need. I don't think we would let anyone starve to death in our country, nor should we allow an infant/unborn child to not receive what it needs both financially and physically.

 

[xpiher]

We should definitely help pregnant women financially and with dignity when they are in need. I don't think we would let anyone starve to death in our country, nor should we allow an infant/unborn child to not receive what it needs both financially and physically.

But thats exactly what some repubs are doing: denying abortion, funding for contraceptive/education (outside abstinence), getting rid of all welfare programs, not supporting new ones (child care for instance) etc.

 

[digsbe]

But thats exactly what some repubs are doing: denying abortion, funding for contraceptive/education (outside abstinence), getting rid of all welfare programs, not supporting new ones (child care for instance) etc.

That doesn't mean that all pro-life people want this. I would disagree with Republicans on reducing funding for contraceptives or crisis pregnancy care. It also doesn't mean that Republicans can't oppose abortion because the belief is that cost does not justify killing another person.

 

[Renae]

And it's probably going to go up in Indiana because they cut birth control funding...

Because, as we all know people are incapable of restraint or BC without Government to save them.