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Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

danielpalos

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I believe we need to advance fusion power, it could not only help our environment, but could also enable scale economies so vital to more developed political-economies.

http://www.wunderground.com/news/crude-oil-spills-ohio-nature-preserve-20140320

 
At least it was American crude. Some want us to spill Canadian tar sands crap all over too.

Newsflash: When you don't transport oil by pipeline, you transport it by truck and boat, both of which actually spill more. When you don't allow oil exploration in the States or encourage it in the West, then it happens in the Gulf and other places, where the environmental policies are less strict to the extent that they are even there (how much do you think that the Chinese operating in Sudan care about protecting the local environment?). If you want to reduce pollution from oil, then you need to start promoting Western development and pipeline transportation.
 

Let the Canadians spill their oil for China on their own soil. Why won't they allow a pipeline to their West Coast? Because they are not greedy fools like some here.
 

Dude, it is a fossil fuel. We could be advancing fusion and not have this particular problem any more. What is petroleum going do do about desalinating ocean water, for potable purposes or providing power to advances in laser boring methods?
 
Let the Canadians spill their oil for China on their own soil. Why won't they allow a pipeline to their West Coast? Because they are not greedy fools like some here.

:doh what part of "we are still going to consume the oil" is too complex, here? If you don't let a pipeline bring it down, it's going to be put on trucks or boats, either of which spill more.
 
:doh what part of "we are still going to consume the oil" is too complex, here? If you don't let a pipeline bring it down, it's going to be put on trucks or boats, either of which spill more.

Hence why I have a Cause to advance, in this very thread.
 
Dude, it is a fossil fuel. We could be advancing fusion and not have this particular problem any more. What is petroleum going do do about desalinating ocean water, for potable purposes or providing power to advances in laser boring methods?

All great points. Myself, I think having unicorns run on wheels made out of solid rainbows is looking pretty promising, too. We could even breed super-small unicorns to power your home kitchen appliances.

Until that works out, however, we are stuck with fossil fuel. Wishful thinking is not an adequate replacement for thorough planning and appreciation of the limitations of reality.
 
:doh what part of "we are still going to consume the oil" is too complex, here? If you don't let a pipeline bring it down, it's going to be put on trucks or boats, either of which spill more.

The tar sands oil is for EXPORT. We don't have a use for it. We are already exporting 400,000 barrels a day of gasoline.
 

It's not about the environment. It's about government control of the prvate sector.

It's never been about the environment...

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The tar sands oil is for EXPORT. We don't have a use for it. We are already exporting 400,000 barrels a day of gasoline.

No, it is for refinement. Oil is fungible.
 
The tar sands oil is for EXPORT. We don't have a use for it. We are already exporting 400,000 barrels a day of gasoline.

Building the pipeline will create jobs
 
Hence why I have a Cause to advance, in this very thread.

Apropos, perhaps:

 
No, it is for refinement. Oil is fungible.

And why exactly should we take all the risks of the pipeline and pollution from refining that goop? All the gasoline made from it will be exported. As I said we have no use for it.
 
The tar sands oil is for EXPORT. We don't have a use for it. We are already exporting 400,000 barrels a day of gasoline.


Yes, because "energy prices necessarily skyrocketing" is exactly what you want. Right?
 
And why exactly should we take all the risks of the pipeline and pollution from refining that goop?
Is your goal to reduce pollution?
 
Yes, because "energy prices necessarily skyrocketing" is exactly what you want. Right?

Tar sands oil is only viable when oil is > $100 a barrel. It is the most expensive oil on the planet.
 
Just pointing out - and it's me doing it, and I generally oppose ad sourcinem - but RT America is actually owned and run by the Russian state.

No sweat, bro...

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Tar sands oil is only viable when oil is > $100 a barrel. It is the most expensive oil on the planet.

Well then, maybe we should be allowed to exploit our own more accessible resources....Nah....You don't want that either....
 
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