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I can understand some of your points here, but my concern is that Trump is building a legal foundation to impose his will, and his will alone, on the American people using the force of our military.That's fair. You aren't a liar. You are delusional, and refuse to accept information that doesn't confirm a worst-case scenario.
It is true that someone injured three officers with a molotov cocktail, however, you are ignoring the people hurling bricks and cinder blocks, as well as the ones setting vehicles ablaze, and finding other ways to physically impede law enforcement through violence and the threat of violence.
No, I think you are confusing them with "protest".
That depends on what you mean by "Trump's will". If by that you mean "Trump's political preferences", then yes, you are correct.
If, however, you mean "violent mobs don't get to attack federal law enforcement officials or federal property", then no, you are incorrect.
For example, the people of Alabama - led by their governor - stood up in opposition to federal law about desegregation.... and the President sent the military in to impose the law upon them nonetheless.
Now the people of LA - led by their governor - are standing up in opposition to federal law about immigration... and the President is sending in the military to protect federal law enforcement and property from violence against them as a result.
Yes. He is the Commander in Chief and gets to do that sort of thing. Mark that high on the long list of reasons why we should stop electing the incompetent and non compos mentis to that position.
It has already been cited and quoted for you, and you chose to ignore it; presumably either because it did not comport with the more hysterical takes you preferred, or you are so unable to deal with cognitive dissonance that you cannot accept information that challenges a tribal narrative.
However, it remains the fact that Trump has not dictated that "the US military be turned against the citizens", just as it remains the fact that, when Trump abuses his authority, I'm fine attacking it (again, the fun thing about this place is that it has a search function - feel free to use it on this question)
As stated: I wasn't willing to give up my ability to apply independent reason or my honesty to defend the GOP when it chose to support Trump, and, I'm not going to give up those things to pretend like every policy decision he makes is Literally Hitler, either.
No, He doesn't. It is illegal for the military to enforce domestic law. What's going on now is only legally possible if he invokes the Insurrection Act, which he hasn't done yet.
Someone is a bit out of date.
Kristi Noem urged Pete Hegseth and US military to arrest LA rioters
The Homeland Security secretary asked Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth to deploy the military in LA to arrest "lawbreakers."www.newsweek.com
Yes, I'm sure the public ignored his involvement in January 6th because... he was convicted in a complicated fraud case in 2024.
Yeah? So what would happen? The SCOTUS has made him immune from any criminal prosecutions for anything that he even remotely ties to any official duty; he can barely be investigated for any potential crimes.
Congress, which refused to throw him out of office over January 6, certainly won't impeach him.
Seriously, what do you think should be done if he did arrest Newsom?
The left has not tried anything even REMOTELY like what Dear Leader is pulling right now.
For example, it is SCREAMINGLY obvious that Democrats repeatedly engaged in peaceful transfers of power, even when they suspected -- rightly -- that Dictator Don was going to try and undermine democracy.
Do you really not understand that you don't take steps to concentrate as much political power as possible in the Presidency, if you plan to peacefully transfer power to the opposition when they win elections?
The ACTUAL illegal abuses are happening right now.
By the way, if inaccurate hysterics turns people off, then why hasn't the constant stream of histrionic lies spouted by the right turn people off from Trump and Republicans?
Yes, because calmly sitting on your hands while the dictator keeps stepping over the line is surely the best way to defend democracy....
Oh wait, that doesn't work at all. It just normalizes the autocratic behavior, and encourages yet more line-stepping. In case you haven't noticed, appeasement doesn't work.
I like military spectacles and colorful scenes showing our strength to the world. Must be the ex-military and patriotic side of me that is proud of my country and scornful of those rioting ba**ards in L.A., Chicago, Dallas, and NYC who only care about defying national authority.He doesn't yet have the authority to cancel mid-terms. LA is a precursor. Trump is just getting started.
No alarmist, but yes the idea of creating a path toward madness and national discord is alarming. Who the hell is going to stop him? Congress? The Supreme Court? Never happen.
Saturday I'll be at the No Kings demonstration where most Americans loyal to democracy should be.
But you go ahead on to the 50 million dollar Trump parade. I read that Trump will be throwing rolls of paper towels to the crowd.
I can understand some of your points here, but my concern is that Trump is building a legal foundation to impose his will, and his will alone, on the American people using the force of our military.
Trump did not (yet) invoke the Insurrection Act, but his memo declares that he doesn’t have to, that he can deploy the military on American soil without any constraint.
I like military spectacles and colorful scenes showing our strength to the world. Must be the ex-military and patriotic side of me that is proud of my country and scornful of those rioting ba**ards in L.A., Chicago, Dallas, and NYC who only care about defying national authority.
I hope there are detention facilities large enough to hold thousands of anarchists and nihilists whose lives will be forever ruined because choice to defy ICE officers and local police in major cities.
Democrats also consistently underestimate how popular things like finally dealing with illegal immigration are.
if liberals (meaning, people dedicated to classic liberal assumptions about governance) refuse to enforce the law, eventually people will vote for authoritarians who will.
I understand he is the duly elected POTUS. He just needs to behave like one, including staying within the bounds of the law, which he seems incapable of doing. We elected a President of the United States, not a king or autocrat. When he plays a role for which he was NOT elected, he should be admonished/censured or impeached, if it comes to that. My point was not about him being a President, it was about him trying to become an autocrat. Do you not get the distinction?I get the sense that you really don't care for the duly elected president of the United States.
Sorry the entire 2024 electoral process didn't turn out to your liking. Really, no I'm not sorry.
Says that man that lives in a conspiratorial world where US elections are rigged, Trump is an innocent man wrongfully prosecuted and the world is run by "global elitists"..... A man who could not back up one iota of his belief system, yet wants to believe it anyway. You believe utter nonsense, yet when confronted with actual truth, you can't handle it.Utter nonsense.
Bye.
Yes, I understand the Democrats are slobbering all over themselves with the prospect of winning back the House so they can start the impeachment process in 2026.I understand he is the duly elected POTUS. He just needs to behave like one, including staying within the bounds of the law, which he seems incapable of doing. We elected a President of the United States, not a king or autocrat. When he plays a role for which he was NOT elected, he should be admonished/censured or impeached, if it comes to that. My point was not about him being a President, it was about him trying to become an autocrat. Do you not get the distinction?
Yes, I understand the Democrats are slobbering all over themselves with the prospect of winning back the House so they can start the impeachment process in 2026.
Heaven knows they have a lot to work with.
Gives them something to look forward to regardless if they have a plan or a leader in the party.
Do you mean Marshall Law or "De facto Marshall Law ?This morning, Trump declared defacto martial law.
Department of Defense Security for the Protection of Department of Homeland Security Functions
MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE THE ATTORNEY GENERALwww.whitehouse.gov
He now is following through on what he said before the election, that he would turn the military against his political opponents. Do you support it, yes or no?
What we see in LA is that the president is wielding the military to deprive us of our right to protest.To be honest, I don't expect the Democrats to win back either House or Senate in the upcoming mid-terms.
They are trying to do their best, with the help of most of the leftist Media, to frame Trump's actions in the very worst light possible. It's not working.
The problem is with the fact that the Democrats are acting in such an overtly anti-American, pro-foreign migrant way that even legal immigrants support President Trump's actions to deport these illegal migrants. Meanwhile, despite the Left's control over most media outlets, people can see with their own eyes what is really going on, and are not swayed by the obvious lies and intentional misrepresentations of fact.
I think the Democrats have hitched their wagons to a highly unpopular situation and will suffer in the mid-terms. Time will tell.
protest all you want just don't destroy property or get in the way of the authorities doing their jobsWhat we see in LA is that the president is wielding the military to deprive us of our right to protest.
We might never have another free election in the United States.
Don’t you get it? It doesn’t matter what you or I think, anymore. Donald Trump forces his personal will on everyone, using our military.protest all you want just don't destroy property or get in the way of the authorities doing their jobs
not hard to understand
Major General Scott Sherman said the military will be detaining US citizens. That’s defacto martial law.Do you mean Marshall Law or "De facto Marshall Law ?
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De facto martial law refers to a situation where military control is exercised over civilian governance without formal legal declaration or authority. It typically occurs in times of crisis, such as civil unrest or emergencies, where military forces effectively replace civilian law enforcement and governance, even if not officially recognized as martial law.
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Will all the Mostly Peaceful Protest burning Chit down, and the Gov of CA siding with the CRIMINALS who are protesting
US Immigration Authorities enforcing US Immigration Laws "IS CAUSE" for The President to protect the US Citizens in CA !
Major General Scott Sherman said the military will be detaining US citizens. That’s defacto martial law.
People who are committing Crimes and trying to stop Legal Law enforcement!Major General Scott Sherman said the military will be detaining US citizens. That’s defacto martial law.
Trump told all Americans that if they protest his Birthday/Dictator military Charade he will come down hard on them. It look like we might be at war with Iran soon. Do you think it is right to have our army sucking Trump's dick while we are at war?Are you an illegal alien?
Support? Only loosely.This morning, Trump declared defacto martial law.
Department of Defense Security for the Protection of Department of Homeland Security Functions
MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE THE ATTORNEY GENERALwww.whitehouse.gov
He now is following through on what he said before the election, that he would turn the military against his political opponents. Do you support it, yes or no?
These liberals do not understand anything but the lies they are told by their masters. Good luck with any reason.I think you should look up the definition of terms before you start tossing them around. You can start with "martial law".
Then maybe the rioters should stop rebelling!Read the memo. He says the sec def can deploy any number of active duty military from any branch to anywhere in the US.
What raids?Here is the relevent part of the memo:
And remember, most of the raids are being conducted without warrants, without 4th amendment protections, without court permissions. And now, should any citizens object to these violations, the military is there to make sure they remain silent.
Be patient. They're coming after you soon enough.
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