Tim Walz abandoned his soldiers when they deployed to Iraq

[Mika-El]

He said he was the highest ranking enlisted member ever in Congress. He failed to reveal that he was demoted for failing to fulfill his commitment.

The above is an absolute falsehood. Walz never hid or denied or stated he was not lowered in rank when he did not complete certain tests and explained exactly what his ranks were and when they were given. His military record including his honourable discharge and 8 promotions are all public record and you note on this thread JMB never provided one quote from Walz where he falsely misrepresented his service, rank or duties. JMB was repeatedly asked to provide the misrepresentations and he has not quoted any because they do not exist.

The fact is JMB took the words "carried a weapon in war" and now infers from it indirectly it means Walz is a coward, engaged in stolen valor, because he misrepresented his missions and roles and by saying the above suggested he was in war. According to JMB he was never in war so he is a liar for saying he carried a weapon in war. That is no different than saying Walz lied and claimed he was a combat soldier when he was not which is what is meant by stolen valor.

Walz never denied that his rank was lowered and why.

 

[Mika-El]

The CSM who replaced him went on combat missions. Walz could have done so as well.

You now explain to everyone how someone his age and rank even at the lower level would NOT have ever been placed in a combat role. Do not pretend you do not know this and are fully aware at best he would have had a nom combat desk job had he gone,

The above statement by you is disgusting in that you know what I just said being a vet but because of the above statement misrepresent that he would have been sent om combat missions.

 

[JMB1911A1]

You now explain to everyone how someone his age and rank even at the lower level would NOT have ever been placed in a combat role. Do not pretend you do not know this and are fully aware at best he would have had a nom combat desk job had he gone,

The above statement by you is disgusting in that you know what I just said being a vet but because of the above statement misrepresent that he would have been sent om combat missions.

Dude, in English please. Your babble makes no sense.

 

[Mika-El]

Yup, he failed to fulfill his commitment for attending the Sergeant Majors Academy. Thanks for posting that.

Why?

Other members of Congress have stayed active in the Guard and Reserves while in Congress. Why did Tim run away from his commitment?

He did not fail anything. He had no commitment to write the tests or continue to stay in service. You again fabricate.

 

[Mika-El]

Dude, in English please. Your babble makes no sense.

That is a pathetic response. Go on tell everyone as an Iraqi veteran why you as a veteran would challenge another veteran's service in public. Next explain how you do not know that at his rank he was too old to place in a field of combat and so even if he chose to have gone he would have been at a desk and not in the field of combat.

You want to play dumb with me now. No speak English. Me no understand.

 

[Mika-El]

And you’re denigrating your fellow servicemen. You have brought enormous shame on yourself today.

I have never known a vet to do such a thing in front of non service people to humiliate a fellow service person.

There is a popular ex Seal who has a you tube site for exposing people who engage in stolen valor. He carefully researches before he makes any accusations.

 

[Mika-El]

Because it is not relevant.

When you make an allegation prove it. Claiming you do not have to is dishonest and cowardly. Now put up the statements you claim are from Walz lying about his record. Put it up. You have no evidence. You entire smear comes from repeating a second hand smear that indirectly refers from one comment he lied about his military record. In so doing you not only lied and misrepresented the full context and intent of what he said but continue to do so and show your accusations can not be proven and are deliberate and you can be smug about it.

 

[RF667799]

He did not fail anything. He had no commitment to write the tests or continue to stay in service. You again fabricate.

When he accepted his promotion, he incurred an obligation to successfully complete the coursework of the Sergeant Major Academy.

When he decided to not fulfill that obligation, he was consequently reduced to his previous pay grade.

Simple.

 

[RF667799]

That is a pathetic response. Go on tell everyone as an Iraqi veteran why you as a veteran would challenge another veteran's service in public. Next explain how you do not know that at his rank he was too old to place in a field of combat and so even if he chose to have gone he would have been at a desk and not in the field of combat.

You want to play dumb with me now. No speak English. Me no understand.

Need...more...veteran...armor...

 

[JMB1911A1]

Ok

He did not fail anything. He had no commitment to write the tests or continue to stay in service. You again fabricate.

There is a multiple year commitment after graduating the SGM-A due to cost to the military. When you are selected for the Academy, you agree to the commitment upon graduation.

 

[Cardinal]

I have never known a vet to do such a thing in front of non service people to humiliate a fellow service person.

There is a popular ex Seal who has a you tube site for exposing people who engage in stolen valor. He carefully researches before he makes any accusations.

It happened in 2004. Admiration for people who've served in the military isn't a conservative thing.

 

[jnug]

Ok

There is a multiple year commitment after graduating the SGM-A due to cost to the military.

Which still does not trump the simple fact that Walz could have retired anytime he wanted to retire. If "JOE" is butt hurt because Walz went above his rank to get it done....too bad for Joe.

After 24 years of service trying to imply that Walz had to meet some other standard to retire is a flat out JOKE as is the public standard bearer for this nonsense, the shillbilly, former 4 year Army public relations officer, JD Vance.

Oh and before I forget, while whining about the Harris laugh....anybody get a load of the phony baloney laugh on Vance.

 

[Mika-El]

When did you serve and what was your final rank? (I ask this knowing you didn't really serve since you showed in your post that you have no idea how the military operates)

Thank you. How can he not know Walz would never have been placed in a combat field even if he went to Iraq. How does a vet insult another vet on this forum or in public and not save that kind of comment one on one?

Look compared to you I am a lowly volunteer who cleaned toilets but I know enough to know from soldiers in the British, Canadian, Israel and US armies they would not do this. My father was a career soldier. He would bring me to a vet hospital where I would talk to WW1, Korea and WW2 vets. They only spoke of the service of others never themselves and never would say anything negative to me and if they did to my father about someone it was never in front of me and I know they have a code of honour. I am glad you are on this thread. Thank you for that comment.

All I mean to do is defend vets because I know many won't talk because of their code. I do not ever mean to speak for you or any other vet. Only you can but I feel it important to challenge such shit. It just goes against everything my father taught me. He was in the Air Force in WW2 and joined at 15.5 years of age and lied through his teeth lol to get in and as a gunner in mosquito. Then after the war he served in the Canadian Army for twenty years. They retired him as a Major but he would only refer to himself as a Captain saying the increased rank he only got on leaving.

To this day he never discussed what he really did. I knew he flew out of Goose Bay which was a base shared by the Royal Canadian and Australian Air Forces and your USAF. All I know is he said you guys had electric jackets and gloves so the Canadians and Australians were jealous because their hands froze to their guns. He also said you guys had much better food and the Commonwealth guys got crappier rations. Lol. He also said no one could drink with the Aussies and when you Yanks tried you would pass out first.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Do you seriously think that the Sergeant Majors Course is only run one time?

BTW, we keep getting told that the unit didn’t deploy till 2006 so Timmy could have made an Aug 2005 resident portion.

If he'd gone to the resident academy, the length is 10 months. He'd have missed both his units training stand-up in Sept 2005 and being deployed with them in March 2006 (maybe meeting up with them on deployment in June).

All irrelevant anyway because as NG, he normally would have been in the resident 10 month program. NG normally would complete the distance learning program.\

WW

 

[RF667799]

So suppose a guy has political ambitions and an ongoing campaign for political office. Suppose this guy is a member of a National Guard unit, and has been for 18 years. His unit is notified that some elements will be deploying during his campaign.

What can he do to prioritize his campaign over his military duties?

 

[jnug]

So suppose a guy has political ambitions and an ongoing campaign for political office. Suppose this guy is a member of a National Guard unit, and has been for 18 years. His unit is notified that some elements will be deploying during his campaign.

What can he do to prioritize his campaign over his military duties?

Irrelevant....he is not 20 years in yet.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Ok

There is a multiple year commitment after graduating the SGM-A due to cost to the military. When you are selected for the Academy, you agree to the commitment upon graduation.

Agreed.

The last part is important: "...you agree to the commitment upon graduation."

Walz didn't graduate, so incurred no service obligation for attending.

WW

 

[RF667799]

Irrelevant....he is not 20 years in yet.

Duty doesn't disappear at 20 years.

 

[Mika-El]

Maybe you should ask Tim that question. I am just reporting the facts.

Flak is getting heavier.

The above is a dishonest deflection and it should be familiar. When Trump was asked how Harris turned herself black, he responded by saying ask her.

JMB falsely accuses Walz of misrepresenting his military record and when repeatedly asked for the words he stated that misrepresented his military record JMB could and can not answer and instead says ask, Tim? JMB makes the accusation he can't prove and then says ask Walz to prove my false smear I can't prove? Then he compounds his lack of sincerity and says he just reports the facts...what facts? Where are the facts....where are the words JMB claims exist to prove Walz 's words misrepresented his military record. He has none. All he has is an inference from three words he uses to create a subjective assumption of what the words meant.

 

[Mika-El]

Not that it is any of your business, but I reached high year tenure.

So hear we have someone whose public record is known to all and he himself won't disclose what he claims Walz lied about. Right. Whatever your rank how do you not know Walz would have never been placed in a combat field? How do you not know that? Its the entire basis of you smearing him and claiming he avoided service because he did not want to be at war.

 

[WorldWatcher]

So suppose a guy has political ambitions and an ongoing campaign for political office. Suppose this guy is a member of a National Guard unit, and has been for 18 years. His unit is notified that some elements will be deploying during his campaign.

What can he do to prioritize his campaign over his military duties?

Show that he's running for public office and request a deferment from deployment pending election results.

Then it's up to the NG to review and accept or reject on a case-by-case basis. For example, when did the individual decide to run (before or after notification of deployment), when did the individual file their campaign paperwork (before or after notification of deployment), etc.

WW

 

[RF667799]

Agreed.

The last part is important: "...you agree to the commitment upon graduation."

Walz didn't graduate, so incurred no service obligation for attending.

WW

I think you're both a little off on this, but I'm not exactly sure how the Guard works.

In the Army, you will not be promoted to more senior grades unless you have sufficient time remaining in service. In order to accept a promotion, it might be necessary for the SM to reenlist or extend his enlistment. The SM is obligated to serve that time he willingly accepted as a condition of his promotion.

 

[Mika-El]

Duty doesn't disappear at 20 years.

Stop the semantic bullshit. His obligation to continue serving ended at 20 years at that point his decision to continue serving became discretionary. The term "duty" refers to a legal or moral obligation to continue serving. There was NO legal obligation after the 20th year. There was no moral obligation from day one when he CHOSE to volunteer.

He was not conscripted. He volunteered. How you again do not know this distinction makes no sense if you are a vet.

 

[Mika-El]

Well, I sure as **** am not going to post my DD-214 on a public discussion board.

You can believe what ever you want, but I never shirked my duty or abandoned my unit like Tim Walz did.

No one asked you for specific details of any mission or specifics of all your records. Stop the bullshit. Some of us know what a DD 214 is and why it has nothing to do with asking what rank you were.

 

[Mika-El]

I think you're both a little off on this, but I'm not exactly sure how the Guard works.

In the Army, you will not be promoted to more senior grades unless you have sufficient time remaining in service. In order to accept a promotion, it might be necessary for the SM to reenlist or extend his enlistment. The SM is obligated to serve that time he willingly accepted as a condition of his promotion.

So now you are not sure how the Guard works. Why then do you claim to know about Walz's record based on reading some second hand articles inferring from a few words what his career was and what he said it was?