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This is some great info on planned parenthood

vegas giants said:
How? She was against abortion? Are you against birth control?
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Strawman alert.

The extermination of a race is what she was for. Which I have a problem with.

Method is a matter of semantics against the result.
 
akyron said:
Strawman alert.

The extermination of a race is what she was for. Which I have a problem with.

Method is a matter of semantics against the result.
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The people of that race don't seem to think so. Do you get to speak for all black people now? LOL
 
vegas giants said:
The people of that race don't seem to think so. Do you get to speak for all black people now? LOL
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Silly. Of course not.

I can only speak to researched history of her own speeches and letters. I have no desire to speak for anyone but myself.

You already claimed to speak for all living black people and their love for Margaret Sanger.(Using your own logic there.)

At least some to be waking up and indicating otherwise.
BlackGenocide.org | L.E.A.R.N. Northeast

"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members""

December 10,1939

Its time for me to cook some bbq for the unfit peoples.

Have a happy labor day.
 
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Scrabaholic said:
Sanger wasn't racist. That is a myth perpetuated by anti-choicers.
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Anti-choicers don't have to perpetuate any myth. The woman's own words are pretty clear. Here's one example:

My paper was suppressed. I was arrested and indicted by the Federal authorities. But owing to the vigorous protests of the public and an appeal sent by a number of distinguished English writers and thinkers, the case against me was finally abandoned. Meanwhile "Birth Control" became the slogan of the idea and not only spread through the American press from coast to coast, but immediately gained currency in Great Britain. Succinctly and with telling brevity and precision "Birth Control" summed up our whole philosophy. Birth Control is not contraception indiscriminately and thoughtlessly practiced. It means the release and cultivation of the better racial elements in our society, and the gradual suppression, elimination and eventual extirpation of defective stocks--those human weeds which threaten the blooming of the finest flowers of American civilization.
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That was written by Sanger for the NYTimes in 1923. If you have a NYT account, by all means, go and read her letter in its entirety on their archived site.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9C01E1DF1F30E333A2575BC0A9629C946295D6CF&legacy=true

Barring that -- you can read the entire thing here for free:
Margaret Sanger

"Better racial elements" suggests that some racial elements are undesirable. The "defective stock" and "human weeds" terms are also highly suspect.

Make of it what you will. PP advocates have done their level best to try and make excuses for a number of Sanger's off-color comments. Personally, it sounds pretty darned racist to me.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Women often like the men who beat them, too. That means nothing. See Post 56.
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You are saying black people can not judge for themselves who is racist? Really? How condescending
 
akyron said:
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I can only do the research and take her at her own word.

Her own words directly contradict the conclusion.

" It seems to me from my experience where I have been in North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee and Texas, that while the colored Negroes have great respect for white doctors they can get closer to their own members and more or less lay their cards on the table which means their ignorance, superstitions and doubts. They do not do this with the white people and if we can train the Negro doctor at the Clinic he can go among them with enthusiasm and with knowledge, which, I believe, will have far-reaching results among the colored people.
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The ministers work is also important and also he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs...

Thank you.
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I addressed that quote in post number 33:


In fact, in the context of the debate Sanger was having with other members of the Birth Control Federation, the real meaning was almost certainly that she believed that black leadership was necessary to prevent the mistaken belief that the purpose of the project was racist.
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https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2013/03/01/1190652/-Margaret-Sanger-Planned-Parenthood-and-Racism
 
minnie616 said:
I addressed that quote in post number 33:
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Yes. I saw that.. Today and then the public procedure was called Taqiyya.

There is no doubt she was very intelligent. Sanger obviously realized if her true motives was revealed her work would suffer. Her books (preaching to her choir), and private letters are far more revealing.
 
HowardBThiname said:
So, you think it's okay to use birth control to counter defective human stock and encourage "better racial elements."

Fascinating.
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Birth control is voluntary. Sanger wanted birth control to be voluntary too. No one asks your reason for it when you buy it
 
akyron said:
Yes. I saw that.. Today and then the public procedure was called Taqiyya.

There is no doubt she was very intelligent. Sanger obviously realized if her true motives was revealed her work would suffer. Her books (preaching to her choir), and private letters are far more revealing.
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Now she was a muslim? This is hilarious
 
What I find most misleading here is people who purport that their concern about abortion is just a concern for black people. LOL
 
akyron said:
Yes. I saw that.. Today and then the public procedure was called Taqiyya.

There is no doubt she was very intelligent. Sanger obviously realized if her true motives was revealed her work would suffer. Her books (preaching to her choir), and private letters are far more revealing.
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You are saying she not only fooled Rev. Martin Luther King but she fooled Mahatma Ghanaian and other leaders who were sensitive to issues of race?

And you fingered out the truth?

I respectfully don't believe that.

From Trust Black Women :

In her lifetime, Sanger won the respect of international figures of all races, including the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.; Mahatma Ghandi; Shidzue Kato, the foremost family planning advocate in Japan; and Lady Dhanvanthi Rama Rau of India—all of whom were sensitive to issues of race.
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Margaret Sanger and the African American Community

Also from Trust Black Women:

Margaret Sanger and the African American Community

Compiled by Anna Holley, SisterSong Intern – July 2010

Opponents of abortion promote myths and half-truths about Margaret Sanger in the African American community and elsewhere. This brief research summation is meant to dispel such falsified information distributed by those opposed to abortion and who are determined to distort her impressive historical legacy of enabling reproductive freedom for all women as a pioneering advocate for birth control. Sanger’s opponents use quotes taken out of context, exaggerations and outright falsehoods to paint a grim and racist picture of Sanger. It is important that we, as African American women, examine the historical evidence for ourselves to avoid the pitfalls of historical revisionism. While some falsify the evidence, others attempt to whitewash uncomfortable facts. We consulted with experts on Sanger’s life, reviewed primary historical source documents, and received valuable assistance from the archivists at Smith College and New York University.
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Sanger’s Outreach to the African American Community

Harlem—1930

In 1930, Sanger opened a family planning clinic in Harlem that sought to enlist support for contraceptive use and to bring the benefits of family planning to women who were denied access to their city’s health and social services. Staffed by a black physician and black social worker, the clinic was endorsed by The Amsterdam News (the powerful local newspaper), the Abyssinian Baptist Church, the Urban League, and the Black community’s elder statesman, W.E.B. DuBois (Chesler, 1992).
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Read more:

Margaret Sanger and the African American Community
 
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HowardBThiname said:
Anti-choicers don't have to perpetuate any myth. The woman's own words are pretty clear. Here's one example:



That was written by Sanger for the NYTimes in 1923. If you have a NYT account, by all means, go and read her letter in its entirety on their archived site.
APOSTLE OF BIRTH CONTROL SEES CAUSE GAINING HERE - Hearing in Albany on Bill to Legalize Practice a Milestone in Long Fight of Margaret Sanger -- Even China Awakening to Need of Selective Methods, She Says. - Article - NYTimes.com

Barring that -- you can read the entire thing here for free:
Margaret Sanger

"Better racial elements" suggests that some racial elements are undesirable. The "defective stock" and "human weeds" terms are also highly suspect.

Make of it what you will. PP advocates have done their level best to try and make excuses for a number of Sanger's off-color comments. Personally, it sounds pretty darned racist to me.
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Sanger was speaking of the human race.

The defective stock she was speaking of were the physically disabled and mentally challenged due to defective genetics not Blacks.
 
Scrabaholic said:
You do realize that Sanger was anti abortion, right? She was on YOUR side of the issue.
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What was her contribution to abortion (if she was truly "on our side").
 
RamFel said:
What was her contribution to abortion (if she was truly "on our side").
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She never contributed to abortion. She was quoted as being actively against it and never supported it. She was pro life
 
akyron said:
Her work paved the road for the deaths of millions by way of planned parenthood.

It wasnt that funny to me.
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Millions of zefs, not millions of people. And over how many years? I don't see the issue.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Anti-choicers don't have to perpetuate any myth. The woman's own words are pretty clear. Here's one example:



That was written by Sanger for the NYTimes in 1923. If you have a NYT account, by all means, go and read her letter in its entirety on their archived site.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9C01E1DF1F30E333A2575BC0A9629C946295D6CF&legacy=true

Barring that -- you can read the entire thing here for free:
Margaret Sanger

"Better racial elements" suggests that some racial elements are undesirable. The "defective stock" and "human weeds" terms are also highly suspect.

Make of it what you will. PP advocates have done their level best to try and make excuses for a number of Sanger's off-color comments. Personally, it sounds pretty darned racist to me.
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She wasn't referring to any particular race or ethnicity. Eugenics was a popular point of view in her day.
 
Scrabaholic said:
Millions of zefs, not millions of people. And over how many years? I don't see the issue.
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You mean pre-born babies, don't you? 55 lmillion babies.
 
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