shuamort said:Not to hijack this thread..but....
Should this ten commandment hold the same weight as the other? Should taking "the Lord's name in vain" be as equal an offense as murder in the eyes of a Jew or a Christian?
Bible said:A man who has kept the Law as a whole, but has failed to keep some one command, has become guilty of violating all.
shuamort said:Not to hijack this thread..but....
Should this ten commandment hold the same weight as the other? Should taking "the Lord's name in vain" be as equal an offense as murder in the eyes of a Jew or a Christian?
Apostle13 said:Yes! Absolutely!!
Bible said:A man who has kept the Law as a whole, but has failed to keep some one command, has become guilty of violating all.
In accordance to The Law(biblical), even to hate is to murder, to lust is to commit adultery, and to offend a child's innocence is a more harsh and reserved judgment, so I wouldn't be quick to go there in thought/jest. Besides, you are not being funny I dare say to most here.The Real McCoy said:Well, I'm screwed then. Since I'm already guilty of murder, I think I'll just go grab a gun and kill as many people as I can and then ask for forgivness. Hey, while I'm at it, maybe I'll rape a few little girls too.
Apostle13 said:In accordance to The Law(biblical), even to hate is to murder, to lust is to commit adultery, and to offend a child's innocence is a more harsh and reserved judgment, so I wouldn't be quick to go there in thought/jest. Besides, you are not being funny I dare say to most here.
Apostle13 said:The Good News is Jesus died so that we can be free of the law.
...But you know it is your prerogative as whether to accept that or not and just go on with your bad self... It's called Free will.
I have a lot of doubt about those who claim to KNOW. A lot of religious teachings are worth believing, but that is as far as it goes.The Real McCoy said:Wasn't trying to be funny, just trying to illustrate a point.
No, I don't "know" that. What makes you any different than the billion+ Muslims who "know" Mohammed was God's ultimate prophet and spoke His word? You say you "know" the truth, they also say they "know the truth. I see no difference.
UtahBill said:I have a lot of doubt about those who claim to KNOW. A lot of religious teachings are worth believing, but that is as far as it goes.
Of course, many have a more lenient definition of the word "know".
Therefore, I am free from the law and yet not above it.The Bible said:Jesus said, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
Apostle13 said:I do know the truth.
Fair enough.The Real McCoy said:Wasn't trying to be funny, just trying to illustrate a point.
We are all different. I am most certainly no exception. Your soul is your own responsibility, as is mine, my own. As a child I knew the truth and even still, I strayed far from it as a young adult. In all my years astray I never denied God nor His Son (The Truth). Neither did I return to Him of my own free will... Instead, I just went my own way, in my own strength. When suddenly my strength was gone and death was knocking down my door. Then once again The Truth came to Life within me.No, I don't "know" that. What makes you any different than the billion+ Muslims who "know" Mohammed was God's ultimate prophet and spoke His word? You say you "know" the truth, they also say they "know the truth. I see no difference.
Because He Lives! I Live also!The Bible said:Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me.
Apostle13 said:As a child I knew the truth
Apostle13 said:and even still, I strayed far from it as a young adult. In all my years astray I never denied God nor His Son (The Truth). Neither did I return to Him of my own free will... Instead, I just went my own way, in my own strength. When suddenly my strength was gone and death was knocking down my door. Then once again The Truth came to Life within me.
Because He Lives! I Live also!
The Real McCoy said:And Abu Ali Muhab whatshisname knew the truth.
Same story except replace you with "Abu Ali Muhab whatshisname" and replace "His Son" (Christ) with "His Prophet" (Mohammed).
Apostle13 said:Jesus is alive.
Mohamed is dead.
Generalized religion is not a premise for debate.
Neither am I religious.
The Real McCoy said:You say Jesus is alive and that He is "the Truth" but you then go on to say you aren't religious... Interesting.
shuamort said:Not to hijack this thread..but....
Should this ten commandment hold the same weight as the other? Should taking "the Lord's name in vain" be as equal an offense as murder in the eyes of a Jew or a Christian?
Che said:Just the other day I was with a christian friend and I gave money to a homeless guy on the street. He said aren't you atheist? Why are you giving money? Don't Atheists not have morals? (Not exactly tthat but meaning the same thing.)
The Real McCoy said:Yea, seems like a lot of Christians cling to the notion that they have an exclusive patent on morality.
Although this is probably true of most any religion.
Che said:The thing that strikes me about Christianity is that those who preach about being good to the lord and following the commandments still break alot of the commandments. Then they go around talking about how they are divine for accepting our savior etc... Just the other day I was with a christian friend and I gave money to a homeless guy on the street. He said aren't you atheist? Why are you giving money? Don't Atheists not have morals? (Not exactly tthat but meaning the same thing.)
Apostle13 said:It' nobody's story but my own... It is my testimony without detail. I lived it and thru it. You can doubt it, discount it, or flat out call me a liar just for having shared it. Makes no matter to me. If I say I know I say it as an absolute by definition. If someone really knows then no one can take it from them, neither cast doubt within them. No... Not if they know.
Jesus is alive.
Mohamed is dead.
Generalized religion is not a premise for debate.
Neither am I religious.
It doesn't.tecoyah said:Well....I "KNOW" Jesus was just a man, Jehovah, yehovah, Yaweh, JHVH, YHVH, or YHWH...are not God.....and blinders do not allow for a complete view. How does it feel to have someone else claim they "Know" the truth.
By what authority/right have you that you could even begin to judge me?You may be a preacher....but you are far from God.
The Bible said:Therefore, since through God's mercy we have this ministry, we do not lose heart. Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. For we do not preach ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness,"made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.
But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us. We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed; perplexed, but not in despair; persecuted, but not abandoned; struck down, but not destroyed.
NIV 2 Corinthians 4: 1-9UtahBill said:Originally Posted by The Bible
Therefore, since through God's mercy we have this ministry, we do not lose heart. Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. For we do not preach ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness,"made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.
But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us. We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed; perplexed, but not in despair; persecuted, but not abandoned; struck down, but not destroyed.
Pray tell, what distorted version of the Bible is that from?
Salvation is of the heart not the mind. We are to renew our minds in accordance to God's Word.A person with blinders on is usually the last to know that he has blinders on, and often never knows. He glories in his ignorance. It is so much easier than attempting to use the brains that God gave us.
Apostle13 said:Salvation is of the heart not the mind. We are to renew our minds in accordance to God's Word.
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