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[watsup]

You don't understand.
Or..........................you're now taking my statements out of context.

If there is any hypocrisy going on.....................it will be with atheists who pretend to believe God is just a fantasy, and yet show by their responses that they don't really think so.

I’m not taking your statements out of context at all. The truth is that there is no one in this forum who spends more time making negative comments about others in both a personal and general manner as you do. You made every one of those comments instead of staying on the topic, per se. Matthew 7:3-5. Read it.

 

[Revelation]

I’m not taking your statements out of context at all. The truth is that there is no one in this forum who spends more time making negative comments about others in both a personal and general manner as you do. You made every one of those comments instead of staying on the topic, per se. Matthew 7:3-5. Read it.

Matthew 7:3-5 King James Version​

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

 

[tosca1]

I’m not taking your statements out of context at all. The truth is that there is no one in this forum who spends more time making negative comments about others in both a personal and general manner as you do. You made every one of those comments instead of staying on the topic, per se. Matthew 7:3-5. Read it.

@Daisy
@Revelation
@LittleNipper
@Logician Man

Matthew 7:3-5 King James Version​

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.



Again.........you have to put that into context.

If you're going to go by that verse - you'll have to acknowledge that active Christians here, are all doing that!
We're all hypocrites!
Even the Apostles, therefore were hypocrites. Paul admitted that he was still sinning!
And yet, he kept calling people to repent!


I, Daisy, Revelations, LittleNipper, will have to admit........................we're all hypocrites, when we tell atheists that they are sinning.
For isn't rejection of GOD/Christ, a sin?
But we too, are still sinning. No one - not even the devoutest Christian - can say he is without sin!



But our "hypocrisy," - if we can call what we do and say here, a hypocrisy - which I don't think so - isn't like yours.


We are engaged in a forum.
We are engaged in mostly debates.
We expose false teachings - which we are supposed to do!
We are defending our faith. Our belief.
We make judgement - on what is wrong or right - on the basis of what is written.
Discussions can get heated at times.
Frustrations come out.

Lol - even Jesus Christ had shown it!

Matthew 15
15 Peter said, “Explain the parable to us.”
16 “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them.






But what about you?
You presence here doesn't contribute to any discussion.
All you give is a knee-jerk expression that you had given so many tines before...............IN ALL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT BIBLICAL END TIMES PROPHECIES!
WHAT ARE DOING HERE?
WHY ARE YOU HERE? ON THIS THREAD?
WHY DO YOU KEEP FOLLOWING END TIMES THREAD?

You tell me it's isn't real ...............to "get over it."
Why should I?
I believe it!

If there's anyone here who should get over it........................that would be you!
Leave the End Times Thread alone and GET OVER IT!




We must have hit it right on the nail that you're just a nervous nellie.
hahahaha - that's the first argument I see you give that isn't a senseless one-liner.



Your fear isn't about world ending - since even scientists had said, earth will die in the future.
Your fear is, GOD.
The God which you say, is a fantasy.

Our talks of the biblical end times stokes fear in you that our GOD could possibly exist.


End Times is not your boogeyman.
GOD, IS.

 

[tosca1]

I’m not taking your statements out of context at all. The truth is that there is no one in this forum who spends more time making negative comments about others in both a personal and general manner as you do. You made every one of those comments instead of staying on the topic, per se. Matthew 7:3-5. Read it.

@Daisy
@Revelation
@LittleNipper
@Logician Man


continuation................


Again, wouldn't these be a contradiction to Matthew 7: 3-5?
I don't think so.

It's all about context.



1 Tim 5:20
As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.


1 Cor 5:12
For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?


Titus 2:15
Declare these things; exhort and rebuke with all authority. Let no one disregard you.

James 5:20
Let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.


Proverbs 1:23
Faithful are the wounds of a friend; profuse are the kisses of an enemy.


Leviticus 19:17
“You shall not hate your brother in your heart, but you shall reason frankly with your neighbor, lest you incur sin because of him.

 

[redbeer]

Says a member of the Trump cult who evidently supports all of the hate and nastiness that he is spreading, along with his wholesale removal of those programs that support “the least of these”. For those who define themselves as Christians to support such a basically evil person is the height of hypocrisy.

 

[tosca1]

I’m not taking your statements out of context at all. The truth is that there is no one in this forum who spends more time making negative comments about others in both a personal and general manner as you do. You made every one of those comments instead of staying on the topic, per se. Matthew 7:3-5. Read it.

@Daisy
@Revelation
@LittleNipper
@Logician Man


continuation......


Matthew 7 is about how we judge others, with emphasis on line 2.

We are being cautioned on HOW we judge.............and use self-reflections BEFORE we judge.




Matthew 7

Judging Others​

7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.


3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?
5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.


We tend to focus on the MINOR SHORTCOMINGS of others, while neglecting to see our own bigger issue.

 

[redbeer]

Those verses speak of false teachings by spirits that aren't from GOD.
They don't give support to what you seem to be claiming - that there is no longer any Second Coming.
It's not the same as Christ being in us.

The teaching that Jesus has already come, is a false teaching.

Yes, they constantly talk about a "second" coming of Christ, which means they don't/cannot have "Christ in them", else what are they looking for. Proving they are false having the spirit of antichrist.

We're talking about the Second Coming. The Judgment.



2 Thessalonians 2

2 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,[a]
2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.
3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things?

(2Th 2:3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
(2Th 2:4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


Jesus, the apostles, nor the first Christians were not trinitarians and they never raised the Christ of God to God. Look here at this falling away from the truth which occurred in how they believed not the truth, but turned the Christ (Jesus) into God, to them Jesus is God who sits in the temple of God showing himself that he is God......it's nothing other than the trinitarian Jesus.

There is another purpose for Jesus' Second Coming.


7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.
8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.
9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,
10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,
12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[tosca1]

Yes, they constantly talk about a "second" coming of Christ, which means they don't/cannot have "Christ in them",

Don't forget, the HOLY SPIRIT, too.............and GOD, in us.

Lol - add Jesus Christ to them. How many would that be?
Aren't we getting too crowded inside?

else what are they looking for. Proving they are false having the spirit of antichrist.



(2Th 2:3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
(2Th 2:4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Jesus had said, He'll come again. He will be seen when He comes.
Who should we believe? You, or Jesus?

Jesus, the apostles, nor the first Christians were not trinitarians and they never raised the Christ of God to God. Look here at this falling away from the truth which occurred in how they believed not the truth, but turned the Christ (Jesus) into God, to them Jesus is God who sits in the temple of God showing himself that he is God......it's nothing other than the trinitarian Jesus.

That's just your opinion.....and you don't have any basis for it.


here's one:



Matthew 28
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,



You just keep bringing up your old arguments, which have been effectively rebutted. It's boring.



have a nice day.

 

[tosca1]

Yes, they constantly talk about a "second" coming of Christ, which means they don't/cannot have "Christ in them", else what are they looking for. Proving they are false having the spirit of antichrist.



(2Th 2:3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
(2Th 2:4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


Jesus, the apostles, nor the first Christians were not trinitarians and they never raised the Christ of God to God. Look here at this falling away from the truth which occurred in how they believed not the truth, but turned the Christ (Jesus) into God, to them Jesus is God who sits in the temple of God showing himself that he is God......it's nothing other than the trinitarian Jesus.

Here is an argument which I don't think I've ever used before:

If Christ being in us, is the "Second Coming," why did John write extensively about it in the Book of Revelation.......................if Christians - including him - already have Christ in them?

You're saying, we should throw away the Book of Revelation?

 

[tosca1]

"The DAY of The LORD"


The New Testament calls it a day of “wrath,” a day of “visitation,” and the “great day of God Almighty” (Revelation 16:14) and refers to a still future fulfillment when God’s wrath is poured out on unbelieving Israel (Isaiah 22; Jeremiah 30:1-17; Joel 1-2; Amos 5; Zephaniah 1) and on the unbelieving world (Ezekiel 38–39; Zechariah 14).
The Scriptures indicate that “the day of the Lord” will come quickly, like a thief in the night (Zephaniah 1:14-15; 1 Thessalonians 5:2), and therefore Christians must be watchful and ready for the coming of Christ at any moment.

Besides being a time of judgment, it will also be a time of salvation as God will deliver the remnant of Israel, fulfilling His promise that “all of Israel will be saved” (Romans 11:26), forgiving their sins and
restoring His chosen people to the land He promised to Abraham (Isaiah 10:27; Jeremiah 30:19-31, 40; Micah 4; Zechariah 13).
The final outcome of the day of the Lord will be that “the arrogance of man will be brought low and the pride of men humbled; the Lord alone will be exalted in that day” (Isaiah 2:17).

The ultimate or final fulfillment of the prophecies concerning the day of the Lord will come at the end of history when God, with wondrous power, will punish evil and fulfill all His promises.

What is the day of the Lord? | GotQuestions.org

What is the day of the Lord? Is the day of the Lord a specific event or a period of time?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[redbeer]

Don't forget, the HOLY SPIRIT, too.............and GOD, in us.

Lol - add Jesus Christ to them. How many would that be?
Aren't we getting too crowded inside?


Jesus had said, He'll come again. He will be seen when He comes.
Who should we believe? You, or Jesus?



That's just your opinion.....and you don't have any basis for it.


here's one:

Matthew 28
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

You just keep bringing up your old arguments, which have been effectively rebutted. It's boring.

have a nice day.

If Christ be in you, who or what are you looking for?

Do you only say Christ is in you, because it's written and have not the witness of His Spirit to your spirit?

Jesus is our High Priest after the order of Melchizedek and the Father is our God. Trinitarianism raises this High Priest, our Lord Jesus to being God, where he sits in the temple claiming to be God.....it's in your doctrine.

We should follow Jesus and have the same God as he.....

 

[tosca1]

If Christ be in you, who or what are you looking for?

Do you only say Christ is in you, because it's written and have not the witness of His Spirit to your spirit?

Jesus is our High Priest after the order of Melchizedek and the Father is our God. Trinitarianism raises this High Priest, our Lord Jesus to being God, where he sits in the temple claiming to be God.....it's in your doctrine.

We should follow Jesus and have the same God as he.....

Have a nice day, my dear brother.

 

[redbeer]

Here is an argument which I don't think I've ever used before:

If Christ being in us, is the "Second Coming," why did John write extensively about it in the Book of Revelation.......................if Christians - including him - already have Christ in them?

You're saying, we should throw away the Book of Revelation?

"Second Coming" is an invented phrase. Doing a search it shows up "0" times, but doing a search on "second time" this comes up:


(Heb 9:28) So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Keep reading into the 10th chapter as it gets very interesting.


(Heb 10:9) Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
(Heb 10:10) By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
(Heb 10:11) And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
(Heb 10:12) But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;


(Heb 10:16) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
(Heb 10:17) And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

(Jer 31:33) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
(Jer 31:34) And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

1st Covenant
2nd Covenant

1st Coming--a sacrifice for sin
2nd Time---without sin unto salvation

Jesus' return a second time is through and by God's Spirit with great power and glory to put His law in our inward parts and on our hearts, not like the first.


(Heb 10:15) Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

(Rom 8:15) For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
(Rom 8:16) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

 

[watsup]

Here is an argument which I don't think I've ever used before:

If Christ being in us, is the "Second Coming," why did John write extensively about it in the Book of Revelation.......................if Christians - including him - already have Christ in them?

You're saying, we should throw away the Book of Revelation?

If Christ be in you, who or what are you looking for?

Do you only say Christ is in you, because it's written and have not the witness of His Spirit to your spirit?

Jesus is our High Priest after the order of Melchizedek and the Father is our God. Trinitarianism raises this High Priest, our Lord Jesus to being God, where he sits in the temple claiming to be God.....it's in your doctrine.

We should follow Jesus and have the same God as he.....

“Believers” arguing about which of their myths and superstitions are actually the correct ones. It’s been this way for a couple of millennia now.

 

[watsup]

"Second Coming" is an invented phrase. Doing a search it shows up "0" times, but doing a search on "second time" this comes up:


(Heb 9:28) So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Keep reading into the 10th chapter as it gets very interesting.


(Heb 10:9) Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
(Heb 10:10) By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
(Heb 10:11) And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
(Heb 10:12) But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;


(Heb 10:16) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
(Heb 10:17) And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

(Jer 31:33) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
(Jer 31:34) And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

1st Covenant
2nd Covenant

1st Coming--a sacrifice for sin
2nd Time---without sin unto salvation

Jesus' return a second time is through and by God's Spirit with great power and glory to put His law in our inward parts and on our hearts, not like the first.


(Heb 10:15) Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

(Rom 8:15) For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
(Rom 8:16) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

See post #89.

 

[redbeer]

“Believers” arguing about which of their myths and superstitions are actually the correct ones. It’s been this way for a couple of millennia now.

Yeah, that's true, just as there has always been the unbelievers mocking others faith.....seems things never change, huh?

 

[watsup]

Yeah, that's true, just as there has always been the unbelievers mocking others faith.....seems things never change, huh?

Tell ya what, just as soon as you believers can come to an agreement as to which dogma and doctrines are the ones that are “true” as opposed to all the others, then I will consider taking a closer look. I see no need to do so as long as you all cannot agree on this. I suppose that I shall be waiting a very long time since it has been at least two millennia already.
And yes, I am “mocking” (just like Tosca accused me) the believers who can’t even agree on what is proper to believe. Get back to me when you all have it all figured out.

 

[watsup]

But what about you?
You presence here doesn't contribute to any discussion.
All you give is a knee-jerk expression that you had given so many tines before...............IN ALL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT BIBLICAL END TIMES PROPHECIES!
WHAT ARE DOING HERE?
WHY ARE YOU HERE? ON THIS THREAD?
WHY DO YOU KEEP FOLLOWING END TIMES THREAD?

You tell me it's isn't real ...............to "get over it."
Why should I?
I believe it!

Have you still have not read the title of the forum in which this thread is located? How many times have I told you that if you don’t want negative feedback regarding the topic, then post it in “Theology” where atheists are not allowed to intrude in the discussion regarding believer difference in the myth and superstition of their dogma and doctrines.

We must have hit it right on the nail that you're just a nervous nellie.

Yet more mocking from you, as always.

Your fear is, GOD.

Actually, that is your fear. I have no fear of figments of imagination.

Our talks of the biblical end times stokes fear in you that our GOD could possibly exist.

See my statement directly above.

End Times is not your boogeyman.
GOD, IS.

Sorry, still not a believer in your particular myths and superstitions, nor in any other ones from any other religion. Which one is “true” and how do you know?

 

[redbeer]

Tell ya what, just as soon as you believers can come to an agreement as to which dogma and doctrines are the ones that are “true” as opposed to all the others, then I will consider taking a closer look. I see no need to do so as long as you all cannot agree on this. I suppose that I shall be waiting a very long time since it has been at least two millennia already.
And yes, I am “mocking” (just like Tosca accused me) the believers who can’t even agree on what is proper to believe. Get back to me when you all have it all figured out.

No, you wouldn't, just as the religious leaders of Jesus' time, who had the law and Moses were not inspired to believe even if one rose from the dead, so you will not. Your argument is weak for there are literally thousands of things people cannot agree, have varying opinions and beliefs.....your wait might be longer than you had hoped.

 

[Logician Man]

@Daisy
@Revelation
@LittleNipper
@Logician Man

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End Times is not your boogeyman.
GOD, IS.

And there you have it folks for each poster to see for him/herself. @tosca1 has now declared the Christian God to be a "fictitious creature that frightens children".​

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BOOGEYMAN Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster​

Boogeyman is a noun that means a fictitious or imaginary creature that frightens children.

 

[Gordy327]

And there you have it folks for each poster to see for him/herself. @tosca1 has now declared the Christian God to be a "fictitious creature that frightens children".​

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BOOGEYMAN Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster​

Boogeyman is a noun that means a fictitious or imaginary creature that frightens children.

Why would anyone worship a boogeyman? Strange!

 

[watsup]

No, you wouldn't, just as the religious leaders of Jesus' time, who had the law and Moses were not inspired to believe even if one rose from the dead, so you will not. Your argument is weak for there are literally thousands of things people cannot agree, have varying opinions and beliefs.....your wait might be longer than you had hoped.

Do you are correct about the dogma and doctrine but those with whom you have been arguing are not? How do you know that?

 

[tosca1]

And there you have it folks for each poster to see for him/herself. @tosca1 has now declared the Christian God to be a "fictitious creature that frightens children".​

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BOOGEYMAN Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster​

Boogeyman is a noun that means a fictitious or imaginary creature that frightens children.

Watsup's boogeyman.

That's what watsup thinks of God........................right?


Editing my post to take it out of context?
OH, BOY................

 

[Revelation]

And there you have it folks for each poster to see for him/herself. @tosca1 has now declared the Christian God to be a "fictitious creature that frightens children".​

​

BOOGEYMAN Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster​

Boogeyman is a noun that means a fictitious or imaginary creature that frightens children.

LOL mr Logic

you need to start with the Fear of God is what she is saying.

how is your Fear going today my friend?

Tosca is good at cleaning yur clock, please visit often and see what she can do for you.


God Moves In California: Mass Baptisms Challenge The Woke Narrative'Jesus Christ is working again from the beaches of California, awakening a generation, uniting the church to reach the ends of the earth,'

Logic, ready for Revival yet? start with the Fear of God my friend. it takes a first step


.

 

[redbeer]

Do you are correct about the dogma and doctrine but those with whom you have been arguing are not? How do you know that?

Probably the same thing as democrats and republicans arguing over stoopid stuff......chevy over ford.....ying and yang.....and thousands of other examples. Your argument holds no weight and it looks like you don't understand human nature.