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Time for an Amendment calling for public-financing of ALL elections

FFDP666 said:
well, thats why we have to use the only powers we have citizens have. we may not have money, but we still have our votes and our mass in numbers.
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Exactly what I've been saying all along!
 
Thunder said:
Its seems pretty clear that one of the greatest problems we have in this country, is the influence money has on politicians.

Candidates need money to run for Congress, Senate, Mayor, President, Governor, etc etc. This means they take donations from people and groups..and these people and groups want stuff in return.

Sometimes these people and groups want stuff that in NO WAY serves the greater good of society. Sometimes they even want things that only help other countries.

This symbiotic relationship that politicians have with their doners, needs to end. Its part of the reason why our government is sooo paralized. Its part of the reason why there is soo much corruption at the State and Federal level.

Sure, I support freedom of speech. But this money + government relationship is pure poison.

Its time for a Constitutional Amendment to #1. ban private funding of elections. And #2. provide for public funding for all Federal, State, and local elections.

the sooner we get the $$$$$$ out of elections, the sooner politicians start being honest and actually write and vote for legislation that's good for this country.
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The government does not have the proper constitutional power to limit me or anyone else spending our money to support a candidate. and with the media fellating the dem party for the most part, I sure don't want to give up the right of people like me to pool our resources to counter guys like Chris Matthews having on-air orgasms over Obama
 
turtledude said:
the government does not have the proper constitutional power to limit me or anyone else spending our money to support a candidate. And with the media fellating the dem party for the most part, i sure don't want to give up the right of people like me to pool our resources to counter guys like chris matthews having on-air orgasms over obama
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you don't have the right to put stupid political ads on my tv time!
 
TurtleDude said:
The government does not have the proper constitutional power to limit me or anyone else spending our money to support a candidate. and with the media fellating the dem party for the most part, I sure don't want to give up the right of people like me to pool our resources to counter guys like Chris Matthews having on-air orgasms over Obama
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seriously though, these super pacs are a rather new thing to our system, and i know, it won't take that long for them to become super corrupted along with everything else in our lovley system, i mean ALREADY you have correlations between Rick Perry's campaign and a Super Pac supporting him, obvious violations there already. how long before this new addiction becomes like every other thing that has millions and millions of dollars in it devoted to political gains....?
 
FFDP666 said:
you don't have the right to put stupid political ads on my tv time!
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you don't have any TV time unless you bought it from the network
 
FFDP666 said:
seriously though, these super pacs are a rather new thing to our system, and i know, it won't take that long for them to become super corrupted along with everything else in our lovley system, i mean ALREADY you have correlations between Rick Perry's campaign and a Super Pac supporting him, obvious violations there already. how long before this new addiction becomes like every other thing that has millions and millions of dollars in it devoted to political gains....?
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why does freedom scare you so much?
 
TurtleDude said:
why does freedom scare you so much?
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Right now, there are laws in place, that are supposed to separate a political campaign from Super pac money...those laws are already being bended if not broken, and i don't see how anyone can say that, that is going to stop. rather, its only going to get worse. these super pac's are nothing more than opening the door for huge amounts of special interest money in politics. and stop arguing with extremes in these issues. just because i don't want corporate money directly influencing my elections doesn't mean i am anit freedom.
 
FFDP666 said:
Right now, there are laws in place, that are supposed to separate a political campaign from Super pac money...those laws are already being bended if not broken, and i don't see how anyone can say that, that is going to stop. rather, its only going to get worse. these super pac's are nothing more than opening the door for huge amounts of special interest money in politics. and stop arguing with extremes in these issues. just because i don't want corporate money directly influencing my elections doesn't mean i am anit freedom.
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the media slurps the dems, the only way to even that out is to stop interfering with the rights of individuals to fight back
 
Thunder said:
not yet, you mean.

not yet. ;)
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good luck in trying to get an amendment (though the left generally just ignore the constitution anyway)
 
TurtleDude said:
the media slurps the dems, the only way to even that out is to stop interfering with the rights of individuals to fight back
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OH YES! HAHA! the "liberal mainstream media"! besides the fact that most mainstream news is not slanted in any major way one way or the other, the ones that are, MSNBC for example are easily countered by the likes of FOX news and such, your argument is dead on arrival.
 
Thunder said:
because what you dishonestly call "freedom", has poisoned our democracy almost to the point of being beyond repair.
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what has poisoned democracy (thank God we don't have a real democracy) is the progressive income tax and the 17th amendment both of which destroyed the balance of power between the federal government and the states and allow politicians to pit net tax payers against net tax consumers. that and the destruction of the tenth amendment by a corrupt and dishonest FDR administration and courts have set the stage to ruin this country
 
TurtleDude said:
good luck in trying to get an amendment (though the left generally just ignore the constitution anyway)
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right.....which is why they are using the only way in the constitution to fight a supreme court decision (an amendment to overturn the citizens united case)...because they hate the constitution and just ignore it and its procedures for things. gotcha!
 
FFDP666 said:
OH YES! HAHA! the "liberal mainstream media"! besides the fact that most mainstream news is not slanted in any major way one way or the other, the ones that are, MSNBC for example are easily countered by the likes of FOX news and such, your argument is dead on arrival.
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FOx news vs ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, etc. how many prime time network shows are designed to advance conservative causes vs leftwing causes?
 
FFDP666 said:
right.....which is why they are using the only way in the constitution to fight a supreme court decision (an amendment to overturn the citizens united case)...because they hate the constitution and just ignore it and its procedures for things. gotcha!
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do you have any legal training?
 
TurtleDude said:
what has poisoned democracy (thank God we don't have a real democracy) is the progressive income tax and the 17th amendment both of which destroyed the balance of power between the federal government and the states and allow politicians to pit net tax payers against net tax consumers. that and the destruction of the tenth amendment by a corrupt and dishonest FDR administration and courts have set the stage to ruin this country
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yes, turn the argument from whether money is pure free speech, to the income tax...that will show em!
 
TurtleDude said:
do you have any legal training?
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are you a damn idiot? both of those questions have the same relevance in this argument. seriously, your asking more irrelevant questions and switching the topic more than usual.
 
Thunder said:
because what you dishonestly call "freedom", has poisoned our democracy almost to the point of being beyond repair.
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When people are threatened with prison for distributing a film about a political candidate, in America, that's poisoning democracy.

Citizens United put a stop to that.
 
Hello

Could not agree more. Private money out. If the candidates had to rely on public money maybe they (both sides) would be more forthcoming and honest. MAYBE

Thanks
Wolfman24
 
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