To the Obama Bashers - Some Real Red Meat

[danarhea]

I have been hard on you guys for bringing up stuff like teleprompters, bending to shake hands, and all the other silliness you guys have been posting in the forum about Obama. However, I am still on your side when it comes to not supporting Obama. Therefore, I will throw some red meat your way, and I hope you run with it, because if you don't, then there is absolutely no hope for Republicans.

Today, Obama announced that he is going to legalize illegal aliens. Now here is the kicker - When asked why, Obama replied with another question - How can we stop it by arresting all the illegal aliens and deporting them? There are just too many of them.

Obama's response is key to this issue. Who says we have to arrest them all, when all we have to do is give those who hire them 30 days in jail and a $10,000 fine each time they are caught helping illegals with their lawbreaking? Problem solved. Without jobs, the illegals will become legal by going back to where they came from and waiting in line to come here like everyone else.

Obama's problem is not one of the problem being too big for him. Obama's problem is one of abject stupidity, and the American people should know all about it. If he cannot see the obvious solution to problems, then he is not qualified to be president, and the American people should remove him in 2012.

So, to the Obama bashers, instead of continuing what Obama has referred to silly season, and not only looking silly, but also handing everything to the Democrats on a silver platter, why not just hit him where he is vulnerable? It's not that hard, is it? Do you want a Republican president in 2012? If you do, there is only one way to do it, and it is not by playing into Obama's hand by being silly.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

I have been hard on you guys for bringing up stuff like teleprompters, bending to shake hands, and all the other silliness you guys have been posting in the forum about Obama. However, I am still on your side when it comes to not supporting Obama. Therefore, I will throw some red meat your way, and I hope you run with it, because if you don't, then there is absolutely no hope for Republicans.

The word is "bowing".

 

[danarhea]

The word is "bowing".

You just proved my point. Why harp on this kind of silliness when the illegal alien issue train is at the station, waiting for you to hop aboard?

 

[DarkWizard12]

Hey dan, you got an article?

 

[SgtRock]

Dan, I can't find this story either. Where did you here this?

 

[danarhea]

Dan, I can't find this story either. Where did you here this?

Oops, sorry. I tend to post links in breaking news, but frequently, I post my thoughts here, and sometimes don't supply a link.

Here's a link. LOL.

 

[SgtRock]

The Obama Administration has allready put an end to work place enforcement by ICE, now he wants to grant amnesty to criminals who have zero respect for our laws and our sovereignty. Well the American people from both sides of the political spectrum have spoken on this issue and we will not let it happen.

 

[SgtRock]

I hope America survives until we can vote this freakin clown out of office in 2012. Did you here Obama wants to meet with Hugo Chavez now. Do you supose he will kiss up to the little tyrant?

 

[SicSemperTyrannis]

I honestly believe this is an election ploy. If they legalize illegal immigrants and allow them to vote, the Democrats will have a serious shot at Republican strognhold states like Arizona and Texas. If Obama can do this by the 2012 election, it will open up a whole new ballgame for Democrats in those states. I doubt he really cares about the implications this will have on American citizens looking for jobs. Or I doubt he understands the implications this will have on American sovereignty. In a few years, Hispanics will be the majority in this country. By legalizing illegal immigrants, the Democrats can lock up the Hispanic vote for many years. I think Obama has a selfish, power-grabbing, un-Constitutional, idiotic, stupid, illogical position on illegal immigration. Immigrants should always be welcomed in this country, as long as they play by the rules. Obama is looking to change the rules so that he and his party gain the advantage. Republicans, Libertarians, moderate Democrats, and everyone who believes in the rule of law in the Constitution need to stand up and fight against this stupidity.

 

[thepyro222]

You want the red meat? Obama legalizing aliens is the worst idea I have ever heard.

1. They are not citizens, and they don't know **** about this country

2. They don't speak a WORD of English

3. Most of them enter straight into the country then apply for welfare and other ****, being leaches on the American budget.

4. Many immigrants bring drugs, and guns with them

5. many immigrants bring diseases with them.

6. The only reason that Obama did this was to look like a good democrat. He is so damn stupid!!

 

[Cold Highway]

If the collapse of the dollar doesnt **** all of us over, legalizing illegal immigrants will. This has to be stopped, what pisses me off about the illegal immigrant issue is that Liberals and Democrats constantly say how bigots have infiltrated the immigration debate (which they have but not to the level they say they have) they with this pandering to the pro-illegal immigrant crowd they only make them stronger and legitimizes their hate.

 

[Binary_Digit]

"He set out a path for illegal immigrants to become legal citizens: learn English, pay a significant fine and go to the back of the line in applications for citizenship."

Obama offers hope to America's 12m illegal immigrants | World news | guardian.co.uk

Doesn't seem that treasonous to me after reading that.

 

[Zyphlin]

My question would be "go to the back of the line" BACK in their country....or do they continue to get to live here, illegaly, after breaking our laws, waiting for their chance to be "legal" when it is only a technicality at that point if we allow them to legally stay here while they wait.

Do people that FOLLOWED the law get to wait here while they await if they're allowed entry into the country? I don't believe so. So why should we give that BENEFIT to those that are here ILLEGALLY

 

[BmanMcfly]

"He set out a path for illegal immigrants to become legal citizens: learn English, pay a significant fine and go to the back of the line in applications for citizenship."

Obama offers hope to America's 12m illegal immigrants | World news | guardian.co.uk

Doesn't seem that treasonous to me after reading that.

Of course it's made to SOUND reasonable... I'll try to break this down a bit :

1 - Illegal immigrants work for less money when they do work because they are known to be illegal. So, the american worker must accept a lower wage to maintain his competitiveness against the illegal alien.

2 - It's not the upstanding citizens that come to the country illegally, many times it's the gangsters, the murderers escaping the cartels, drug dealers, etc... so we as legal americans are left to deal with extra taxes in policing the illegals... although since many of them don't have any ID often they are just deemed 'untraceable'

3 - If you legalize illegal immigrants, now you have the extra tax burden of their children going to school, paying for welfare to people that aren't even legal citizens, not to mention that many mexican gangs have reformed on the US side of the border and have no qualms about killing cops


Now, why would anyone want to legalize illegal aliens :

1 - A tremendous drain on an already overtaxed population
2 - You allow the continuation of the flow of drugs, which has been repeatedly proven to be a benefit to government from BOTh sides, policing AND selling drugs in this 'drug war'
3 - You accustom the north american population that our border is our 'common border' (as promised by the SPP)
4 - It will ADD to the instabilities that are facing the US at present
5 - It's an issue that can keep people debating while the big bankers take all of our ressources offshore courtesy of the recent banker bailouts.

Although, I'm sure these aren't the things you voted for when you chose Obama... wasn't it?

I've repeated so many times in that last post, Yes, Obama bowing to another king is somewhere between a disrespect to the country or his position to incompetence of his advisors.... BUT it's such a NON-issue when compared to the real devastating blows to the countries future Obama's been giving out.

People say I'm paranoid when I say that I could almost expect about 100 million or so americans to die over the next few years is probably considered by those engineering this crisis (rahm emmanuel said "you can't let a crisis go to waste') would deam as 'acceptable' for accomplishing the greater agenda. (what time magazine in several articles, kissinger was quoted in other articles, and so on... that Obama will bring in the 'new world order')

Consider, the great depression killed about 7million americans when about 80% of the people lived on farms and were essentially self-suficient.... now about 95% of people are DEPENDANT on a working economy.

Seriously, ask yourself: If it got so bad that food no longer made it on store shelves, how long would YOU survive???
-Food would be stripped from shelves in about 2-4 weeks.
-Your food at home might last up to 2 months on an average (if that in many cases)
-A person can survive 6 min with no air, 6 days without water, and 6 weeks without food.
-A person will steal for food after a few days, and will KILL for food after a week.

It's too bad most people won't care enough UNTILL IT"S ALL GONE!!!

 

[Kandahar]

1. They are not citizens, and they don't know **** about this country

Granting them amnesty doesn't mean they instantly get citizenship. They would still have to learn American history and pass all the required tests to become American citizens.

2. They don't speak a WORD of English

Neither did German immigrants in the 1850s or Italian immigrants in the early 1900s. The first generation will learn enough English to get by...the second generation will be fully assimilated into the mainstream culture, just as has been the pattern for every other wave of immigration in American history.

3. Most of them enter straight into the country then apply for welfare and other ****, being leaches on the American budget.

Immigrants are more likely to employ other people, and less likely to commit crimes, than native-born Americans.

4. Many immigrants bring drugs, and guns with them

That sounds like a damn good reason to legalize drugs, not to ban immigrants. And please substantiate your claim that immigrants bring guns.

5. many immigrants bring diseases with them.

Are we talking about immigrants from Mexico? Or are we talking about immigrants from rural Nigeria? :roll:

The CDC examines all prospective US citizens to make sure they aren't harboring any major transmissible diseases.

6. The only reason that Obama did this was to look like a good democrat. He is so damn stupid!!

Granting amnesty to illegal immigrants is a great idea. Hopefully Obama will do it. And hopefully we'll do it again in 20-30 years.

 

[Kandahar]

My question would be "go to the back of the line" BACK in their country....or do they continue to get to live here, illegaly, after breaking our laws, waiting for their chance to be "legal" when it is only a technicality at that point if we allow them to legally stay here while they wait.

Do people that FOLLOWED the law get to wait here while they await if they're allowed entry into the country? I don't believe so. So why should we give that BENEFIT to those that are here ILLEGALLY

The lines are hopelessly long, so let's not mince words. If you guys want to tell them to go to the back of the line, at least be honest: You're really telling them "get out and don't come back."

 

[Kandahar]

If the collapse of the dollar doesnt **** all of us over, legalizing illegal immigrants will. This has to be stopped, what pisses me off about the illegal immigrant issue is that Liberals and Democrats constantly say how bigots have infiltrated the immigration debate (which they have but not to the level they say they have) they with this pandering to the pro-illegal immigrant crowd they only make them stronger and legitimizes their hate.

And every time a bigot complains about The Brown Man drinking and driving and killing some white girl, it only makes us "pro-illegal immigrant crowds" stronger. So what's your point?

 

[SicSemperTyrannis]

I feel that often times there is a lot of bigotry talking about Mexican and other Latino immigrants that "they're lazy, they commit crimes, etc...". A lot of that is not true about illegal immigrants. They usually keep quiet to themselves because they don't want to be discovered and deported, and I'm speaking to the Northeast I don't know about the Southwest where there are a lot more of them.

However, I think the big picture we're missing though is that these are illegal immigrants, meaning they did not follow proper procedure in entering this country. If we have any respect for the rule of law in this country, we should deport them and force them to enter legally. Whether they are Mexican, Guatemalan, Chilean, Chinese, Russian, or Kenyan (Obama's aunt), or any other nationality. They usually don't commit violent crimes, but their sheer prescence in this country is a crime!! Why should Latin Americans be allowed to jump our borders and enter illegally and immigrants from Africa and Asia whose nations are struggling just as much have to go through all of the red tape to come here legally? You either enforce the law, or you ammend it. I'm about 99% sure that the majority of the American people want no change to our immigration laws, they want them enforced. You can't just ignore a law, especially when it benefits a certain area of the population more than another. To just ignore a law and then just say "Oh well, there's too many here now to stop" makes zero sense. It sets a very dangerous precedent and allows the executive to exert power that he doesn't have. We need to enforce the law, not to "keep out the Mexicans", not because "they took 'er jobs!!" like in South Park, but because it is the law.

 

[Cold Highway]

And every time a bigot complains about The Brown Man drinking and driving and killing some white girl, it only makes us "pro-illegal immigrant crowds" stronger. So what's your point?

You read it wrong, the more the left defends and supports the pro-illegal immigrant crowd the more legitimate bigots become. Since they can hide behind the banner of immigration there hatred is legitimized.

 

[Edify_Always_In_All_Ways]

Illegal=illegal, Obama. Amnesty is not our concern right now. What we really need to focus on is bringing in educated immigrants as we kick the day laborers bak to South America; I'd be in favor of amnesty for illegal aliens with college degrees in their native countries, for example.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

You just proved my point. Why harp on this kind of silliness when the illegal alien issue train is at the station, waiting for you to hop aboard?

real quick, why did you feel it neccessary to parrot the obama admin's lie that it was "bending"?




Anyway, are you suprised? Obama is a smarmy world before US global socialist. By legalizing all the illegals, what do you think the true motivation is? A new voting block perhaps?

 

[GottaHurt]

Granting them amnesty doesn't mean they instantly get citizenship. They would still have to learn American history and pass all the required tests to become American citizens.

Or what? You're going to deport them? They don't seem to be worried about coming here illegally, working here illegally/tax free, utilizing our healthcare system for free, obtaining welfare, housing, drivers license', college tuition and bringing over all their family members, illegally.

Neither did German immigrants in the 1850s or Italian immigrants in the early 1900s.

This isn't the 1850's or 1900's.

The first generation will learn enough English to get by...the second generation will be fully assimilated into the mainstream culture, just as has been the pattern for every other wave of immigration in American history.

Ahhh yes, KandaharFacts®. You might at least try to make an attempt to substantiate your absurd statements here.

FORGING A COMMON CULTURE: INTEGRATING CALIFORNIA'S ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT POPULATION

Immigrants are more likely to employ other people, and less likely to commit crimes, than native-born Americans.

More KandaharFacts®. Please show your source for this stellar piece of information.

The CDC examines all prospective US citizens to make sure they aren't harboring any major transmissible diseases.

The CDC might very well screen all prospective applicants, but you've conveniently skipped over the fact that the 12+ million who have already arrived here illegally have not been screened.

Impacts of Illegal Immigration: Diseases

Granting amnesty to illegal immigrants is a great idea.

No, it's not. That's why this type of legislation has been denied in bipartisan fashion in the past, and will fail this time around as well.

Advocates of guest workers don't acknowledge that poor, unskilled immigrants -- whether legal or illegal -- create huge social costs. Every year the Census Bureau issues a report on "Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States." Here's what the 2004 report shows:

• Since 1990 the number of Hispanics with incomes below the government's poverty line has risen 52 percent; that's almost all (92 percent) of the increase in poor people.
  
• Among children, disparities are greater. Over the same period, Hispanic children in poverty are up 43 percent; meanwhile, the numbers of black and non-Hispanic white children in poverty declined 16.9 percent and 18.5 percent, respectively.
  
• Hispanics account for most (61 percent) of the increase of Americans without health insurance since 1990. The overall increase was 11.1 million; Hispanics, 6.7 million.

Conspiracy Against Assimilation

They usually don't commit violent crimes, but their sheer prescence in this country is a crime!!

While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers – for another annual death toll of 4,745. That's 23,725 since Sept. 11, 2001.

King also reports eight American children are victims of sexual abuse by illegal aliens every day – a total of 2,920 annually

In April 2005, the Government Accountability Office released a report on a study of 55,322 illegal aliens incarcerated in federal, state, and local facilities during 2003. It found the following:

• The 55,322 illegal aliens studied represented a total of 459,614 arrests – some eight arrests per illegal alien
• Their arrests represented a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses – some 13 offenses per illegal alien
• 36 percent had been arrested at least five times before

"While the vast majority of illegal aliens are decent people who work hard and are only trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, (something you or I would probably do if we were in their place), it is also a fact that a disproportionately high percentage of illegal aliens are criminals and sexual predators," states Peter Wagner, author of a new report called "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration." "That is part of the dark side of illegal immigration and when we allow the 'good' in we get the 'bad' along with them. The question is, how much 'bad' is acceptable and at what price?"

Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

"He set out a path for illegal immigrants to become legal citizens: learn English, pay a significant fine and go to the back of the line in applications for citizenship."

Obama offers hope to America's 12m illegal immigrants | World news | guardian.co.uk

Doesn't seem that treasonous to me after reading that.

So they can stay here, but "Get to the back of the line"? Are you really buying this nonsense?

 

[UtahBill]

Some real red meat? Gonna prechew it for us? tenderize it?:2razz:
I will wait for further developments to say much about it, but for now I will say this.... if Obama or ANY politician attempts to legalize those already here, there will be riots in the streets.
IMO, the soft approach to illegal aliens helped cost McCain his chance at the WH.
We need to take our country back from criminals, and that includes all of them, from the illegal immigrant to the CEO of AIG.....

 

[SgtRock]

The lines are hopelessly long, so let's not mince words. If you guys want to tell them to go to the back of the line, at least be honest: You're really telling them "get out and don't come back."

Thats right. Get the hell out and don't come back because your first act in coming to our country was to break our law. This proves that you have no respect for our sovereignty as a nation. Citizenship is a privilege to be earned and if your first act as an immigrant is to break our laws then you should not be allowed to obtain the privilege of citizenship.