To vote, or not to vote: That is the question

[Moderate Right]

Donald doesn't understand why we can't use nuclear weapons, so I hope you'll excuse me if I place the possibility of nuclear armageddon measurably more in his camp than I do in hers. Also, my own line of work is specifically guaranteed to suffer under Trump, presuming it's able to survive at all. If there isn't global economic security, I don't sell my products. It's pretty much as simple that.

Sounds like we are both on opposite sides of the same coin. By the way, I think you misunderstood me somewhat. I am not afraid that Trump will use nuclear weapons and get us into a nuclear WWIII. I am afraid his polices will piss off not only the civilized world, but the extremist nuts in the world who will be the ones who use nuclear weapons and light the fuse for everyone.

 

[American]

I dislike both Clinton and Trump. Voting for someone else is not throwing your vote away. By not voting you ARE throwing your vote away. It will be a means of expressing your disgust with these two contenders.

If allowable why not write in your pet's name? That is a form of protest. Or write in "None of the above."

It's become fashionable to dislike both candidates. It's nice to be seen as a disliker of both. Yes, it's very "in".

 

[Cardinal]

Sounds like we are both on opposite sides of the same coin. By the way, I think you misunderstood me somewhat. I am not afraid that Trump will use nuclear weapons and get us into a nuclear WWIII. I am afraid his polices will piss off not only the civilized world, but the extremist nuts in the world who will be the ones who use nuclear weapons and light the fuse for everyone.

If I'm taking over-the-counter skin cream for my radiation burns either because Donald pushed the button or because his policies inspired somebody else to do so, it's all the same to me.

 

[digsbe]

I'll likely vote 3rd party. A Hillary Clinton presidency is the worst outcome, but neither major candidate deserves my vote.

 

[radcen]

In this country, elections exist for the benefit of the politicians. In a way, that's always been the case. It's what the electoral college is for. In 1792, only wealthy white men voted. A lot of blood was spent to expand that "right", but now in recent years, aligned with their corporate interests, the politicians have found new ways to rig elections so that it doesn't matter who can vote, because they hate democracy. It's the one threat to their power. To someone like me with no interest in the names on the ballot, and not in a 'swing state' besides, this may as well be china. So much for 'the grand experiment'

I do live in a swing state, one of the closest swing states (Iowa), so that aspect adds interest for me.

 

[chromium]

I do live in a swing state, one of the closest swing states (Iowa), so that aspect adds interest for me.

Yeah, over here it feels like i'm one of the "voters" casting 'no' for saddam hussein when he 'won' reelection 15 million to 0

And given that write ins don't count and the house of reps would pick the winner if a write in *did* win, that's actually close to the truth

 

[Russell797]

The ideology of democrats? Exactly what ideology would that be anyway?

Democrats (Liberals):

Favor environmental protections.
Informed by science. (global warming, stem cell research etc.)
Favor woman's reproductive prerogatives.
Favor equality for all regardless of religion, sexual orientation etc.
Favor universal health care.

Republicans (concervatives):

Fight against environmental protections. Deny global warming.
Deny science in favor of religion. Seek to interject Intelligent Design into public school science curricula.
Support denial of woman's reproductive prerogative to abortion and reproductive health insurance.
Favor discrimination against gays in businesses open to the public.
Fight against all forms of universal health care.

 

[Bucky]

No, the person who will likely push the nuclear button is Trump because he has proved himself to be thin-skinned, erratic, grandiose, delusional, a sniffler, and paranoid--signs at his age of possibly in the beginning of mental health issues. Old Vulcan saying, be very aware of anyone who deifies itself for only ill can be had.

Trump is the puppet master. Sure he is bombastic however that is an act. In reality he is a brilliant, intelligent, calculated business savant.

We already know Hillary has skeletons in her closet. She is the true devil is sheets clothing!

 

[Perotista]

I'm seriously considering not voting in this upcoming election. The Republican candidate leaves much to be desired (to say the least) and the Democratic candidate is the worst in decades (which is saying something). Voting for a third party would be "throwing my vote away," and I don't particularly support Gary Johnson's ideology anyway, so I really fail to see the point in putting out the energy to go in that direction either.

I really don't see much in the way of other recourse here, but to simply abstain.

Don't get me wrong. I live in a pretty heavily Red State to begin with, so I doubt it'll make that much of a difference. However, it would feel like doing to something to protest what's happening right now, which is better than nothing.

We'll just have to wait and see whether I change my mind before the actual election arrives.

Anyone else feel the same way?

You didn't have my option. I am going to vote, but not for Trump and not for Clinton. Those are two lying nincompoops which neither one should be running for the highest office in this nation if either party had a nickles worth of common sense. I am voting third party, probably for Johnson, but it is a vote more against both Trump and Clinton than for Johnson. I detest, I suppose one could use the word hate, the idea of having either one in the oval office. That sucks and whomever wins will probably reign over the ruin of this nation.

But I want a say in the down ticket offices, for senate, the house, state and local offices. So I will say no to both these horses behinds and carry on as best as one can.

 

[Vox]

I'm seriously considering not voting in this upcoming election. The Republican candidate leaves much to be desired (to say the least) and the Democratic candidate is the worst in decades (which is saying something). Voting for a third party would be "throwing my vote away," and I don't particularly support Gary Johnson's ideology anyway, so I really fail to see the point in putting out the energy to go in that direction either.

I really don't see much in the way of other recourse here, but to simply abstain.

Don't get me wrong. I live in a pretty heavily Red State to begin with, so I doubt it'll make that much of a difference. However, it would feel like doing to something to protest what's happening right now, which is better than nothing.

We'll just have to wait and see whether I change my mind before the actual election arrives.

Anyone else feel the same way?

There's really only one way to go.

We want a CHANGE candidate like Bernie, but he's gone. The only thing to do is elect Trump and then we'll have a shot at getting a Bernie candidate elected in four years.

If Hillary gets in she'll be in for eight years and hand it off to another puppet of the Big Bankers.......meaning a sure 16 years of consolidation of the Oligarchy.

 

[Russell797]

And which ideology does Trump represent? Assuming that he represents the Republican side (a very big assumption), which I align myself more closely with, do I really want better SCOTUS appointments and some other conservative ideals while the national debt balloons even more than what Hillary's would, and then we all die from a nuclear WWIII?

Then vote for a 3rd party candidate. Or write someone in. One of those 2 people is going to be president whether or not you like them....One thing is for certain, the perfect candidate does not exist. We are all human. Make a difference and vote. A vote against the mainstream candidates makes a statement too. Not to vote renders your opinion silent where it matters most.

 

[Gathomas88]

Democrats (Liberals):

Favor environmental protections.
Informed by science. (global warming, stem cell research etc.)
Favor woman's reproductive prerogatives.
Favor equality for all regardless of religion, sexual orientation etc.
Favor universal health care.

Republicans (concervatives):

Fight against environmental protections. Deny global warming.
Deny science in favor of religion. Seek to interject Intelligent Design into public school science curricula.
Support denial of woman's reproductive prerogative to abortion and reproductive health insurance.
Favor discrimination against gays in businesses open to the public.
Fight against all forms of universal health care.

*Ahem*

Fixed that for you.

Democrats (Liberals):

- Agenda of expanding state powers and bureaucracy, meant to establish public over private sector dominance

.... - Occasionally coached in terms of:

.........- "Tax and Spend"

.........- Class warfare rhetoric

.........- Environmentalism

....- Ultimate Goal: Socialism, and quasi-"holistic" control of society


- Agenda of Social Engineering

....- Agenda of suppression of religion and traditional culture in favor of Left-flavored secularism

.........- Pursued using:

.............- Defacto control of media / academia to normalize disdain of religion / non-Left Wing cultural norms

.............- Emotionally charged populist rabble rousing meant to intimidate vocal opponents into submission

.............- Legislation effectively FORCING religious persons and institutions to accept secular norms


....- Agenda of nominal support for notions of "religious equality" and "diversity"

......- However, only if:

.........- In the name of "multi-culturalism"

............- Under-cuts the Christian / American cultural majority which stands in the way of agenda

............- Ultimately not for "diversity," but acquisition of minority voting blocks, against existing majority


....- Agenda of suppression of national identity and autonomy

......- Existing majority American culture and values stand in the way of global "progress;" solution:

.........- Dilute, divide, and reform existing culture to the Left's vision

.........- Disarm nation, officially, by anti-militarism, and un-officially, with revocation of 2A

.........- Break American culture into ethnic enclaves, only united in loyalty to Left gov's hand-outs


....- Ultimate Goal:

......- "Citizen of the world" culture

.........- Leftist Internationalist identity

.........- Atheistic, motivated by Leftist ideological utopianism

.........- Controlled by comforts all-powerful state the Left envisions promises to provide



Republicans (Conservatives) (brieflly)

- Agenda of preserving the United States in a similar vein to what the Founding Fathers described

- Agenda of growing the private sector, and preserving private sector autonomy

- Agenda of preserving the United States as an, and hopefully THE, autonomous global power

- Agenda of preserving existing the majority culture and identity

 

[Russell797]

*Ahem*

Fixed that for you.

Democrats (Liberals):

- Agenda of expanding state powers and bureaucracy, meant to establish public over private sector dominance

.... - Occasionally coached in terms of:

.........- "Tax and Spend"

.........- Class warfare rhetoric

.........- Environmentalism

....- Ultimate Goal: Socialism, and quasi-"holistic" control of society


- Agenda of Social Engineering

....- Agenda of suppression of religion and traditional culture in favor of Left-flavored secularism

.........- Pursued using:

.............- Defacto control of media / academia to normalize disdain of religion / non-Left Wing cultural norms

.............- Emotionally charged populist rabble rousing meant to intimidate vocal opponents into submission

.............- Legislation effectively FORCING religious persons and institutions to accept secular norms


....- Agenda of nominal support for notions of "religious equality" and "diversity"

......- However, only if:

.........- In the name of "multi-culturalism"

............- Under-cuts the Christian / American cultural majority which stands in the way of agenda

............- Ultimately not for "diversity," but acquisition of minority voting blocks, against existing majority


....- Agenda of suppression of national identity and autonomy

......- Existing majority American culture and values stand in the way of global "progress;" solution:

.........- Dilute, divide, and reform existing culture to the Left's vision

.........- Disarm nation, officially, by anti-militarism, and un-officially, with revocation of 2A

.........- Break American culture into ethnic enclaves, only united in loyalty to Left gov's hand-outs


....- Ultimate Goal:

......- "Citizen of the world" culture

.........- Leftist Internationalist identity

.........- Atheistic, motivated by Leftist ideological utopianism

.........- Controlled by comforts all-powerful state the Left envisions promises to provide



Republicans (Conservatives) (brieflly)

- Agenda of preserving the United States in a similar vein to what the Founding Fathers described

- Agenda of growing the private sector, and preserving private sector autonomy

- Agenda of preserving the United States as an, and hopefully THE, autonomous global power

- Agenda of preserving existing the majority culture and identity

For those reading this please notice the imagined, conspiratorial claims made by this poster as opposed to factual, in the news reality which I have summarily describe.

 

[Quag]

Options are lacking. Where is the I dislike the selection available, but I will vote for someone.
The closest you have is:
I dislike the selection available, but I will vote for my party.
If you are an independant or you despise your party`s choice but will still vote your poll doesnt give you an option.

 

[Gathomas88]

For those reading this please notice the imagined, conspiratorial claims made by this poster as opposed to factual, in the news reality which I have summarily describe.

Lol. Not. :roll: