Too much hatered against Muslims

[Absentglare]

What patent lies.

as if the ignorance wasn't already enough.

State your case then.

 

[matchlight]

Whatever blows your kilt, friend, whatever turns you on.

Make no mistake--whoever you may be, you are not my friend. The only thing I want from people with your views is ten paces in the street. Metaphorically speaking, of course.

 

[matchlight]

Tell me where i said that i do not support American culture.

I feel it is you who do not support American culture. We are a nation of immigrants who believe in freedom and equal opportunity. That means don't oppress Muslims, clear enough for you ?

What you feel does not interest me, nor do your homilies about immigrants and supposed oppression. And I will treat any Muslim any way I G--damned well see fit.

 

[Absentglare]

Spend 15 minutes here and you'll know why Islam is hated. IMO not nearly enough.

Islam: The Politically Incorrect Truth

Muslims believe that doing good deeds like donating to charity will bring rewards in the afterlife. They believe that everything is predetermined, but that each individual still has free will to discern right from wrong. Ritual prayer is extremely important to Muslims.

The Quran explicitly condones some form of domestic violence, where a man may hit his wife as a last resort, but it is quizzically not supposed to cause pain. Many contest this interpretation.

On to Jihad, it's really just open to interpretation. Some say it represents an inner struggle, some say it represents a military obligation to seek religious purity. Most Muslims interpret Jihad as only a defensive response reserved for a particular religious authority.

On to US law, it's pretty clear that freedom to worship how you choose is a right with explicit protection. There are caveats, for example, you can't simply hurt other people as part of your worship.

So even if someone believes that all of us, non-believers, should be rounded up and killed, i would protect their right to believe that but not their right to act on it.

 

[Absentglare]

Make no mistake--whoever you may be, you are not my friend. The only thing I want from people with your views is ten paces in the street. Metaphorically speaking, of course.

What ?!??!?!?

What you feel does not interest me, nor do your homilies about immigrants and supposed oppression. And I will treat any Muslim any way I G--damned well see fit.

If my views are so sorely offensive your faint heart, you are free to leave this forum. I do not intend to specifically censor my views for your sake.

You're free to go on your own Jihad against the non-believers- the severity of the irony might even burst a vein in my head.

 

[blaxshep]

So even if someone believes that all of us, non-believers, should be rounded up and killed, i would protect their right to believe that but not their right to act on it.

When you have people with virtually no critical thinking skills and a "God" that tells them to kill, its only a matter of time.

 

[Ray410]

It became obvious that the media is doing everything to make us believe that all he Muslims are enemies and that there are absolutely no normal human beings in the Middle East. Except of the American and NATO soldiers of course.
I know how the info wars work, I know that the editors don't have the chances to tell the truth. But in the same time there are about 4 million Muslims living in the USA. We assert ourselves to be the most tolerant nation ever. But we live in hatred to people with a bit more sun tan and another name of God. Is it fair?
BTW if you google a "Muslim enemies pics" the majority of results will be the photos of Obama

In this country, we don't use the American flag for a headscarf Winston. That is the flag of our once great nation. Additionally, what right does she have to declare "I am America?" What has she done that makes her "America?"

Only one question needs to be asked; "Are Muslims killing Americans?"

 

[Absentglare]

In this country, we don't use the American flag for a headscarf Winston. That is the flag of our once great nation. Additionally, what right does she have to declare "I am America?" What has she done that makes her "America?"

I wonder- would you complain about white women wearing red white and blue bikinis on July 4th weekend at the beach ?

What right do you have to question her patriotism, what have you done ?

 

[blaxshep]

In this country, we don't use the American flag for a headscarf Winston. That is the flag of our once great nation. Additionally, what right does she have to declare "I am America?" What has she done that makes her "America?"

She could have been born here.

 

[Absentglare]

When you have people with virtually no critical thinking skills and a "God" that tells them to kill, its only a matter of time.

Okayy but their God doesn't explicitly tell them to kill; and, by the numbers, we should be holding religious violence against Christianity long before we hold it against Islam.

If we got rid of Islam, there would be some other religion championed by this minority of lunatics that justifies their violence. The problem isn't the religion. It's the people who use blind, unwavering faith to bring harm to one another. They don't need a religion to do that, you can oppress people because of their ethnicity or even their political views.

I draw a distinction between a religion, which i consider an internal struggle, and fundamentalists who seek to force conformity across all of society. Mormons, for example, try to spread their beliefs, but do not force those beliefs through fear, intimidation, or violence.

 

[matchlight]

you are free to leave this forum. I do not intend to specifically censor my views for your sake.

I like it here. And not being a pouty, intolerant leftist, I don't try to tell other posters what they can say. You are free to state any views you choose, as far as I am concerned.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

What you feel does not interest me, nor do your homilies about immigrants and supposed oppression. And I will treat any Muslim any way I G--damned well see fit.

And conservatives wonder why they've lost the non-WASP/Mormon vote....

 

[Glen Contrarian]

I like it here. And not being a pouty, intolerant leftist, I don't try to tell other posters what they can say. You are free to state any views you choose, as far as I am concerned.

Speaking of intolerance, who was it that said, "And I will treat any Muslim any way I G--damned well see fit."?

Oh, wait - that was YOU!

 

[blaxshep]

Okayy but their God doesn't explicitly tell them to kill; and, by the numbers, we should be holding religious violence against Christianity long before we hold it against Islam.

If we got rid of Islam, there would be some other religion championed by this minority of lunatics that justifies their violence. The problem isn't the religion. It's the people who use blind, unwavering faith to bring harm to one another. They don't need a religion to do that, you can oppress people because of their ethnicity or even their political views.

I draw a distinction between a religion, which i consider an internal struggle, and fundamentalists who seek to force conformity across all of society. Mormons, for example, try to spread their beliefs, but do not force those beliefs through fear, intimidation, or violence.

Well this debate is about religion and yes "God" does tell Muslims and Christians and in fact Jews to kill.

 

[blaxshep]

Speaking of intolerance, who was it that said, "And I will treat any Muslim any way I G--damned well see fit."?

Oh, wait - that was YOU!

Trying to decide if I can tolerate people and still shoot them .... :think:

 

[matchlight]

In this country, we don't use the American flag for a headscarf Winston. That is the flag of our once great nation. Additionally, what right does she have to declare "I am America?" What has she done that makes her "America?"

Only one question needs to be asked; "Are Muslims killing Americans?"

O, why do you blaspheme against the hijab? It is so like unbelievers to say such arrogant things, which fill our hearts with rage! O America, in the name of the Prophet, peace be upon him, your wickedness, and the foul deeds of the Zionist entity who is your dog, are even now being answered with righteous deeds by the soldiers of Allah! The time is near, as it has truly been written, when the entire ummah of the faithful will rise as one, God willing, and smite the necks of all those who offend almighty Allah!

 

[matchlight]

Speaking of intolerance, who was it that said, "And I will treat any Muslim any way I G--damned well see fit."?

Oh, wait - that was YOU!

I have no plans to mistreat any Muslim. But no one is going to tell me how I must treat them.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

I have no plans to mistreat any Muslim. But no one is going to tell me how I must treat them.

Isn't that a quote from "Uncle Tom's Cabin"?

 

[Absentglare]

Well this debate is about religion and yes "God" does tell Muslims and Christians and in fact Jews to kill.

I'd certainly contest that claim. All of the religious texts are so lengthy and storied that they contradict themselves to varying degree. In order to maintain a coherent worldview that includes one of these major religions, one must interpret the text. It cannot be taken in a pure, literal form.

I believe that the majority of religious adherents do not have any plans or aspirations to kill one another on solely religious merits in this country.

Therefore, i do believe in continuing to enforce religious freedom within our borders. You are (generally) not responsible for your beliefs, but you may be held responsible for your actions.

Again, the interpretation that one must kill all non-believers is the problem, not the religion being perverted. I would not be surprised if this violent fundamentalist extremism was, indeed, a mental disorder.

I like it here. And not being a pouty, intolerant leftist, I don't try to tell other posters what they can say. You are free to state any views you choose, as far as I am concerned.

I can't even pretend to care how well my views entertain you-

What you feel does not interest me...

If it bothers you to read, you're free to leave. You're certainly free to whine to your hearts content, but i'm not planning to sugar coat reality for your sake.

 

[blaxshep]

I'd certainly contest that claim. All of the religious texts are so lengthy and storied that they contradict themselves to varying degree. In order to maintain a coherent worldview that includes one of these major religions, one must interpret the text. It cannot be taken in a pure, literal form.

I believe that the majority of religious adherents do not have any plans or aspirations to kill one another on solely religious merits in this country.

Therefore, i do believe in continuing to enforce religious freedom within our borders. You are (generally) not responsible for your beliefs, but you may be held responsible for your actions.

Again, the interpretation that one must kill all non-believers is the problem, not the religion being perverted. I would not be surprised if this violent fundamentalist extremism was, indeed, a mental disorder.



I can't even pretend to care how well my views entertain you-



If it bothers you to read, you're free to leave. You're certainly free to whine to your hearts content, but i'm not planning to sugar coat reality for your sake.

Thou shall not suffer a witch to live.

 

[dogfishparisi]

It isn't the mainstream media- just Fox and their cohorts who blanket all Muslims as evil.

 

[JFish123]

Thou shall not suffer a witch to live.

Much like all atheist dictators did. Stalin, Mao, etc etc...