This is the sort of crap that pisses me off. "How to get hormones as a minor without your parents."

[Renae]

No no, we're told, PARENTS are supposed to be part of it..

Hormones for transgender youth – Transgender Map

www.transgendermap.com

How to get hormones as a transgender minor – Transgender Map

www.transgendermap.com

Come on man this is wrong.

 

[BirdinHand]

Planned Parenthood only requires kids to be 16 in some locations. At 18?

They openly advertise:

“We offer gender affirming hormone care for patients 18 years and older at all of our health centers. You don’t need to participate in therapy or provide information from a mental health provider to receive hormone therapy.”

 

[BirdinHand]

Hormone Therapy - First Visit

What to expect on your first visit for gender affirming hormone therapy.

www.plannedparenthood.org

 

[Lisa]

No no, we're told, PARENTS are supposed to be part of it..

Hormones for transgender youth – Transgender Map

www.transgendermap.com

How to get hormones as a transgender minor – Transgender Map

www.transgendermap.com

Come on man this is wrong.

Did you bother to read and understand the reasons why those options exist, even if they are less than desirable?

Was your family both welcomeing and supportive of your admission that you were trans and the desire to transition, even as an adult?

Planned Parenthood only requires kids to be 16 in some locations. At 18?

They openly advertise:

“We offer gender affirming hormone care for patients 18 years and older at all of our health centers. You don’t need to participate in therapy or provide information from a mental health provider to receive hormone therapy.”

They are legally adults at 18. Do you want to raise the age to 21 now?

 

[PirateMk1]

No no, we're told, PARENTS are supposed to be part of it..

Hormones for transgender youth – Transgender Map

www.transgendermap.com

How to get hormones as a transgender minor – Transgender Map

www.transgendermap.com

Come on man this is wrong.

I am of two minds on this. First is if I was a parent who had a child affected by this twat, I would hunt this SOB down and end him and take down his pages. Secondly, That said he does have a first amendment right to spout this BS as much as I disagree with its content and his purpose. It is my job as a parent to raise my children and protect them from these sorts of predators, it is also my job as a parent to teach my children how to protect themselves from predators like this, as this world is filled with misguided and just evil people and organizations and our children will have to deal with them on their own, so I am responsible for providing them the tools and training they need to do so successfully.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

I'd like to thank @Renae for the free advertising. Business has been a bit slow what with nosy parents looking at my customers' credit card bills.

 

[Crovax]

They are legally adults at 18. Do you want to raise the age to 21 now?

That's the plan isn't or is it just guns that people aren't able to get their minds around until 21?

 

[Lisa]

That's the plan isn't or is it just guns that people aren't able to get their minds around until 21?

This is not the gun forum.

 

[Schism]

No no, we're told, PARENTS are supposed to be part of it..

Hormones for transgender youth – Transgender Map

www.transgendermap.com

How to get hormones as a transgender minor – Transgender Map

www.transgendermap.com

Come on man this is wrong.

The left want to destroy families and the structure that families provide.

They want children to lie and hide activities from their parents and legal guardians.

This is how YOU know that THEY know, that what they're doing is wrong.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

The left want to destroy families and the structure that families provide.

They want children to lie and hide activities from their parents and legal guardians.

This is how YOU know that THEY know, that what they're doing is wrong.

Let's equate some transgender activists on the 'net with The Left shall we?

And let's not stop there. Let's pretend The Left wants to destroy families, in blatant contradiction of the history in which it's the Right who want to destroy any family not conforming to the One Man One Woman Plus Kids stereotype. The Left supports ALL families.

 

[Crovax]

This is not the gun forum.

Yes it's certainly hard to make the connection between the push to move 18 year old things to 21 year olds and you asking about moving the age of majority from 18 to 21.

So no this isn't the gun form buts it's relevant, and you dodging of the issue is noted. There are a lot of people who want to move the age of majority to 21.

 

[Renae]

Did you bother to read and understand the reasons why those options exist, even if they are less than desirable?

Was your family both welcomeing and supportive of your admission that you were trans and the desire to transition, even as an adult?


They are legally adults at 18. Do you want to raise the age to 21 now?

Children, should not be making life altering decisions without their parents, you obviously didn't read it:
Note: This page is for young people ages 13 and above.

Without help of a parent or guardian​

It is better to get help from your family. That is the choice I hope you will make. These other options are often not as safe.

From a family planning clinic

• Planned Parenthood
  • At this time, only some Planned Parenthood health centers have hormones for trans people. Even fewer can help young trans people. The best way to find out is to call your nearest Planned Parenthood health center.
  • If you cannot get hormones, you may be able to get blood tests done. This can help if you are taking drugs without medical supervision.
• Some young transfeminine people have been able to get birth control pills or other drugs with hormones through a clinic. Birth control pills are not what you need. They have low doses of feminizing hormones. You would need to take a lot. They also do not have much androgen blocker, which is important for stopping you from going through puberty.

 

[Lisa]

Did you notice the warning label at the very top.

It is better to get help from your family. That is the choice I hope you will make. These other options are often not as safe.

Do you think that denying effective care or access to a therapist makes gender dysphoria in teens go away? Beating, disowning a teen or denying them care when they ask to see a psychologist will not make the situation better. The problem only festers.

 

[Renae]

Did you notice the warning label at the very top.






Do you think that denying effective care or access to a therapist makes gender dysphoria in teens go away? Beating, disowning a teen or denying them care when they ask to see a psychologist will not make the situation better. The problem only festers.

Warning kids, don't this but if you are, here's how to do it!

Your stubborn insistence on avoiding even acknowledging that we have valid concerns shows you are not someone who is interested in the wellbeing of children, just pushing your ideology.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

Warning kids, don't this but if you are, here's how to do it!

Your stubborn insistence on avoiding even acknowledging that we have valid concerns shows you are not someone who is interested in the wellbeing of children, just pushing your ideology.

Report them to their hosting service then. Or is they run their own server, report them to the FCC.

"Supplementary hormones are a psychotropic drug, and these people are advocating drug use by minors."

I wouldn't mention blockers though. Simply having puberty later is within the realm of natural occurences.

 

[Lisa]

Warning kids, don't this but if you are, here's how to do it!

Your stubborn insistence on avoiding even acknowledging that we have valid concerns shows you are not someone who is interested in the wellbeing of children, just pushing your ideology.

1.) They are teens,. not children. The use of the word children is an emotional crutch when your argument is lacking as a way to increase sympathy for your position. If you had a valid argument you would need to use the word child and would instead use the word teens. Adult trans people are also somebody's children.



2.) I have never said that there aren't valid concern but there are also serious problems when care is denied but you dont ant to admit that. None of these suggestions are what should be done in an ideal situation but they dont exist for ideal situations. Informed consent only exists to get around gatekeepers, TERFs and transphobes in the mental heath and medical industry. If the situation was better that route of treatment would not exist but that isn't the case that many people, both adults and teens find themselves in. The idea situation would be universal coverage so people would have all of the care covered. The ideal diagnosis would come from a psychologist with a minimum of a masters or a PHD in human sexuality over the period of 90 days of biweekly appointments and testing to rule out other conditions or influences. At that point, after a baseline blood work and other test were performed, some sort of anti-androgen (Spiro?)would be started to lower the testosterone level and then estradiol in some form (pill, patch or IM) would be administered. The psychology appointments would continue until after surgery, if that is deemed to be both necessary and desired. The emotional support of family and friends can make or break proper care and a positive outcome. You had great insurance and access to top notch care. Many people don't have either.

3.) I don't have any ideology. Look in the mirror before you accuse me again. Please dont look down on others, criticizing them or putting roadblocks in their way when they are trying to survive. You would be mad if someone did it to you, so dont do it to them. Please.


If you want to discuss this via PM, I will consider it.

 

[Renae]

1.) They are teens,. not children. The use of the word children is an emotional crutch when your argument is lacking as a way to increase sympathy for your position. If you had a valid argument you would need to use the word child and would instead use the word teens. Adult trans people are also somebody's children.



2.) I have never said that there aren't valid concern but there are also serious problems when care is denied but you dont ant to admit that. None of these suggestions are what should be done in an ideal situation but they dont exist for ideal situations. Informed consent only exists to get around gatekeepers, TERFs and transphobes in the mental heath and medical industry. If the situation was better that route of treatment would not exist but that isn't the case that many people, both adults and teens find themselves in. The idea situation would be universal coverage so people would have all of the care covered. The ideal diagnosis would come from a psychologist with a minimum of a masters or a PHD in human sexuality over the period of 90 days of biweekly appointments and testing to rule out other conditions or influences. At that point, after a baseline blood work and other test were performed, some sort of anti-androgen (Spiro?)would be started to lower the testosterone level and then estradiol in some form (pill, patch or IM) would be administered. The psychology appointments would continue until after surgery, if that is deemed to be both necessary and desired. The emotional support of family and friends can make or break proper care and a positive outcome. You had great insurance and access to top notch care. Many people don't have either.

3.) I don't have any ideology. Look in the mirror before you accuse me again. Please dont look down on others, criticizing them or putting roadblocks in their way when they are trying to survive. You would be mad if someone did it to you, so dont do it to them. Please.


If you want to discuss this via PM, I will consider it.

They are under 18, and being advised by an internetsite how to avoid parents knowing what they are doing. Our entire stance is that this movement is pushing kids in to doing things that maybe they shouldn't be, arent' ready for or without propercare and guidance and your answer is "The message will be adhered too"

 

[Lisa]

They are under 18, and being advised by an internetsite how to avoid parents knowing what they are doing. arent' ready for or without proper care and guidance and your answer is "The message will be adhered too"

There is no message to be adhered to. They included a warning that it is better and safer to have the support of family/parents. Are you going to admit that many trans people, teens and adults, do not have the support of their family, so they must find other ways to get HRT. Stop trying to blame trans teens for the failure of their parents to be supportive. The parents are the problem, not the teens.

Our entire stance is that this movement is pushing kids in to doing things that maybe they shouldn't be,

Who is our and what is your stance?

Did you have the support of your family when you began your transition?

 

[Sweden]

There is no message to be adhered to. They included a warning that it is better and safer to have the support of family/parents. Are you going to admit that many trans people, teens and adults, do not have the support of their family, so they must find other ways to get HRT. Stop trying to blame trans teens for the failure of their parents to be supportive. The parents are the problem, not the teens.



Who is our and what is your stance?

Did you have the support of your family when you began your transition?

You do not hesitate to ask personal questions Lisa. What about you? Are you trans? Did you have the support of your family when you became a strident - some might say fanatic - trans activist?

 

[Mustachio]

Fun fact for Wyoming residents (the most conservative state)

Residents of the state ranked number one on the Internet for searching the combination of pornographic categories “teen” and “step-sister”!

Source: porn…. One of the sites.

Different strokes for different folks I suppose but I don’t plan to look either of those things up! I guess we somehow click on things that lead us all sorts of interesting places?

 

[Lisa]

You do not hesitate to ask personal questions Lisa. What about you? Are you trans? Did you have the support of your family when you became a strident - some might say fanatic - trans activist?

She has made it a post to attack trans teens seeking effective care who do not have the support of their family, but she has stated that she is trans. I wonder if she had the support of her own family when she transitioned, even as an adult who was not living under their roof? The hypocrisy is obvious. She should stop attacking vulnerable teens. LGBT teens are very commonly abused and have a very right rate of both suicide and homelessness.

Housing & Homelessness | A4TE

transequality.org

If you claim that I am a transgendered activist because I am supportive of them having safety and access to effective care then will you likewise admit that you are a transphobe who opposes their safety and supports a denial of effective care, even when it causes long term harm?

 

[Renae]

She has made it a post to attack trans teens seeking effective care who do not have the support of their family, but she has stated that she is trans. I wonder if she had the support of her own family when she transitioned, even as an adult who was not living under their roof? The hypocrisy is obvious. She should stop attacking vulnerable teens. LGBT teens are very commonly abused and have a very right rate of both suicide and homelessness.

Housing & Homelessness | A4TE

transequality.org

If you claim that I am a transgendered activist because I am supportive of them having safety and access to effective care then will you likewise admit that you are a transphobe who opposes their safety and supports a denial of effective care, even when it causes long term harm?

It is not at all an attack. It's a concern that minor's are being given potentially harmful advise and how to achieve this potentially harmful effort without parents or doctors involved.

 

[Lisa]

It is not at all an attack. It's a concern that minor's are being given potentially harmful advise and how to achieve this potentially harmful effort without parents or doctors involved.

A Dr must be involved in the US because they are required to write the perscription at PP or other places. They don't hand out estradiol prescriptions like parking vounchers at the front desk.

 

[Renae]

A Dr must be involved in the US because they are required to write the perscription at PP or other places. They don't hand out estradiol prescriptions like parking vounchers at the front desk.

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From adult friends and peers

• You might ask a trusted friend or family member who is over 18 to help you. You will need to come out to them. There is a chance they might tell your family, so think hard before talking to someone.
• If you know trusted adults in your area who are making a gender change, you may be able to get one of them to help you.
• Do not ask people you meet online, even other people who say they are like you. Only ask people you have already met in person and trust.
• You can ask them to order what you want from an online pharmacy. Then you can pay them. They need to know this is probably against the law.

 

[HonestJoe]

It is not at all an attack. It's a concern that minor's are being given potentially harmful advise and how to achieve this potentially harmful effort without parents or doctors involved.

I think the problem is that the information is out there from much less reliable sources, which won't give all of the facts or repeated warnings this one did. It's a least worst option situation.