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[Master PO]

I am wanting for you to tell me Madison and the federalist are irrelevant because they dont fit into your agenda

thats a common tool of yours to dismiss any fact which you dont like

 

[haymarket]

I am wanting for you to tell me Madison and the federalist are irrelevant because they dont fit into your agenda

thats a common tool of yours to dismiss any fact which you dont like

The quote you provided does not have Madison saying that Senators represent the state legislature and not the people. That is why it is irrelevant.

I will be gone for several hours. In the meantime I would appreciate an answer to the question : Do you agree that since the adoption of the 17th Amendment, Senators represent the people and NOT the state legislature regardless if they ever did or not?

 

[haymarket]

proved over and over!

Its a yes or no question - there is nothing to prove.

 

[Master PO]

Its a yes or no question - there is nothing to prove.

proved what i have said from the beginning, what more can be said?

 

[Master PO]

The quote you provided does not have Madison saying that Senators represent the state legislature and not the people. That is why it is irrelevant.

I will be gone for several hours. In the meantime I would appreciate an answer to the question : Do you agree that since the adoption of the 17th Amendment, Senators represent the people and NOT the state legislature regardless if they ever did or not?

James Madison is very clear the by appointing the senators, it shall give the state governments an agency within the federal government.

i agree that the senators represent the people because of the 17th

 

[Lakryte]

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[haymarket]

James Madison is very clear the by appointing the senators, it shall give the state governments an agency within the federal government.

i agree that the senators represent the people because of the 17th

Again, Madison simply is mentioning the reality of the appointment. He says nothing about your claim that Senators represent the state legislature and do NOT represent the people.

Do you agree that since the adoption of the 17th Amendment, Senators represent the people and NOT the state legislature regardless if they ever did or not?

 

[Master PO]

Again, Madison simply is mentioning the reality of the appointment. He says nothing about your claim that Senators represent the state legislature and do NOT represent the people.

Do you agree that since the adoption of the 17th Amendment, Senators represent the people and NOT the state legislature regardless if they ever did or not?

wrong!....... as you always are


Federalist 62
The Senate

Independent Journal
Wednesday, February 27, 1788
[James Madison]


Federalist 62- It is recommended by the double advantage of favoring a select appointment, and of giving to the State governments such an agency in the formation of the federal government as must secure the authority of the former, and may form a convenient link between the two systems.

Translation:
its very clear from what Madison says....by appointment of the senator, this will give to the state governments and agency..... [the capacity, condition, or state of acting or of exerting power] inside the formation of the federal government that being the senate


i answered your question in post #630

Definition of agency
plural agencies
1
a : the office or function of an agent
b : the relationship between a principal and that person's agent
2
: the capacity, condition, or state of acting or of exerting power : operation
3
: a person or thing through which power is exerted or an end is achieved : instrumentality <communicated through the agency of the ambassador>
4
: an establishment engaged in doing business for another <an advertising agency>
5
: an administrative division (as of a government) <the agency for consumer protection>


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/agency

 

[haymarket]

wrong!....... as you always are


Federalist 62
The Senate

Independent Journal
Wednesday, February 27, 1788
[James Madison]


Federalist 62- It is recommended by the double advantage of favoring a select appointment, and of giving to the State governments such an agency in the formation of the federal government as must secure the authority of the former, and may form a convenient link between the two systems.

Translation:

As always - when you use the word TRANSLATION you know the wheels are coming off the locomotive and its about to dive head first into 300 foot ravine crashing hard on the rocks underneath the trestle.

I notice you are afraid to answer the simple question fearing that somewhat there is a trap in it which will cause even you to realize you were outfoxed.

But in case you have bolstered your courage in the last 24 hours and feel braver now - I ask again hoping for a clear answer

Do you agree that since the adoption of the 17th Amendment, Senators represent the people and NOT the state legislature regardless if they ever did or not?

 

[Master PO]

As always - when you use the word TRANSLATION you know the wheels are coming off the locomotive and its about to dive head first into 300 foot ravine crashing hard on the rocks underneath the trestle.

I notice you are afraid to answer the simple question fearing that somewhat there is a trap in it which will cause even you to realize you were outfoxed.

But in case you have bolstered your courage in the last 24 hours and feel braver now - I ask again hoping for a clear answer

Do you agree that since the adoption of the 17th Amendment, Senators represent the people and NOT the state legislature regardless if they ever did or not?

federalist 62 - by the double advantage of favoring a select appointment, and of giving to the State governments such an agency in the formation of the federal government
:2razz:
key words---->giving to the State governments

 

[Master PO]

Do you agree that since the adoption of the 17th Amendment, Senators represent the people and NOT the state legislature regardless if they ever did or not?

please refer to post 630

 

[haymarket]

please refer to post 630

here was your answer

i agree that the senators represent the people because of the 17th

So you agree then that since the 17th, US Senators represent the people of the state and not the legislature of the state. Is that correct?

 

[Master PO]

here was your answer



So you agree then that since the 17th, US Senators represent the people of the state and not the legislature of the state. Is that correct?

her it is again for you: i agree that the senators represent the people because of the 17th

oh and lets not forget this:

Federalist 62 - by the double advantage of favoring a select appointment, and of giving to the State governments such an agency in the formation of the federal government

key words---->giving to the State governments

amazing the state governments are given a the capacity, condition, or state of acting or of exerting power inside the federal government

 

[haymarket]

her it is again for you: i agree that the senators represent the people because of the 17th

And how could they NOT represent the people before the 17th since the people comprise the state?

 

[Master PO]

And how could they NOT represent the people before the 17th since the people comprise the state?

federalist 62 - by the double advantage of favoring a select appointment, and of giving to the State governments such an agency in the formation of the federal government


Translation:by the state governments the appointing the senators, this is giving to the state governments the capacity, condition, or state of acting or of exerting power inside the formation of the federal government


there is no way you can get around the words," state governments", them having power inside the federal government, so your only course of action Haymarket is to declare as you always do when confronted by truth, is to say" its irrelevant"

but my point has been proved many times over and anyone reading this thread can see that.

 

[haymarket]

federalist 62 - by the double advantage of favoring a select appointment, and of giving to the State governments such an agency in the formation of the federal government


Translation:by the state governments the appointing the senators, this is giving to the state governments the capacity, condition, or state of acting or of exerting power inside the formation of the federal government


there is no way you can get around the words," state governments", them having power inside the federal government, so your only course of action Haymarket is to declare as you always do when confronted by truth, is to say" its irrelevant"

but my point has been proved many times over and anyone reading this thread can see that.

You did NOT answer the question and again left the rails and crashed when you started with the word TRANSLATION again giving us your opinion and nothing else..

So you agree then that since the 17th, US Senators represent the people of the state and not the legislature of the state. Is that correct?

 

[Master PO]

You did NOT answer the question.

So you agree then that since the 17th, US Senators represent the people of the state and not the legislature of the state. Is that correct?

here is the answer to your question from post #630

i agree that the senators represent the people because of the 17th

 

[Master PO]

You did NOT answer the question and again left the rails and crashed when you started with the word TRANSLATION again giving us your opinion and nothing else..

So you agree then that since the 17th, US Senators represent the people of the state and not the legislature of the state. Is that correct?

you are never going to get around the words - "state governments" .......acting or of exerting power inside the formation of the federal government

 

[haymarket]

you are never going to get around the words - "state governments" .......acting or of exerting power inside the formation of the federal government

state government represent the people who comprise the state. You cannot deny that nor get around that.

A simple question for you

You have already agreed that with the arrival of the 17th Amendment all Senators represent the people.

What about the ones after the 17th Amendment who were not elected by the people? Do they still represent the people?

 

[Master PO]

state government represent the people who comprise the state. You cannot deny that nor get around that.

"state governments" .......acting or of exerting power inside the formation of the federal governmentyou cannot get around that...... your attempts at using my words "get around that" is flattering to me.....

A simple question for you

You have already agreed that with the arrival of the 17th Amendment all Senators represent the people.

What about the ones after the 17th Amendment who were not elected by the people? Do they still represent the people?

by 1907 some senators were being elected by direct referendum of the people, the 17th makes it an election of the people

can you tell me what states are not direct electing senators after the 17th?

 

[haymarket]

by 1907 some senators were being elected by direct referendum of the people, the 17th makes it an election of the people

can you tell me what states are not direct electing senators after the 17th?

Senators who were appointed rather than elected. Did they represent the PEOPLE or the entity which appointed them?

 

[Master PO]

Senators who were appointed rather than elected. Did they represent the PEOPLE or the entity which appointed them?

senators who were appointed, means they were direct elected by vote of the legislature.

in an 1866 federal law, all voting for senators by the legislatures must be done in a loud audible direct vote by its members so it could be recorded, and the senator represented the state governments in the senate, giving the states power within the federal government

 

[haymarket]

senators who were appointed, means they were direct elected by vote of the legislature.

in an 1866 federal law, all voting for senators by the legislatures must be done in a loud audible direct vote by its members so it could be recorded, and the senator represented the state governments in the senate, giving the states power within the federal government

NO. I am referring to the Senators appointed after the 17th Amendment.

 

[Jack Hays]

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[Master PO]

NO. I am referring to the Senators appointed after the 17th Amendment.

All senators are direct elected by the people after the 17th and represenatives of the people