Top DOJ Official Defends New Memorandum on Targeting Parents

[BlueTex]

Don't know where to find it but if someone makes serious public threats against anyone then they certainly can be charged.

But the police seem to be attending these PTA meetings just to intimidate anyone who is their to protest what's happening to their children and, in fact, the entire failing education system.

PTA meetings are not the same as a school board meeting... You are inadvertently acknowledging you have never participated in either..

 

[dncc]

The schools boards aren't doing their jobs first of all. Teachers' Union don't decide curriculums, parents do. Parents are tired of the non-teaching that's going on too. They're tired of the social programming that has overridden every other purpose of schooling. They're pulling their kids out of schools that they pay taxes to because of the offensive curriculums being foisted upon their children. This has gone on for decades unabated, and Covid (if nothing else) finally exposed what these school boards have been doing.

Parents decide the curriculum?

 

[BlueTex]

The 1st Amendment protects free speech unless it unambiguously calls for the use of force that the speaker clearly intends, under circumstances in which the liklihood of violence is real and imminent. Even "threats of violence" are not actionable unless they hit that threshhold.
Moreover, the federal law governing incitement requires that the speaker has called for "Physical force against property or against the person of another in violation of the laws of the United States."

What this means is that even if threatening to beat up a school official might not be a violation of state law.
It also means that its not the concern of the feds.

Progressives have a nasty habit of politicizing law enforcement. They need to stop,

You poor dear.. Did you forget the federal statutes specifically designed to deal with this kind of shit... No worries the DOJ hasn't.. How was graduation at Trump University Law School.. Did they celebrate with a giant platter of quarter pounders with cheese? Did you get the large order of fries?

 

[dncc]

LOL... Steve Bannon, is that you? Why couldn't you get more voters to the polls in November?

Its almost as if the voters from the right wing have taken their love of professional wrestling and want to incorporate the over-the-top behavior to every other walk of life they experience. Inside of five years; peas will either be a right wing or left wing vegetable....watch.

 

[MaryP]

Its also wrong to go to the home of Justice Kavanaugh of take videos of Sen Synema in the bathroom.
Are these things terrorism? No. Does it require the feds to open up investigations? No.

Politicized law enforcement is not the way to go.

Does this sound like threats to you?

Roughly 50 pro-choice demonstrators marched to Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh’s house last night to speak out against the court’s decision not to block Texas’ 6-week abortion ban and demand Kavanaugh resign. Led by protest group ShutDown DC, the protesters marched a half mile from Chevy Chase park to Kavanaugh’s house in the neighborhood, arriving around 7 PM and leaving around 8 PM.

Nearly a dozen police officers were stationed around Kavanaugh’s property, and many neighbors came out into the street or sat on their porches to take in the scene. The neighborhood was mostly supportive of the protesters, with one man even raising his glass of red wine in salute as the marchers passed through.

Group speakers talked about their personal abortion stories and the history of reproductive rights in the United States, and led chants like “My body, my voice,” and “When abortion rights are under attack, what do we do? Stand up fight back.” The event was peaceful, and there were no altercations or arrests at the scene.
https://www.washingtonian.com/2021/...esters-demonstrate-at-brett-kavanaughs-house/

 

[dncc]

You poor dear.. Did you forget the federal statutes specifically designed to deal with this kind of shit... No worries the DOJ hasn't.. How was graduation at Trump University Law School.. Did they celebrate with a giant platter of quarter pounders with cheese? Did you get the large order of fries?

you're on fire tonight.

 

[dncc]

Does this sound like threats to you?

Roughly 50 pro-choice demonstrators marched to Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh’s house last night to speak out against the court’s decision not to block Texas’ 6-week abortion ban and demand Kavanaugh resign. Led by protest group ShutDown DC, the protesters marched a half mile from Chevy Chase park to Kavanaugh’s house in the neighborhood, arriving around 7 PM and leaving around 8 PM.

Nearly a dozen police officers were stationed around Kavanaugh’s property, and many neighbors came out into the street or sat on their porches to take in the scene. The neighborhood was mostly supportive of the protesters, with one man even raising his glass of red wine in salute as the marchers passed through.

Group speakers talked about their personal abortion stories and the history of reproductive rights in the United States, and led chants like “My body, my voice,” and “When abortion rights are under attack, what do we do? Stand up fight back.” The event was peaceful, and there were no altercations or arrests at the scene.
https://www.washingtonian.com/2021/...esters-demonstrate-at-brett-kavanaughs-house/

Just as a sidebar....

Senator Sasse had a great point about this during, ironically, Kav's hearing; if people are protesting the Supreme Court...that means the legislative branch isn't doing it's job.

 

[Athanasius68]

Does this sound like threats to you?

Roughly 50 pro-choice demonstrators marched to Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh’s house last night to speak out against the court’s decision not to block Texas’ 6-week abortion ban and demand Kavanaugh resign. Led by protest group ShutDown DC, the protesters marched a half mile from Chevy Chase park to Kavanaugh’s house in the neighborhood, arriving around 7 PM and leaving around 8 PM.

Nearly a dozen police officers were stationed around Kavanaugh’s property, and many neighbors came out into the street or sat on their porches to take in the scene. The neighborhood was mostly supportive of the protesters, with one man even raising his glass of red wine in salute as the marchers passed through.

Group speakers talked about their personal abortion stories and the history of reproductive rights in the United States, and led chants like “My body, my voice,” and “When abortion rights are under attack, what do we do? Stand up fight back.” The event was peaceful, and there were no altercations or arrests at the scene.
https://www.washingtonian.com/2021/...esters-demonstrate-at-brett-kavanaughs-house/

no it doesn't sound like threats at all.
but neither is saying 'we know where you live.'
but the doj is proposing the fbi investigate the latter and not the former.
politicized law enforcement has no place in this country.

 

[MaryP]

Just as a sidebar....

Senator Sasse had a great point about this during, ironically, Kav's hearing; if people are protesting the Supreme Court...that means the legislative branch isn't doing it's job.

I have no idea what that means, but I wish he'd have something to say about these lunatics. Is anyone from the Republican party telling these people to behave?

 

[Athanasius68]

You poor dear.. Did you forget the federal statutes specifically designed to deal with this kind of shit... No worries the DOJ hasn't.. How was graduation at Trump University Law School.. Did they celebrate with a giant platter of quarter pounders with cheese? Did you get the large order of fries?

There are no statutes against protesting elected officials.
Sorry.

 

[MaryP]

no it doesn't sound like threats at all.
but neither is saying 'we know where you live.'
but the doj is proposing the fbi investigate the latter and not the former.
politicized law enforcement has no place in this country.

What concerns me is your lack of concern for threats made. The NSBA didn't request help from DOJ because one guy said 'we know where you live' (although he saId more than that and the implication was clear). There have been death threats made in states all over the country, and assaults on school staff, plus escalating threats of more. I'm not sure why the fact that these crimes are based on political disagreements makes such a big difference to you.

 

[BlueTex]

There are no statutes against protesting elected officials.
Sorry.

There ARE statutes for intimidating.. They were enacted to deal with the KKK and similar groups like this... Suck it up... the heat is coming...

 

[MaryP]

There ARE statutes for intimidating.. They were enacted to deal with the KKK and similar groups like this... Suck it up... the heat is coming...

I hope so!

 

[Athanasius68]

What concerns me is your lack of concern for threats made. The NSBA didn't request help from DOJ because one guy said 'we know where you live' (although he saId more than that and the implication was clear). There have been death threats made in states all over the country, and assaults on school staff, plus escalating threats of more. I'm not sure why the fact that these crimes are based on political disagreements makes such a big difference to you.

Becasue the law allows people to disagree and be spirited about it.
Moreover, the law also limits where the feds are involved-- the FBI has no business dealing with whatever is going on at schoolboards. The states are supposed to deal with that.
Politicized law enforcement is simply not acceptable.

 

[Athanasius68]

There ARE statutes for intimidating.. They were enacted to deal with the KKK and similar groups like this... Suck it up... the heat is coming...

LOL-- there was more 'intimidation" occurring with the events of sen synema.
Politicized law enforcement is not acceptable.

 

[dncc]

I have no idea what that means, but I wish he'd have something to say about these lunatics. Is anyone from the Republican party telling these people to behave?

Sasse (R-NE) said that during the Kav hearings in his opening commentary:

Here is the text I was referencing:

"Number one: In our system, the legislative branch is supposed to be the center of our politics.

Number two: it's not. Why not? Because for the last century, and increasing by the decade right now, more and more legislative authority is delegated to the executive branch every year. Both parties do it. The legislature is impotent. The legislature is weak. And most people here want their jobs more than they really want to do legislative work. And so they punt most of the work to the next branch.

The third consequence is that this transfer of power means that people yearn for a place where politics can actually be done. And when we don't do a lot of big actual political debating here, we transfer it to the Supreme Court. And that's why the Supreme Court is increasingly a substitute political battleground. It is not healthy, but it is what happens and it's something our founders wouldn't be able to make any sense of.

And fourth and finally: we badly need to restore the proper duties and the balance of power from our constitutional system. "

I'm a pretty liberal guy (some say Democrat but I don't care much for the Party)...but this makes vivid undisputed sense to me.

 

[BlueTex]

I hope so!

If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same

18 U.S. Code § 241 - Conspiracy against rights

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[BlueTex]

LOL-- there was more 'intimidation" occurring with the events of sen synema.
Politicized law enforcement is not acceptable.

If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen....

 

[BlueTex]

Becasue the law allows people to disagree and be spirited about it.
Moreover, the law also limits where the feds are involved-- the FBI has no business dealing with whatever is going on at schoolboards. The states are supposed to deal with that.
Politicized law enforcement is simply not acceptable.

If only the law was as simple as Trump supporter thought.. Less would be facing federal charges..

 

[Anthony60]

Then run for the school board during the next election. You guys are trying to justify violence as ok because it's for something you support.

How much violence is there that it is so overwhelming the local authority and they need to call in the feds?

 

[Athanasius68]

If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same

18 U.S. Code § 241 - Conspiracy against rights

www.law.cornell.edu

Talk about a Trump Law school grad!
There is no "right" to be an elected official.

 

[Anthony60]

They also know that there is a nationwide organization staging and promoting these types of activities...

What??? a Nation wide organization? OMG! Get the FBI on this!

 

[Athanasius68]

If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen....

A concept which can be applied to these elected school board members

 

[Anthony60]

There is a wrong way and there is a right way to express one's thoughts or concerns about their children's education and/or school environment. Evidently you are no longer able to distinguish the difference. Color me surprised.

I'll color you ignorant, how about that? The federal government has absolutely ZERO business in this. It is shameful, and dangerous that they are inserting themselves here and trying to intimidate people into being silent. And if you don't recognize this, you are an absolute fool.

 

[eohrnberger]

I'll just leave this here...

Did they report these death threat to the police? Did the police say they were not going to investigate? Sorry , but none of their story rings true. They are pissed that parents are questioning their decisions. Put on you big girl.boy panties and listen to the parents.

Oh Taylor, oh Rawley. You just don't understand.
When angry, threatening rhetoric is for a liberal cause, all is well and as it should be.
The 'news' (political propaganda) media downplay it (to the point of it being a mostly peaceful riot fires).

But when anyone else does anything 1/2 as bad, the (political propaganda) media at Democrat command plays it up like the sky is falling, and the FBI needs to immediately come in arrest and persecute those Domestic Terrorists.