I'm sorry but I don't see here death as inevitable. She bought the NRA kool-aid and is dead for it. I'm sure she actually believed that her gun could never hurt her only make her safer. That is what the NRA is selling..peace of mind. It doesn't include any of the "ugly" side of gun ownership and neither do gun dealers. Like that fact that your own gun is 10 times more likely to kill you or a loved one than a bad guy. If she had known the risks she would probably be alive today...a lot of people would. Guns are not for everyone, and selling them like appliances is criminal negligence.
As a matter of fact it appears that this lady was violating Idaho law. She was carrying a loaded concealed weapon.
Learn more here: In Idaho gun tragedy, does it matter that mother took precautions? - CSMonitor.com
Nothing that this lady did stopped this from happening.
Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart
This is just a horribly tragic story and the reason it's so tragic is because it was so preventable.
I'm the VP of the local chapter of an organization that provides professional education for those in my career field. Every month our board meets to discuss the topics that we'll be covering in our seminars and inevitably we have a lot of interest in new topics and exciting topics and flashy topics. Hey, those topics put asses in the seats and that's part of our job. But there is another part of our job and that's to make sure that those who are member of our organization or attend our events are performing at the highest professional standards they can and in order to achieve that standard we also need to constantly reinforce the basics.
I'm a tax and accounting guy. I can run through your financial data faster than you can run a comb through your hair and can not only spot an anomaly from a mile away but can usually tell you why it's out of whack half an hour before I hit my billing minimum. That being said, I'm also human and when I get too used to doing the same thing the same way all the time that's when I get dangerous. I suspect that's what happened in Hayden and why some 2 year old no longer has a mommy.
Folks, if you're going to carry a firearm then you need to pay attention to the basics. It's how you protect others and yourself from tragedy caused by complacency. I'd like to use this thread to clarify and discuss the basics of daily carry and I'd like to hear, primarily, from those who do carry every day. I'd also like those who don't carry to ask questions so that we can address your concerns.
For starters, when you carry you need to be in control of your weapon. That means you don't hand it to someone else or leave it on the toilet tank. You don't just dump it into your purse or your pocket. You keep that weapon in such a manner that you KNOW it's safe, secure and under your immediate control. The specifics of how you do that are often dependent on exactly what kind of weapon you're carrying but one of the basics is your holster. USE ONE!!
Simply stuffing a pistol in your waistband or purse might look cool in the movies but it's stupid. Even a decent level I holster will provide more security than your waistband. As a minimum it should be enough to cover the trigger guard so that nothing can get stuck in there accidentally. It should also be made for the firearm you're using it with so that everything fits and stays secure.
One other thing, once your weapon is in its holster and under your control DON'T **** WITH IT! There is no need to play pocket pool with your pistol. The pistol doesn't care and isn't going to feel neglected. Leave it alone unless you absolutely need to use it. If you have to take it off for some reason (entering an area where firearms are prohibited, for example) then take it off pistol and holster together. This is a good reason for those who carry IWB to use clip on holsters.
This is just one suggestion. Please feel free to add more.
From your linked article:As a matter of fact it appears that this lady was violating Idaho law. She was carrying a loaded concealed weapon.
Learn more here: In Idaho gun tragedy, does it matter that mother took precautions? - CSMonitor.com
Nothing that this lady did stopped this from happening.
Veronica’s father-in-law, Terry Rutledge, told The Washington Post that he took issue with the immediate reaction by some to blame Rutledge.
After reviewing video of the shooting, police quickly established that it was an accident. But despite the precautions, somehow the toddler managed to extricate the gun and fire a chambered round. It’s against the law in Idaho to carry a loaded concealed gun.
As a matter of fact it appears that this lady was violating Idaho law. She was carrying a loaded concealed weapon.
Learn more here: In Idaho gun tragedy, does it matter that mother took precautions? - CSMonitor.com
Nothing that this lady did stopped this from happening.
They said that about the little boy who accidentally shot his classmate over in Bremerton. I dont know if they lied intentionally or not (media). They said he dropped the backpack with the semi-auto in it on the desk and it went off. That's a lie, it has to be. I dont know if they were just ignorant or were trying to protect the boy. I saw the gun on the news....modern semi-auto. It didnt go off accidentally when dropped. He has his hand in that backpack, fiddling with the gun.
I read the article and that cannot be right. I'd have to go look at ID carry laws. But there's no point in carrying an unloaded weapon and ID is a gun-friendly state.
There are purses with built in holsters. Regardless of how it was secured in her purse, part of being a responsible gun owner is positive control of your weapon at all times. The purse (with a gun in it) should not have been accessible to the child. Period.
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It appears to me that she didn't learn what she really needed to know from that class.
If we had a time machine we could run her through that class again.
She was not violating the state laws - the article is wrong.
Carrying an unloaded concealed weapon is stupid and pointless.
Gun & Weapon Laws - Idaho.gov
Gun & Weapon Laws - Idaho.govCONCEALED WEAPONS
Idaho law requires a license to carry a concealed weapon. Concealed weapon licenses can be obtained from your County Sheriff for $20, and is valid for five years. Renewal is $15.
You may carry a firearm in your vehicle inside the city limits or confines of a city, as long as it is in plain view, loaded or unloaded. But if you are going to conceal it, the firearm must be disassembled or unloaded.
You may carry a firearm in your vehicle inside the city limits or confines of a city, as long as it is in plain view, loaded or unloaded. But if you are going to conceal it, the firearm must be disassembled or unloaded.
Leaving a loaded gun in a purse with a toddler in a shopping cart unattended is not an unforeseeable eventuality. It was careless.Except that's simply not a reality. if its accessible to her.. its accessible to others. Its the nature of the beast in concealed carry. If you can get to it.. so can others.
Its unreasonable to hold a person responsible for seeing and preventing EVERY eventuality. Period.
As a matter of fact it appears that this lady was violating Idaho law. She was carrying a loaded concealed weapon.
Learn more here: In Idaho gun tragedy, does it matter that mother took precautions? - CSMonitor.com
Nothing that this lady did stopped this from happening.
(7) Except in the person's place of abode or fixed place of business, or on property in which the person has any ownership or leasehold interest, a person shall not carry a concealed weapon without a license to carry a concealed weapon. For the purposes of this section, a concealed weapon means any dirk, dirk knife, bowie knife, dagger, pistol, revolver or any other deadly or dangerous weapon.
Rutledge, who lived in Blackfoot, was a high school valedictorian who had gone on to become a chemist at Idaho National Lab. At the same time, she and her husband had extensive shooting experience, and were both licensed – and trained – to carry concealed weapons.
That depends upon the caliber and strength of the recoil spring.
A toddler would be more capable of flipping off a safety as opposed to chambering a round.
My son could rack the slide on a 5" .45 1911 when he was 8 years old, and a 9mm XD when he was 5.
Lack of access is the only safe way with kids and guns.
I would politely suggest a manner other than off-body (purse) carry.
Please be very careful.
She was not violating the state laws - the article is wrong.
Carrying an unloaded concealed weapon is stupid and pointless.
Gun & Weapon Laws - Idaho.gov
How did you get that from this?
Jump to conclusions much?
Or run a red light. I drive truck for a living, you'd be amazed just how many people you can see texting while driving when you can look down at them
Guns don't kill people-2 year old boys with guns kill people,eh?
Now we just need to pass a law making it illegal for 2 year old children to handle guns.
"should not" is a nice thought, but not that long ago a gun was dropped in a movie theater and went off.
There were 35,000 automotive deaths last year, with 93% being attributed to driver error.
There is no great push for driver education in the US in spite of this.
There are alternative costs with every right or freedom that we have, and everything that we do.
Some folks educate themselves about risks, some do not, some do not care, and some just get lazy.
This was not about an adult having a preventable accident. It was about an adult who left a loaded weapon where a toddler could get it.
DO you need to have a big push in drivers ed to tell you NOT to allow your toddler to be in reach of the steering wheel?
Most gun owners are very responsible. This gun owner was not. Why is that so difficult to understand. If she had not been killed and the toddler shot an innocent bystander...she would be facing criminal and civil charges.
This was not about an adult having a preventable accident. It was about an adult who left a loaded weapon where a toddler could get it.
DO you need to have a big push in drivers ed to tell you NOT to allow your toddler to be in reach of the steering wheel?
Most gun owners are very responsible. This gun owner was not. Why is that so difficult to understand. If she had not been killed and the toddler shot an innocent bystander...she would be facing criminal and civil charges.
Oh right because men can't put guns into backpacks or anything :roll: Please take your sexism somewhere else.
If you're going to carry a gun then it should remain within your 'intimate space' (from your skin and out to about an inch), not your 'personal space' (approximately your arm-span around your body), or 'social space' (from the end of your arm's reach out to about 6ft, the approximate distance you would typically stand from someone when having a normal conversation). Purse holsters encourage the owner to leave the gun unattended.
I'm not around any kids.
But I didnt realize that she had 3 other kids with her....not all toddlers so she really did need to have control over her purse at all times.
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