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ataraxia said:
Why then would any Christian vote for a leader who is the embodiment of the seven deadly sins?
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Because Jesus wasn't running for president and we still have to live in the real world?

You make the best choice you can.
 
Girlpower said:
Because Jesus wasn't running for president and we still have to live in the real world?

You make the best choice you can.
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So for MAGA, being a real Christian is not about Jesus’ teachings in the real world. Jesus was saying all that stuff maybe just to pass the time. In the real world, Christians should really be just one more shameless, deceitful, greedy, violently aggressive gang fighting others.

That explains it all. Thank you.
 
markdc said:
IMO, this kind of binary thinking has gotten us to where we are today.
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I've received similar criticism, that by not voting for Harris I've somehow "helped Trump" (the worst of all sins.)

The dullards never stop to consider the fact that my state's electoral voters were never in doubt.
 
ataraxia said:
So for MAGA, being a real Christian is not about Jesus’ teachings in the real world. Jesus was saying all that stuff maybe just to pass the time. In the real world, Christians should really be just one more shameless, deceitful, greedy, violently aggressive gang fighting others.

That explains it all. Thank you.
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The presidency affects our lives in the real world and we still have to make a decision even if the options are not perfect don't we.

I still need a car mechanic at times but I don't vet him to see his religious views.

I simply need my car fixed.
 
NatMorton said:
I've received similar criticism, that by not voting for Harris I've somehow "helped Trump" (the worst of all sins.)

The dullards never stop to consider the fact that my state's electoral voters were never in doubt.
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If you live in a Blue or Red state, then I’m surprised you catch flak. The people that give me shit about this always stipulate that they wouldn’t do this to someone who didn’t live in a swing state like I do.

Mark
 
NatMorton said:
There are small-minded people who support everything Trump supports and oppose everything he opposes.

There are other small-minded people who oppose everything Trump supports and support everything he opposes.

Today's recommendation: don't find yourself in either group of small minded people.
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Then, of course, there is a more rational group who supported one thing Trump did the one time he did something right, before he ruined even that.
 
NatMorton said:
There are small-minded people who support everything Trump supports and oppose everything he opposes.

There are other small-minded people who oppose everything Trump supports and support everything he opposes.

Today's recommendation: don't find yourself in either group of small minded people.
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good people do not support or root for trump
 
NatMorton said:
Without always agreeing with his methods, I support the following Trump policy objectives:
  • Not raising taxes.
  • Reducing the size, scope, and cost of government.
  • Immigration law enforcement.

FWIW, I strongly oppose is tariff schemes.
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Just courious, Nat. Did you ever post anything like this when Biden or Obama was in the WH?

Im guessing not.
 
NatMorton said:
I've received similar criticism, that by not voting for Harris I've somehow "helped Trump" (the worst of all sins.)

The dullards never stop to consider the fact that my state's electoral voters were never in doubt.
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You're not fooling us. You've never voted for a democrat for president.
 
AConcernedCitizen said:
Trump raised taxes.
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Technically, he's kept income taxes from being raised. I oppose his tariffs.

AConcernedCitizen said:
Trump increased the size, scope and cost of government.
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Not from where I sit. I have seen a pull back of the regulatory state.


AConcernedCitizen said:
The cost of that nonsense is $800 billion to $1.3 trillion, and involves the expansion of government power, which is directly at odds with the preceding objective.
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Not raising taxes is not a cost.
 
madman said:
Just courious, Nat. Did you ever post anything like this when Biden or Obama was in the WH?

Im guessing not.
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Here's the last complementary thing I posted about Biden:

NatMorton

Post in thread '[W: 2,672] Biden Steps Down'

Before I say anything else about this historic event, I want to applaud President Biden for a courageous decision. Men and women who reach the top of American politics don’t get there because they easily quit or because they’re indifferent to holding on to political power; they’re not wired that way. And while some will complain (not unreasonably) that he didn’t make this decision soon enough, I don’t think that takes away from what is a tremendously selfless act.

Bravo President Biden. You will leave office with well earned dignity.
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madman said:
You're not fooling us. You've never voted for a democrat for president.
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But I have fooled you. You think that I haven't.

I can promise you this: I didn't write this post four and a half years ago in anticipation of this little exchange with you.

NatMorton

Thread 'It's come to this ...'

... not fifteen minutes ago ... just a mile or so from my home ... and for the first time in over forty years of voting ... through ten elections for President of the United States ... I ... voted ... for ... a ... Democrat.

I feel so dirty.
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NatMorton said:
But I have fooled you. You think that I haven't.

I can promise you this: I didn't write this post four and a half years ago in anticipation of this little exchange with you.

NatMorton

Thread 'It's come to this ...'

... not fifteen minutes ago ... just a mile or so from my home ... and for the first time in over forty years of voting ... through ten elections for President of the United States ... I ... voted ... for ... a ... Democrat.

I feel so dirty.
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highly suspect
 
NatMorton said:
Technically, he's kept income taxes from being raised. I oppose his tariffs.
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Tariffs are taxes.

NatMorton said:
Not from where I sit. I have seen a pull back of the regulatory state.
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Then you are sitting somewhere without a clear view. Did you not hear about the $3 trillion Big Beautiful Bill? The vainglorious Wall of Trump? The Golden Dome?

His first term he added more to the national debt than had been added during any other presidential term.

Trump isn't a small government fellow by any stretch.


NatMorton said:
Not raising taxes is not a cost.
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The cost of deporting 5% of our workforce is a cost. A big cost.
 
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NatMorton said:
There are small-minded people who support everything Trump supports and oppose everything he opposes.

There are other small-minded people who oppose everything Trump supports and support everything he opposes.

Today's recommendation: don't find yourself in either group of small minded people.
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That is excellent advice. In today’s modern political era of polarization, the great divide, the super, mega, ultra-high partisanship, what you find taking further out than just Trump, generally, republicans automatically oppose any democratic proposal with the reverse also true. Democrats automatically opposing anything republican. Perhaps, generally speaking again, swing voters, independents, most aren’t small minded people. You find most of them will support the republicans on some issues, oppose them on others. The same for democrats, support them on some issues while opposing them on others.

We seen independents vote for Trump in 2016, vote for Biden in 2020 and came close to splitting their votes last year, voting for Harris 49-46. This is why I’m a swing voter, a free thinker. I can’t follow the dictates of any political party leaders like a mindless robot. Besides, I’d fail both major party’s litmus tests big time. So, I’m on voter without a political party to call home. I like it like that.
 
Perotista said:
That is excellent advice. In today’s modern political era of polarization, the great divide, the super, mega, ultra-high partisanship, what you find taking further out than just Trump, generally, republicans automatically oppose any democratic proposal with the reverse also true. Democrats automatically opposing anything republican. Perhaps, generally speaking again, swing voters, independents, most aren’t small minded people. You find most of them will support the republicans on some issues, oppose them on others. The same for democrats, support them on some issues while opposing them on others.

We seen independents vote for Trump in 2016, vote for Biden in 2020 and came close to splitting their votes last year, voting for Harris 49-46. This is why I’m a swing voter, a free thinker. I can’t follow the dictates of any political party leaders like a mindless robot. Besides, I’d fail both major party’s litmus tests big time. So, I’m on voter without a political party to call home. I like it like that.
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Independents are more likely to have litmus tests. Democrats and Republicans have platforms and even if they might not agree with elements they still vote for their Parties candidate in very high numbers.

Doesn't necessarily mean their lemmings for do so in many instances. I see it as being pragmatic because I understand there is no such thing as a perfect aligned Party with my exact beliefs or perfect candidates.

Many reasons why someone is an Independent and don't buy they're all free thinkers. It's harder to please some Independents and many don't understand Parties can't desert their bases to please any particular type of Independent or for one particular issue which could prevent them from voting for them.
 
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