Too late to opt-out: Supreme Court ultimately can't save the religious right's futile book bans (1 Viewer)

[Phys251]

The author makes a good point about the irony of it all.

"...due to the internet, kids inevitably find adult materials on their own. Having an education in sexuality, sexual identity, and human diversity before they see that stuff — so they can distinguish fact from fantasy — is the only true way to protect children. Books like "Pride Puppy" prevent the premature sexualization of kids, by answering questions about queer identity in age-appropriate ways. If adults don't answer children's curiosity, kids go looking on their own. Left to their own devices and a search engine, children find materials they're not mature enough to handle."

Parents who are objecting to these books are contributing to "the premature sexualization" of kids by depriving them of seeing LBGTQ individuals in a more realized way.

Needs to be repeated for all the social conservatives. Especially this part:

"If adults don't answer children's curiosity, kids go looking on their own."

 

[CLAX1911]

Needs to be repeated for all the social conservatives. Especially this part:

"If adults don't answer children's curiosity, kids go looking on their own."

So if somebody published a book on how to machine assemble and fire an AR-15 it should be available in the school library?

 

[Lisa]

So if somebody published a book on how to machine assemble and fire an AR-15 it should be available in the school library?

What does manufacturing semi-auto firearms have to do with sex education?

 

[Bodi]

So if somebody published a book on how to machine assemble and fire an AR-15 it should be available in the school library?

What does manufacturing semi-auto firearms have to do with sex education?

Pretty obviously it is an analogy as to what constitutes appropriate reading material...


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[CLAX1911]

What does manufacturing semi-auto firearms have to do with sex education?

I was talking about a book. Would you want such a book banned from public schools.

Quit desperately trying to change the subject it's pathetic.

 

[Lisa]

I was talking about a book. Would you want such a book banned from public schools.

Quit desperately trying to change the subject it's pathetic.

I knew it was about a book.

What dies a book about manufacturing firearms have to do with being in a grade school library? Its not a relevant subject, that sex education is.

 

[Real blank]

The L G and B are about sexual preferences why are people so determined to have kids read about these? What is there to say ?

 

[Fearandloathing]

"Can you treat someone with "love, kindness, and respect" while simultaneously insisting their identity is so poisonous that it cannot be acknowledged?

The right's lawyer argued that censoring these books wasn't about disrespecting queer people, but protecting "children's innocence." It's a nonsense argument, however, as it assumes there's a "respectful" way to erase people. But it was also quite silly, as if hiding these books would shield children from the knowledge that LGBTQ identities exist. (An unspoken corrollary is the false view they can prevent children from growing up queer.) The case illustrates the animating futility at the heart of the MAGA movement: they will never manifest their dream of a past "great" America, when "queer" wasn't a thing. Such a period never existed, but especially not in an era when queer people are visible in pop culture, the internet, and the general community. The government can force teachers not to say "gay" in school, but kids are going to hear about it everywhere else.

During arguments, Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson made this point most clearly, asking the plaintiffs' lawyers how far this parental right to "opt out" should go. She asked if a gay teacher would be allowed to have a wedding photo on her desk? Or if a student group put up "love is love" posters in the hallway? Or if a trans teacher insisted that the students use their preferred name and pronouns? On this last point, the conservative lawyer insisted the teacher has no right to tell students how to address them. This answer gave the game away. It's standard practice for teachers to dictate how students address them: First name or last name? Miss or Mrs? Only trans people, in this lawyer's determination, don't deserve this basic respect from students.

...The irony here is that, due to the internet, kids inevitably find adult materials on their own. Having an education in sexuality, sexual identity, and human diversity before they see that stuff — so they can distinguish fact from fantasy — is the only true way to protect children. Books like "Pride Puppy" prevent the premature sexualization of kids, by answering questions about queer identity in age-appropriate ways. If adults don't answer children's curiosity, kids go looking on their own. Left to their own devices and a search engine, children find materials they're not mature enough to handle."

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Children aren't stupid. They see LGBTQ people in the world. They know they exist, or will know. It's damaging to them to deprive them of the opportunity to see them as fully realized human beings.

I saw a Florida license plate today.

They're a long way from home. Vancouver isn't usually on the places to go list Florida. Perhaps they were escaping the combination of Trump and Disneyland

The license plate says "In god we trust"


Disgusting! Get you superstitions out of my face! I'm surprise they allowed that car into the country! Marrying government regulation with mythology.....that's asking for trouble. NO ONE asked for God. And many are offended. Keep god where it belongs....in the strip bars and whorehouses!!!

 

[Fearandloathing]

Simple thinking is never a good way to describe human behavior or the human mind. Humans are higher animals and our brains are extremely complex. There are few "black and white" statements you can make about them. Those that do are not qualified.

Bold -

Blanket statement?

 

[CLAX1911]

I knew it was about a book.

So then why did you moan about sex education?

What dies a book about manufacturing firearms have to do with being in a grade school library?

I was asking should it be there or should it be removed?

Its not a relevant subject, that sex education is.

I'm not talking about the subject of sex education the threat is not about the subject of sex education and about what books can be permitted in the library.

So anyway you're all for Banning books just if they say things you don't agree with.

 

[Lisa]

So then why did you moan about sex education?

I was asking should it be there or should it be removed?

I'm not talking about the subject of sex education the threat is not about the subject of sex education and about what books can be permitted in the library.

So anyway you're all for Banning books just if they say things you don't agree with.

Private manufacturing of semi-auto firearms is forbidden by the ATF so that book has no place in any school library.

Does an individual need a license to make a firearm for personal use? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

No, a license is not required to make a firearm solely for personal use. However, a license is required to manufacture firearms for sale or distribution. The law prohibits a person from assembling a non–sporting semiautomatic rifle or shotgun from 10 or more imported parts, as well as firearms...

www.atf.gov

Sex education is a matter of public school curriculum, starting at the age of puberty.

 

[CLAX1911]

Private manufacturing of semi-auto firearms is forbidden by the ATF so that book has no place in any school library.

No it isn't

Does an individual need a license to make a firearm for personal use? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

No, a license is not required to make a firearm solely for personal use. However, a license is required to manufacture firearms for sale or distribution. The law prohibits a person from assembling a non–sporting semiautomatic rifle or shotgun from 10 or more imported parts, as well as firearms...

www.atf.gov

This says you need a license. If you need a license and can get one it most certainly is not forbidden.

Sex education is a matter of public school curriculum, starting at the age of puberty.

We're not talking about sex education we're talking about presence of books in libraries I'm not taking this bait Lisa you've tried to lure me away with it multiple times.

This is because you are the book banner.

 

[j brown's body]

The L G and B are about sexual preferences why are people so determined to have kids read about these? What is there to say ?

That they're human. They have lives that extend beyond sexuality.

Ironically, the parents objecting to them are focusing on the sexuality, in essence, doing the very sexualization they criticize the books for doing.

The books are showing them to be real people, like anybody else. The parents don't like this.

One cringes at the thought of what the kids are being taught about this at home.

 

[j brown's body]

No I still contend that removal from the library is not Banning.

Removed by law, thus banned.

 

[j brown's body]

Simple thinking is never a good way to describe human behavior or the human mind. Humans are higher animals and our brains are extremely complex. There are few "black and white" statements you can make about them. Those that do are not qualified.

The right-wing is very big on catagorizing people in heirarchies and doling out privileges accordingly.

 

[CLAX1911]

Removed by law, thus banned.

So if someone brings the book to school because their parents bought it for me it's going to be confiscated?

If not then it's not banned

 

[CLAX1911]

That they're human. They have lives that extend beyond sexuality.

And if some kids are they'll find out.

Ironically, the parents objecting to them are focusing on the sexuality, in essence, doing the very sexualization they criticize the books for doing.

Because they don't want their kids reading about how to hook up with adults on Grindr?

The books are showing them to be real people, like anybody else. The parents don't like this.

If that's all they were doing it wouldn't be objectionable. You didn't read them you don't know what's in them.

One cringes at the thought of what the kids are being taught about this at home.

Taught what? What's in these books do you even know? No you don't because you didn't read them and you don't know. You just assumed it's hatred because you can't come up with anything.

Your opinion on this is very poorly informed.