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To Fluoride Or Not

Rexedgar

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What balance is RFK speaking of? There will be more cavities, balanced against what?

 
Rexedgar said:
What balance is RFK speaking of? There will be more cavities, balanced against what?

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Slightly more? Fluoridated water helps protect teeth while they are still little buds up inside the bone.

Thirty years from now babies born in these areas are going to have way more dental issues than the average American. What made up report is he using for this one?

Replacing a true American hero's name by adding a Jr to it is just pouring salt in the wound.
 
I get a routine dental cleaning/checkup every six months. For a couple of years, they have been applying a fluoride treatment; it's voluntary. I finally asked why this all started; the hygienist stated that many people drink bottled water nowadays, thus not getting the fluoride from the tap water anymore. So, it appears that RFK Jr has already been 'balanced'; whatever that means.
 

Toxicity of fluoride: critical evaluation of evidence for human developmental neurotoxicity in epidemiological studies, animal experiments and in vitro analyses - PMC

Recently, epidemiological studies have suggested that fluoride is a human developmental neurotoxicant that reduces measures of intelligence in children, placing it into the same category as toxic metals (lead, methylmercury, arsenic) and ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Recently, epidemiological studies have suggested that fluoride is a human developmental neurotoxicant that reduces measures of intelligence in children, placing it into the same category as toxic metals (lead, methylmercury, arsenic) and polychlorinated biphenyls. If true, this assessment would be highly relevant considering the widespread fluoridation of drinking water and the worldwide use of fluoride in oral hygiene products such as toothpaste
 
stealthycat said:

Toxicity of fluoride: critical evaluation of evidence for human developmental neurotoxicity in epidemiological studies, animal experiments and in vitro analyses - PMC

Recently, epidemiological studies have suggested that fluoride is a human developmental neurotoxicant that reduces measures of intelligence in children, placing it into the same category as toxic metals (lead, methylmercury, arsenic) and ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Recently, epidemiological studies have suggested that fluoride is a human developmental neurotoxicant that reduces measures of intelligence in children, placing it into the same category as toxic metals (lead, methylmercury, arsenic) and polychlorinated biphenyls. If true, this assessment would be highly relevant considering the widespread fluoridation of drinking water and the worldwide use of fluoride in oral hygiene products such as toothpaste
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It's a long way down to "Conclusions"...

"For individuals consuming drinking water with extremely high fluoride concentrations (> 8 mg fluoride/L), plasma concentrations of approximately 10 µM F− have been reported (Fig. 1) (Jha et al. 1982). This is still 100-fold below the critical in vitro cytotoxic concentration of 1 mM fluoride"

"The experimental evidence suggests that current exposure to fluoride, even for individuals with relatively high fluoride intake, is clearly below levels that lead to adverse effects in vitro or in animals."

"Overall, despite the remaining uncertainties, and based on the totality of evidence the present review does not support the presumption that fluoride should be considered as a human developmental neurotoxicant at current exposure levels."
 
Once again JFKrazy proves he is not about the health and well being of US citizens.
He needs to be removed immediately.
 
stealthycat said:

Toxicity of fluoride: critical evaluation of evidence for human developmental neurotoxicity in epidemiological studies, animal experiments and in vitro analyses - PMC

Recently, epidemiological studies have suggested that fluoride is a human developmental neurotoxicant that reduces measures of intelligence in children, placing it into the same category as toxic metals (lead, methylmercury, arsenic) and ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Recently, epidemiological studies have suggested that fluoride is a human developmental neurotoxicant that reduces measures of intelligence in children, placing it into the same category as toxic metals (lead, methylmercury, arsenic) and polychlorinated biphenyls. If true, this assessment would be highly relevant considering the widespread fluoridation of drinking water and the worldwide use of fluoride in oral hygiene products such as toothpaste
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Your assessment and linked review paper says the opposite of what you claim.

What an absolute failpost.
 
mrjurrs said:
Slightly more? Fluoridated water helps protect teeth while they are still little buds up inside the bone.

Thirty years from now babies born in these areas are going to have way more dental issues than the average American. What made up report is he using for this one?

Replacing a true American hero's name by adding a Jr to it is just pouring salt in the wound.
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I am not sure about that. Keep fluoride in toothpaste and mouthwash. I don’t know if we need it in water. My family have been drinking bottled water for over thirty years. My grown children didn’t have a problem with cavities and neither does my grandchildren.
 
Citizen said:
I am not sure about that. Keep fluoride in toothpaste and mouthwash. I don’t know if we need it in water. My family have been drinking bottled water for over thirty years. My grown children didn’t have a problem with cavities and neither does my grandchildren.
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Anecdotal evidence is not the way to run a public health system.
 
Fluoride is a toxin. It makes no sense to intentionally put toxins in our drinking water.

In March 2006, the National Research Council declared that the U.S. EPA is allowing levels of fluoride in drinking water that could damage children's teeth. At water-fluoride levels at or above 4 ppm (or 4 mg/L), there is evidence to suggest that consumption could increase the risk of serious fluorosis.

The National Academy of Sciences estimates that as of 1992, more than 200,000 people in the U.S. were drinking water with fluoride levels above 4 ppm.
https://health.howstuffworks.com/wellness/oral-care/products/fluoride-poisoning.htm
 
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EthanB said:
I get a routine dental cleaning/checkup every six months. For a couple of years, they have been applying a fluoride treatment; it's voluntary. I finally asked why this all started; the hygienist stated that many people drink bottled water nowadays, thus not getting the fluoride from the tap water anymore. So, it appears that RFK Jr has already been 'balanced'; whatever that means.
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I have nothing against topical fluoride applications. They serve a function. They are beneficial.

However, your hygienist is full of crap. The mode of action of fluoridated water is very, very different from topical fluoride.

Fluoridated water primarily benefits young children, 2-12 years old, but it is a lifelong benefit.

When fluoride is ingested in drinking water, the fluorine ion is taken up into the tooth buds as they are forming in the child's jaw, long before they erupt in the mouth, permanently making the entire tooth stronger and more resistant to tooth decay. Fluoridated water has virtually no benefit for teeth that are already formed.

Topical fluoride, in contrast, temporarily incorporates only the very outer layer of enamel of the tooth, providing some resistance.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
I have nothing against topical fluoride applications. They serve a function. They are beneficial.

However, your hygienist is full of crap. The mode of action of fluoridated water is very, very different from topical fluoride.

Fluoridated water primarily benefits young children, 2-12 years old, but it is a lifelong benefit.
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It's important to note that I'm well beyond 2-12 years old. Her comment was directed to me.
 
SkyChief said:
Fluoride is a toxin. It makes no sense to intentionally put toxins in our drinking water.

In March 2006, the National Research Council declared that the U.S. EPA is allowing levels of fluoride in drinking water that could damage children's teeth. At water-fluoride levels at or above 4 ppm (or 4 mg/L), there is evidence to suggest that consumption could increase the risk of serious fluorosis.

The National Academy of Sciences estimates that as of 1992, more than 200,000 people in the U.S. were drinking water with fluoride levels above 4 ppm.
https://health.howstuffworks.com/wellness/oral-care/products/fluoride-poisoning.htm
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You are absolutely out of your league here. Toxin, my ass!

1. Fluoride is a NATURALLY OCCURING ELEMENT, found in all natural occuring water supplies to one degree or another. Fluoride is found in almost all foods throughout the world.

2. Nobody anywhere in the world adjusts their fluoridation up to 4ppm. The only place you can find fluoride levels that high are in some natural water sources, such as parts of Colorado. We've known that people who consume that water daily will experience fluorosis since the 1940s. NOTHING NEW.

3. 200,000 people in a nation of 350 million? What is that? Around 1/2 of one percent?

I've been observing the 'fluoridation battles' for over fifty years. I remember when fluoride was accused of being a communist plot, causing birth defects, mental retardation, AIDS, cleft lips, Alzheimers, autism, hearing loss, and arthritis. I'm surprised someone hasn't accused fluoride of being the cause of the Lindberg kidnapping.

We have epidemiological studies that have gone on for almost a century. With millions of subjects over decades, we would have undeniable proof if fluoride was this decadent poison you claim.
 
EthanB said:
It's important to note that I'm well beyond 2-12 years old. Her comment was directed to me.
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My point is, whether you were consuming fluoridated water or not AS AN ADULT, it had virtually no impact on your dental health. Lack of fluoridated water in the diet of an adult is not a valid rationale for applying topical fluoride.

Regardless of the fluoridation, topical application, particularly in people with a history tooth decay, is beneficial, particularly if it is re-applied frequently, like every 3-6 months.
 
Citizen said:
I am not sure about that. Keep fluoride in toothpaste and mouthwash. I don’t know if we need it in water. My family have been drinking bottled water for over thirty years. My grown children didn’t have a problem with cavities and neither does my grandchildren.
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If you're not sure, do some research.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
My point is, whether you were consuming fluoridated water or not AS AN ADULT, it had virtually no impact on your dental health. Lack of fluoridated water in the diet of an adult is not a valid rationale for applying topical fluoride.

Regardless of the fluoridation, topical application, particularly in people with a history tooth decay, is beneficial, particularly if it is re-applied frequently, like every 3-6 months.
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Citation needed.

Because the ADA and CDC disagree, as does the data.


“Although early studies focused mostly on children, water fluoridation also is effective in preventing dental caries among adults. Fluoridation reduces enamel caries in adults by 20%-40% (16) and prevents caries on the exposed root surfaces of teeth, a condition that particularly affects older adults.”

 
Threegoofs said:
Citation needed.

Because the ADA and CDC disagree, as does the data.


“Although early studies focused mostly on children, water fluoridation also is effective in preventing dental caries among adults. Fluoridation reduces enamel caries in adults by 20%-40% (16) and prevents caries on the exposed root surfaces of teeth, a condition that particularly affects older adults.”

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I looked that one up. What it pointed out was adults who had or had not consumed fluoridated water from childhood. As I posted earlier, childhood consumption of optimized fluoride in drinking water has lifelong benefits. Adults who consumed fluoridated water as children will continue to have lower decay rates as adults compared to adults who have not been exposed to fluoridation as children.

Current data on caries prevalence in adults and seniors are extremely limited and include several populations living in communities with higher than optimal fluoride levels. For these adults and seniors, a range of 15-35 percent less caries would also apply. Viewed in toto, the current data for children, adolescents, adults and seniors show a consistently and substantially lower caries prevalence in fluoridated communities. For an accurate measurement of the efficacy of water fluoridation in reducing dental caries, it is essential that only persons with a record of continuous or long-term residency in fluoridated versus nonfluoridated areas be included in such assessments. Because of the high geographic mobility in our society and the widespread use of fluoride dentifrices, supplements, and other topical fluoride agents, such comparisons are becoming more difficult to conduct.
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The author has pointed out a major flaw in the assessments and conclusions of many studies.
 
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