Top Shiite cleric balks at plan for Iraq (Edited)

[Hatuey]

5 soldiers killed by Iraqi insurgents - Yahoo! News

Yes it's definetly the anti-war sentiment here at home thats killing men 10,000 miles away.

R.I.P. boys.

 

[saggyjones]

Re: 5 soldiers killed by Iraqi insurgents

What you don't understand is that if they weren't there, more Americans would die. :rofl

Hopefully we can get the troops out of harms way soon.

 

[Cold Dirt]

Re: 5 soldiers killed by Iraqi insurgents

5 soldiers killed by Iraqi insurgents - Yahoo! News

Yes it's definetly the anti-war sentiment here at home thats killing men 10,000 miles away.

R.I.P. boys.

Its people like you that don't care, don't understand, wont, by god, ever consider doing it yourself nor even know what really is going on in Iraq because you have never stepped one foot in country telling us that it not the anti war crowd helping killing our troops in Iraq.......yup keep that head buried to your neck in ****.........when you embolden the enemy with hope that's half the battle.....but someone like you that has never done anything to deserve your rights as an American, nor would you ever pick up an weapon to fight for them, so just keep bumping around in that dream fantasy world of yours. There is no boogyman and mommy will always be there to turn on the light for you.........:gunsmilie

 

[Billo_Really]

Re: 5 soldiers killed by Iraqi insurgents

U.S. Iraq rhetoric is shallow, naive and childish
By Dr. Assaad al-Khafaji Azzaman, July 17, 2006

U.S. rhetoric in Iraq is of an experimental pattern full of shallowness, naivety and indifference. the U.S. invaded Iraqi in April 2003 and since then it has been leading the country following the demise of former president Saddam Hussein’s regime. U.S. President George W. Bush, who started the invasion with big promises of turning the Middle East into an oasis of democracy with Iraq as an example to follow, now realizes how his dreams have shattered on the rock of reality.

Nonetheless, many think that the current U.S. administration and its leader are reluctant to learn from their grave errors in Iraq and have apparently preserved their ‘stay the course’ rhetoric and policies despite the tragedies unfolding in front of their eyes. Bush and his aides have been chewing the same rhetorical devices despite the fact that their troops and their massive fire power have failed to subdue one main thoroughfare in Baghdad.

The rhetoric the U.S. uses mirrors its polices and actions, which have all proved, in the Iraqi situation in particular and the Middle East in general, to be short-sighted and counterproductive. Time has come for the U.S. and the current administration that has created the Iraqi quagmire to acknowledge its failure in administering Iraqi conditions in the aftermath of the 2003 invasion.

These conditions are stoking anti-U.S. hatred and anger not only among the majority of the Iraqi people but across the Middle East and the Muslim world.

The list of areas where U.S. policies in Iraq have gone wrong is long. In fact it is hard for an observer to identify a single field where the U.S. has left any positive marks. This is the reason why Iraqis today abhor U.S. rhetoric of democracy, human rights and economic prosperity. .S. Marines who saw themselves as liberators have turned in the course of the past three and a half years into imperialists and enemies. They have come to Iraq not spread freedom but protect themselves in their formidable bases and gigantic tanks.

Iraqis see them worse than enemies. The Marines see Iraqis as evil. Once the Marines arrive in a city, town or village, they consider the inhabitants their adversaries. Many Iraqis have lost trust in the U.S. and its troops because they have come to believe that they are here to destroy and not build the country. Iraqis now see with their naked eyes what has become of their country due to U.S. invasion. Several cities have been leveled under the pretext of fighting off terror which was nonexistent in Iraq.

Public services are in shambles and Iraqis, sitting on massive oil reserves, cannot find a cylinder of liquefied gas to do their cooking. As for human rights the U.S. record in Iraq is miserable. The sectarian killings, kidnappings and forced evacuations are but a few results of the democracy it says it has created in Iraq. Despite these calamities U.S. President and his aides are adamant not to change their rhetoric and polices.

Azzaman in English

If you want to know what's going on in Iraq, you ask an Iraqi.

 

[Cold Dirt]

Re: 5 soldiers killed by Iraqi insurgents

If you want to know what's going on in Iraq, you ask an Iraqi.

Sure you would believe someone that believes that US troops are murdering scum....but again you are a liberal and hate anyone that would step down so low as join the military......

Now back to reality.........

 

[Hatuey]

Re: 5 soldiers killed by Iraqi insurgents

Its people like you that don't care,

Please believe I do.

don't understand, wont, by god, ever consider doing it yourself nor even know what really is going on in Iraq

Doing it myself? Why would I fight in a war that I dont agree with?

because you have never stepped one foot in country telling us that it not the anti war crowd helping killing our troops in Iraq

Cold Dirt have you stepped one foot in Iraq?

.......yup keep that head buried to your neck in ****.........

You mean sand right?

when you embolden the enemy with hope that's half the battle

Yes I'm sure terrorists come to this forum and wait for me to type up so they can feel better about their day.

.....but someone like you that has never done anything to deserve your rights as an American

LOL. I've simply sat down and enjoyed them like so many others.

, nor would you ever pick up an weapon to fight for them

Yes because my rights were being hurt by people 10,000 miles away who I've never met. Please live in reality.

, so just keep bumping around in that dream fantasy world of yours.

You mean the one where Iraq is a disaster? thats not a dream my friend. Thats called the cold reality. One that that the majority of Americans share.

There is no boogyman and mommy will always be there to turn on the light for you.........:gunsmilie

See I understand there is a boogieman. The sad part is he's not in Iraq. He's in hiding in the himalayans. guess what his initials are? OBL. Dead or Alive right? Now please. Before you go off on another rant. Realize that the setbacks experienced in Iraq have greatly outweighed the progress and that to live off the scraps thrown at you by FOX news is great. But at the of the day. Iraq is still a mess. Republicans are asking the democrats for a plan on a war they started. And Bush has no hopes of ever reparing or even lessen the damaga he's done.

 

[saggyjones]

Re: 5 soldiers killed by Iraqi insurgents

I can't put it any better than Hatuey, but I'll try.

Its people like you that don't care,

If I didn't care why would I want the troops home?

don't understand,

I do understand or I wouldn't be talking about it.

wont, by god, ever consider doing it yourself

I wouldn't do anything by God. Like Hatuey said why would I fight in a war I don't believe in?

nor even know what really is going on in Iraq because you have never stepped one foot in country

Have you?

telling us that it not the anti war crowd helping killing our troops in Iraq.......

Are you saying the anti war crowd isn't helping killing our troops? Your wording is a little confusing. If that's not what you were saying, I don't see how people who want the troops to come home are helping to kill them. Can you help me with the connection.

yup keep that head buried to your neck in ****.........

Strong words. :rofl

when you embolden the enemy with hope that's half the battle.....

How is protesting the war giving them hope? And what are they hoping for, besides for us to leave the country?

but someone like you that has never done anything to deserve your rights as an American,

Except work and pay taxes. Is everyone who isn't in the military a right-stealer like me?

nor would you ever pick up an weapon to fight for them,

How is fighting a war in Iraq protecting my freedom of speech, religion, etc.?

so just keep bumping around in that dream fantasy world of yours.

Reality?

There is no boogyman and mommy will always be there to turn on the light for you.........:gunsmilie

I'm glad I have a mother who cares for me.

 

[FreeThinker]

Re: 5 soldiers killed by Iraqi insurgents

Top Shiite cleric balks at plan for Iraq - Yahoo! News
Top Shiite cleric balks at plan for Iraq

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[Hatuey]

Re: 5 soldiers killed by Iraqi insurgents

Top Shiite cleric balks at plan for Iraq - Yahoo! News
Top Shiite cleric balks at plan for Iraq

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By shunning the coalition plan, al-Sistani sought to unite the Shiite's fractured 130-member United Iraqi Alliance. But his decision — which carries great weight with the country's Shiite majority — significantly weakens American hopes for a national unity government and strengthens the hand of the radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.

Great progress.

Now the 275-member Iraqi parliament is in virtual paralysis

Even more progress...

Without progress toward political reconciliation in Iraq, some observers say, the security situation in the country is likely to remain grim

Ah yes...We're definately going forward.

 

[FreeThinker]

Re: 5 soldiers killed by Iraqi insurgents

your topic title and the article don't go together.

 

[Tashah]

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[CurrentAffairs]

Re: 5 soldiers killed by Iraqi insurgents

your topic title and the article don't go together.

Sometimes an article is close to having the same radical extremist views as Hatuey. When it doesn't, he just rewrites the headline.

 

[Hatuey]

Re: 5 soldiers killed by Iraqi insurgents

Sometimes an article is close to having the same radical extremist views as Hatuey. When it doesn't, he just rewrites the headline.

BS someone changed the link I posted

This is the one I posted originally :


5 soldiers killed by Iraqi insurgents - Yahoo! News


Apparently the page gets changed every day and the other info goes into an archive.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Cold Dirt:
Sure you would believe someone that believes that US troops are murdering scum....

I'll do the "believing" when it comes to me. If you want to know, just ask and I will tell you. But if you want to make up ridiculous bullshit, be my guest. It is more of a reflection on you, than something that is actually about me.

BTW, this is what you are calling scum...

Originally posted by Cold Dirt:
but again you are a liberal and hate anyone that would step down so low as join the military......

Is that why I have more pictures like these...

...uploaded in my gallery, than any other poster here?

Originally posted by Cold Dirt:
Now back to reality.........

I couldn't explain what "reality" is to you without breaking DP rules. So you will have to find it for yourself.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by FreeThinker:
your topic title and the article don't go together.

BFD!

Now why don't you address the point of the article instead of drawing attention away from the substance of the discussion.

 

[Rhapsody1447]

BTW, this is what you are calling scum...

I think what he meant was that liberals think our troops are "murdering scum" not that they were MURDERING scum.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Re: 5 soldiers killed by Iraqi insurgents

Apparently the page gets changed every day and the other info goes into an archive.

I love seeing a liberal do the backstroke! :lol:

 

[Hatuey]

Re: 5 soldiers killed by Iraqi insurgents

:roll:

I love seeing a liberal do the backstroke! :lol:

Must be why I posted the new link

5 soldiers killed by Iraqi insurgents - Yahoo! News

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Re: 5 soldiers killed by Iraqi insurgents

Must be why I posted the new link

I would too, after receiving a warning. :lol: