Tim Walz is "freakish," and Harris is an extremist?

[MrNiceGuy]

Ah, yes.

The days of yore when Kennedy challenged the nation, "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country."

That's a wonderful sentiment.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

That's been going on for almost 100 years now. The revolving door/military industrial complex political pipeline is a well known phenomenon. Not some massive deep state secret cabal.

I'm referring to what has been happening. Your side is saying it doesn't exist. I mean, it is massive - the military industrial complex today would have Eisenhower amazed, and he saw what was going on in the 1950s.

Used to?

Here is an interview with Tim Walz talking about how it is a problem he'd like to address back in 2011.
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Representative Tim Walz on Congressional Insider Trading

Representative Tim Walz (D-MN) talked about his legislation that would ban insider trading by members of Congress. He also responded to telephone calls and electronic communications. C-SPAN Radio's Nancy Calo read news headlines at the end of the program.

www.c-span.org

You'll find that the progressive left takes massive issue with this. You just have to go to...you know...actual leftists. When people say The Left half the time they mean establishment liberal Democrats.

I'm happy to agree with that part of the Left which acknowledges the reality of what I'm saying. I know of some of them. But, look at the Progressives here. They literally reject the very existence of a military industrial complex that might have influence over their beloved Biden/Harris. They reject it outright. They pretend it does not exist, or that it's some wild conspiracy theory, as if they've never read a book published about it over the past 50 years. Maybe they haven't.

 

[ataraxia]

That hardly makes sense. The National School Lunch Program has been in existence since 1946. Kennedy's ideas were compartmentalized in The New Frontier ("a frontier of unknown opportunities and perils").

So why is Walz being cussed out as a dangerous progressive for it?

 

[ataraxia]

We've had fire departments and police since the beginning of this country. Communism is the Marxist socialist idea where there is no private property, all rents are paid to the State, there is no private business, and the means of production are held and controlled exclusively by the State or in the theoretical late stage communism in a stateless community.

So why are Harris/Walz dangerous radical communists?

 

[ataraxia]

Boeing, General Dynamics, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and Raytheon, the Member List of the Project for a New American Century (formerly in support of the Bush Administration, neocons, Patriot Act, War on Terrah, etc, but then jumped ship to Biden and became Never Trump).

Nearly 700 former high-ranking government officials, including former generals and admirals, went to work for defense contractors. Some are corporate board members and highly paid executives --- Well over 600 of them became Pentagon lobbyists.

Certain Biden donors/funders withheld $90 million in funds in order to get Biden off the ticket - https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/12/us/politics/biden-donors-money.html

It's not a particularly vague group. It's a group that the Left used to seem to understand. You can find pieces on it by Chomsky, for example, and over the last few decades written by the Left wing publcation "The Nation."

Yes, because the right is always SO open about untoward corporate influences.

Oil Executives Fuel Trump’s $40 Million Texas Fundraising Haul

Donald Trump raised $40 million from oil executives and other deep-pocketed donors in Texas, marking Wednesday’s haul as one of the most profitable days for the presumptive Republican nominee seeking to close a fundraising gap with President Joe Biden.

www.bloomberg.com

Gun rights groups set new lobbying spending record in 2021 - OpenSecrets News

With mass shootings becoming an increasingly common facet of American life, gun rights groups spent a record $15.8 million lobbying in 2021.

www.opensecrets.org

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Yes, because the right is always SO open about untoward corporate influences.

I never said that at all. The same folks controlled the Republican party.

The reason they didn't like Trump, is he wasn't in the Club. I don't know why this is so difficult to understand. If you think they hated Trump because he was mean and uncouth and didn't follow "norms," you're fooling yourself. They hated him because he was making them come to him, hat in hand, to justify what they used to get by fiat. I hate the GOP Establishment - I support Trump because of that. Gun rights groups are not part of the controlling military industrial complex, and oil executives are pro-Trump because the Democratic Party literally says they will do away with fossil fuels.

 

[Along Came Jones]

So why is Walz being cussed out as a dangerous progressive for it?

The same reason, probably, that I find fault with him. The Minnesota legislature went way beyond feeding economically disadvantaged students. Regardless of ability to pay, everyone gets a not-so-free free lunch. But someone pays the food and service costs, right?

 

[ataraxia]

The same reason, probably, that I find fault with him. The Minnesota legislature went way beyond feeding economically disadvantaged students. Regardless of ability to pay, everyone gets a not-so-free free lunch. But someone pays the food and service costs, right?

This is not communism.

Maybe we should get free textbooks only to poor families too, and make everyone else pay for it? Is that more All-American?

 

[Along Came Jones]

This is not communism.

Maybe we should get free textbooks only to poor families too, and make everyone else pay for it? Is that more All-American?

You're right. It is not communism. It is, IMHO, fiscal irresponsibility.

According to how school districts and the states levy taxes, the public already pays for the textbooks and other instructional materials. Right?

 

[MrNiceGuy]

So why are Harris/Walz dangerous radical communists?

Harris' equity speech espouses communist ideals - her "equity means we all end up in the same place" economically is not anywhere close to "help the poor." Her Marxist roots are where she comes to that position, which is that nobody should be able to have more than someone else - because "equity."

Her silly word salad stuff like "imagine what can be, unburdened from what has been" The part of the statement “by what has been” refers to the democracy and freedom in this country since the passage of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Much of her thoughts come naturally from her father; a Marxist economist Her contempt for free market economy and her radical racism are the first beginnings of socialism that has never worked in a free society. 'Equitable distribution' 'equity' It’s a repackaged version of Karl Marx’ popularized slogan 'From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs' meaning a redistribution of wealth.

‘A force that cannot be ignored’: Democratic Socialists of America crow after Harris taps Walz as VP https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/aug/6/democratic-socialists-of-america-crow-after-kamala/​

She's their girl.

 

[ataraxia]

You're right. It is not communism. It is, IMHO, fiscal irresponsibility.

According to how school districts and the states levy taxes, the public already pays for the textbooks and other instructional materials. Right?

Not sure why school books vs lunches are somehow fundamentally different in terms of being "dangerous progressive policy" or "far left".

 

[ataraxia]

Harris' equity speech espouses communist ideals - her "equity means we all end up in the same place" economically is not anywhere close to "help the poor." Her Marxist roots are where she comes to that position, which is that nobody should be able to have more than someone else - because "equity."

Her silly word salad stuff like "imagine what can be, unburdened from what has been" The part of the statement “by what has been” refers to the democracy and freedom in this country since the passage of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Much of her thoughts come naturally from her father; a Marxist economist Her contempt for free market economy and her radical racism are the first beginnings of socialism that has never worked in a free society. 'Equitable distribution' 'equity' It’s a repackaged version of Karl Marx’ popularized slogan 'From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs' meaning a redistribution of wealth.

‘A force that cannot be ignored’: Democratic Socialists of America crow after Harris taps Walz as VP https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/aug/6/democratic-socialists-of-america-crow-after-kamala/​

She's their girl.

So you don't think that if every demographic is given equal opportunity, they have the potential to end up in the same place?

 

[MrNiceGuy]

This is not communism.

Maybe we should get free textbooks only to poor families too, and make everyone else pay for it? Is that more All-American?

Maybe we should just have the State provide food for everyone. It follows from your logic. Why not?

 

[MrNiceGuy]

So you don't think that if every demographic is given equal opportunity, they have the potential to end up in the same place?

What's the same place? That they all have the same?

I mean, there are cultural differences, so equal opportunity is not going to make every job, every income, every aspect of life look the same for each "demographic." For example, equal opportunity will not change the fact that east Asians earn on average twice as much as white people. They have equal opportunity now, but they have different cultural aspects, which result in east Asians tending, demographically, to kick Anglo-Saxons' asses all over the place.

What to propose to do to make them all come out in the same place?

And, again, what do you mean by the same place?

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Not sure why school books vs lunches are somehow fundamentally different in terms of being "dangerous progressive policy" or "far left".

I think it's a function of efficiency. Like, those schoolbooks are to get reused, so you should be able to get several years of use out of one book. But, lunches aren't - lunches are just for the one person that eats the food.

It's not that one is "dangerous" and the other not - it's that it's not wise use of available funds to have each parent buy a new book for their kid every year.

Having a public school is not a feature of "communism" -- although it might be if the only lawful option was public school, then it would be quite like communism, as the State wold own the means of production of education. But, we have a thriving private education system, too, and we allow homeschooling, etc. People are free to do what they want. We don't have a national school system, we have local schools set up by towns and private individuals.

 

[Ginger Ale]

It's part of the topic, as the protesters were protesting the US involvement and funding of the genocide they say is occuring in Gaza, and Harris is currently the sitting Vice President of the US.

So, rather than talk down to them, and tell them "I'm speaking!" - she might have actually.... oh, I don't know.... how about.... pivot in her speech to actually tell them why their protest of her is misplaced on this issue, and explain how what the Biden/Harris administration is doing vis-a-vis the alleged Israeli war crimes, genocide and the like, is the right thing to do?

You know, how about being responsive to he people, instead of telling them words to the effect of "shut up and cheer?"

No it isn't. There's plenty of information about how Harris feels on these topics. Watch her 60 minute interview if you want to know how she feels about Gaza.

 

[ataraxia]

Maybe we should just have the State provide food for everyone. It follows from your logic. Why not?

Of course, the right to food is a basic human right, and to be protected as a safety net by any government which is in a position to protect it- an idea that was spearheaded by the US after WWII and signed by just about every nation on the planet now.

But if you ever remember back to your school days, they are places where kids can be particularly bullied and humiliated for looking like they come from poor families-- well, elementary schools and RNC conventions; but then again, we are talking about the same level of emotional and intellectual maturity in both- so basically the same thing.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Man, this is quite the cope thread.

 

[ataraxia]

I think it's a function of efficiency. Like, those schoolbooks are to get reused, so you should be able to get several years of use out of one book. But, lunches aren't - lunches are just for the one person that eats the food.

Lunches and books are different things, and so subject to different considerations. But whether something is reusable or not does not make it more efficient or less socialist that a fundamentally different thing. But the school providing or not providing them being a litmus test of calling someone a "far left progressive" or "socialist"? Silly.

It's not that one is "dangerous" and the other not - it's that it's not wise use of available funds to have each parent buy a new book for their kid every year.

Having a public school is not a feature of "communism" -- although it might be if the only lawful option was public school, then it would be quite like communism, as the State wold own the means of production of education. But, we have a thriving private education system, too, and we allow homeschooling, etc. People are free to do what they want. We don't have a national school system, we have local schools set up by towns and private individuals.

So is school lunch being forced on Minnesota school children?

 

[Slartibartfast]

Ah, yes.

The days of yore when Kennedy challenged the nation, "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country."

These days Maga would attack a sentiment like that as communism.

 

[Felis Leo]

"Tim Walz is the man who’s very freakish, he’s very freakish. If Comrade Walz and Comrade Harris win this November, the people cheering will be the pink-haired Marxists, the looters, the perverts, the flag-burners, Hamas supporters, drug dealers, gun grabbers and human traffickers.”

It's true, of course, and Harris has stated her Marxist philosophy with her silly ideas about "equity" meaning "we all end up in the same place" economically and socially. If Harris wins, then the multi-colored hair Marxist, looters, American flag birners, Hamas supporters, drug dealers, gun grabbers and human traffickers - all the degenerates, will cheer.

It's now like a month into the "Harris campaign" and she still won't sit down with skeptical media and answer policy questions. Everything she does is crafted and scripted PR. No way the media would let a Republican get away with the unrebutted media blitz. But, time will tell.

Ehhh this is really tired. They should stick to calling Harris a shrill laughing hyena and just say that Walz has sex with horses.

 

[Felis Leo]

So weird that Trump goes to Montana to call someone fat?

And talk about his handpicked candidate.

Trump has had a vendetta against Tester because Tester isn’t a MAGA.

Too bad Tester is leading in every poll in Montana.



Now…do you really think that it’s a good idea for Trump to stand on stage and say he’s not going to give any money to schools that have vaccine mandates?

You think it’s a good idea for kids to NOT be vaccinated against polio? You think schools shouldn’t require kids to have polio vaccines?


That’s just weird

It is my freedom to refuse to vaccinate my children and then send them to school with debilitating or deadly infectious diseases, and it is your children's freedom to catch it!

 

[Felis Leo]

I kinda look at Tim Walz and think he's bit freakish. He looks like a grinning, laughing, head bobbing bobblehead cartoon with a speech pull string attached in back mouthing preprogramed jibes just for the vibes. And besides, how can we trust anybody who tosses Tater Tots into an oven casserole?

As compared to whom?

 

[Felis Leo]

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[MrNiceGuy]

Ehhh this is really tired. They should stick to calling Harris a shrill laughing hyena and just say that Walz has sex with horses.

LOL, I'll let the Orange Mushroom Dick Treasonous Putin Pal and Kim Jong Un Butt Buddy and all of his Magats and the rest of the Repugnikkkans know that you're tired of all the namecalling.