Today's Shooting Report... -Peace

[RF667799]

Speak for yourself.

Bye Rich.

 

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So you admit that an unloaded gun, in a gun safe, is of little or no use ?

I need more context to answer that.

Are you talking about it being of no use during the specific moments in time that it remains within the safe?

Or are you suggesting that there is no possibility of retrieving it from the safe and loading it?

In any case, that's why you carry a handgun on your person, in a holster.

 

[Rich2018]

Bye Rich.

Auf wiedersehen, pet.

 

[Rich2018]

I need more context to answer that.

Are you talking about it being of no use during the specific moments in time that it remains within the safe?

Or are you suggesting that there is no possibility of retrieving it from the safe and loading it?

In any case, that's why you carry a handgun on your person, in a holster.

I'm talking about keeping your gun, unloaded and in a safe, while you sleep.

 

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I'm talking about keeping your gun, unloaded and in a safe, while you sleep.

Are you talking about it being of no use during the specific moments in time that it remains within the safe as people sleep?

Or are you suggesting that there is no possibility of retrieving it from the safe and loading it when people wake up?

 

[Rich2018]

Are you talking about it being of no use during the specific moments in time that it remains within the safe as people sleep?

Or are you suggesting that there is no possibility of retrieving it from the safe and loading it when people wake up?

I can't spell it out any clearer
I'm talking about keeping your gun, unloaded and in a safe, while you sleep. What part of this don't you understand ?

 

[Fledermaus]

I can't spell it out any clearer
I'm talking about keeping your gun, unloaded and in a safe, while you sleep. What part of this don't you understand ?

What about it?

 

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I can't spell it out any clearer
I'm talking about keeping your gun, unloaded and in a safe, while you sleep. What part of this don't you understand ?

I'll assume that you mean option two.

So the answer to your question is: No. I do not admit that a gun in a safe is of no use.

 

[Rich2018]

I'll assume that you mean option two.

How many options are there ?

So the answer to your question is: No. I do not admit that a gun in a safe is of no use.

Some people say that carrying a gun, with no round in the chamber, is akin to taking a loaded gun to a gunfight
What might they say if that gun is actually unloaded and in a locked safe ?

 

[JMB1911A1]

How many options are there ?



Some people say that carrying a gun, with no round in the chamber, is akin to taking a loaded gun to a gunfight
What might they say if that gun is actually unloaded and in a locked safe ?

That is way the home defense gun is in Condition 1. Loaded, round chambered. In a quick access safe. Easy peasy.

 

[Rich2018]

That is way the home defense gun is in Condition 1. Loaded, round chambered. In a quick access safe. Easy peasy.

And not completely unloaded and locked in a safe.

 

[JMB1911A1]

And not completely unloaded and locked in a safe.

Well, it is locked in a safe. To prevent little hands from accessing.

 

[Rich2018]

Well, it is locked in a safe. To prevent little hands from accessing.

And the gun owner's, so undermining any excuse that a gun is needed for home defense.

 

[JMB1911A1]

And the gun owner's, so undermining any excuse that a gun is needed for home defense.

You missed the part where it is a ready access safe. I can open the safe with te combo in <10 sec (electronic lock). The read acces safe can be opened in <2 seconds.

Do home invaders in Norcross magically teleport into bedrooms?

 

[Rich2018]

You missed the part where it is a ready access safe. I can open the safe with te combo in <10 sec (electronic lock). The read acces safe can be opened in <2 seconds.

Do home invaders in Norcross magically teleport into bedrooms?

Some people say that carrying a gun without it being cocked and a round in the chamber, is a waste of time

Do you agree with that ?

If so, if actually carrying a gun in that condition is a waste of time, how do you think those people would react to not only a gun not being cocked with no round in the chamber, but completely unloaded, and in a gun safe ?

 

[JMB1911A1]

Some people say that carrying a gun without it being cocked and a round in the chamber, is a waste of time

Do you agree with that ?

If so, if actually carrying a gun in that condition is a waste of time, how do you think those people would react to not only a gun not being cocked with no round in the chamber, but completely unloaded, and in a gun safe ?

Personally, I am not in favor of carrying in Condition 2 (magazine in, empty chamber). But that is a personal choice and it doesn't affect me.

I am not trying to tell people how to live.

And you missed the part where I said the gun was loaded in Condition 1 in the safe.

 

[Rich2018]

Personally, I am not in favor of carrying in Condition 2 (magazine in, empty chamber). But that is a personal choice and it doesn't affect me.

I am not trying to tell people how to live.

And you missed the part where I said the gun was loaded in Condition 1 in the safe.

OK, but a gun in condition 1, in a gun safe, still takes more time to fire than a gun in a holster in condition 2, right ?

 

[JMB1911A1]

OK, but a gun in condition 1, in a gun safe, still takes more time to fire than a gun in a holster in condition 2, right ?

Depends on the safe.

Condition 1, ready safe. Lets say 2 sec.
Condition 2, holstered and concealed. 2 sec to draw, maybe a sec to rack assuming both hands free. Call it 3 sec.

There is no hard and fast guideline. Every circumstance is different and up to the individual.

That is the real argument here. Gun control advocates want to remove individual choice. Gun rights advocates don't demand your carry. We are for increased choice.

 

[Rich2018]

Depends on the safe.

Condition 1, ready safe. Lets say 2 sec.
Condition 2, holstered and concealed. 2 sec to draw, maybe a sec to rack assuming both hands free. Call it 3 sec.

There is no hard and fast guideline. Every circumstance is different and up to the individual.

That is the real argument here. Gun control advocates want to remove individual choice. Gun rights advocates don't demand your carry. We are for increased choice.

Nevertheless, I've seen gun instructors say that carrying with a round in the chamber is akin to carrying an unloaded weapon and not only is a waste of time, but that it can potentially get you killed

What then, might they say about a gun, in a locked gun safe, in any condition ?

 

[JMB1911A1]

Nevertheless, I've seen gun instructors say that carrying with a round in the chamber is akin to carrying an unloaded weapon and not only is a waste of time, but that it can potentially get you killed

What then, might they say about a gun, in a locked gun safe, in any condition ?

I presume you meant “without” a round in a chamber.

Instructor opinions are like assholes. They all have one and most of them stink.

Great thing about America. We have choice.

 

[Rich2018]

I presume you meant “without” a round in a chamber.

Yes.

Instructor opinions are like assholes. They all have one and most of them stink.

So we can't trust gun instructors, but we can trust the opinion of some guy off the internet.

Great thing about America. We have choice.

No-one disputes that you have a choice
It's the advisability of your choice that's open to doubt.

 

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How many options are there ?

Two that I know of.

Some people say that carrying a gun, with no round in the chamber, is akin to taking an unloaded gun to a gunfight
What might they say if that gun is actually unloaded and in a locked safe ?

I suppose they would advise loading it before you head to a gunfight.

And the gun owner's, so undermining any excuse that a gun is needed for home defense.

That is incorrect. Gun owners are capable of retrieving their gun from a safe.

Some people say that carrying a gun without it being cocked and a round in the chamber, is a waste of time
Do you agree with that ?

No.

Much depends on the gun. Much of that thinking came about before striker-fired guns were common. Glocks are kind of permanently halfway between conditions one and two.

But even with an old fashioned double-action/single-action semi-auto, conditions two and three were valid choices.

Granted, if someone wanted to say that they think that condition one is the way to go, their choice was valid too.

If so, if actually carrying a gun in that condition is a waste of time, how do you think those people would react to not only a gun not being cocked with no round in the chamber, but completely unloaded, and in a gun safe ?

They would advise loading the gun when retrieving it from the safe.

 

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Only in America.

 

[Rich2018]

Two that I know of.

Not four ?

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Maybe you just don't know much about guns ?

I suppose they would advise loading it before you head to a gunfight.

While you kindly ask your assailant to wait.

Gun owners are capable of retrieving their gun from a safe.

The safe isn't much use if they can't.

Much depends on the gun. Much of that thinking came about before striker-fired guns were common. Glocks are kind of permanently halfway between conditions one and two.

But even with an old fashioned double-action/single-action semi-auto, conditions two and three were valid choices.

Did you not say you were only aware of two conditions ?

Granted, if someone wanted to say that they think that condition one is the way to go, their choice was valid too.

But you disagree that carrying a gun un-cocked, and with no round in the chamber, is akin to taking an unloaded gun to a gunfight ?
Because it seems to me that's what many firearms classes teach.

They would advise loading the gun when retrieving it from the safe.

Citation ?

 

[Caiman]

My guns still have not harmed anyone that is not a tin can or paper target!