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[zimmer]

“Conservatives” Are Single-Largest Ideological Group

Thus far in 2009, 40% of Americans interviewed in national Gallup Poll surveys describe their political views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal.

Note to the RNC

Now all we need is for someone to be nominated that is a Conservative too, and will espouse Conservatives beliefs, and govern as a Conservative. Let R's nominate their candidates, not outsiders and sidewinders.

I'm sure there is a heap of Libs in the poll calling themselves "moderates", but of the 35% we only need a meager 11%.

It just shouldn't be that tough, regardless of the opposition's candidate.

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[Redress]

Note to the RNC

Now all we need is for someone to be nominated that is a Conservative too, and will espouse Conservatives beliefs, and govern as a Conservative. Let R's nominate their candidates, not outsiders and sidewinders.

I'm sure there is a heap of Libs in the poll calling themselves "moderates", but of the 35% we only need a meager 11%.

It just shouldn't be that tough.

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And conservatives did how well in the last election? Seems being conservative is not enough to win with, at least not last year.

 

[zimmer]

And conservatives did how well in the last election? Seems being conservative is not enough to win with, at least not last year.

McCain in his acceptance speech for the party's nomination thanked moderates and libs.

McCain is not a Conservative, and for a warrior first-class, he fought like a wimp against a tragically flawed candidate... as you are now learning.

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[Redress]

McCain in his acceptance speech thanked moderates and libs.

McCain is not a Conservative, and for a warrior first-class, he fought like a wimp against a tragically flawed candidate... as you are now learning.

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McCain was the only person running for office last year?

 

[zimmer]

McCain was the only person running for office last year?

I was referring to national elections.

If they went back to their 1994 playbook, based on Reagan's foundation... I dare say they would kick serious ass in Congressional races too. Just look at the formula used to win. It works when applied and followed through on when they get to Congress.

They will again, but not with mamby pamby RINO's.

 

[Redress]

I was referring to national elections.

If they went back to their 1994 playbook, based on Reagan's foundation... I dare say they would kick serious ass in Congressional races too. Just look at the formula used to win. It works when applied and followed through on when they get to Congress.

They will again, but not with mamby pamby RINO's.

Go with that plan, I dare you to. Please, make my day, go as far right as you can, nothing but hard right candidates in 2010.

 

[hazlnut]

Note to the RNC

Now all we need is for someone to be nominated that is a Conservative too, and will espouse Conservatives beliefs, and govern as a Conservative. Let R's nominate their candidates, not outsiders and sidewinders.

I'm sure there is a heap of Libs in the poll calling themselves "moderates", but of the 35% we only need a meager 11%.

It just shouldn't be that tough, regardless of the opposition's candidate.

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Which 'conservative' beliefs?

You got your religious social conservatives -- the real RINO's IMO.

And you got your fiscal Goldwater/Reagan old school conservatives. My type of conservatives.

Great -- give me Mitt Romney without the religion and I'm in 100%.

Cut the ties with the f-ing religious right and lets go to town!!!!

Edit: It was Reagan who opened the door to the Christian folks. Shame on him -- but I guess he felt he needed the votes.

 

[Renae]

Which 'conservative' beliefs?

You got your religious social conservatives -- the real RINO's IMO.

And you got your fiscal Goldwater/Reagan old school conservatives. My type of conservatives.

Great -- give me Mitt Romney without the religion and I'm in 100%.

Cut the ties with the f-ing religious right and lets go to town!!!!

You're a conservative? LOL

 

[Zyphlin]

Which 'conservative' beliefs?

You got your religious social conservatives -- the real RINO's IMO.

And you got your fiscal Goldwater/Reagan old school conservatives. My type of conservatives.

Oh that's a good one.

The Republican party needs to get back to balance. Social, Fiscal, Governmental, Security...all of the various pillars need to be in balance. Dump Social...like you've dumped fiscal and governmental for the most part these past 8 years...and the party isn't going to do any better. All sides need to be equally represented and on equal footing. The issue in the past 8 years has not been with "conservatism", but with the fact that Social Conservatism has been in front with Militaristic/Security right behind it and Fiscal and Governmental about 5 miles behind it. Bring it into balance and things will go much smoother. Cut any part of it and its dead in the water. Listen to people like hazlnut and they'll get what they really want, the continuation of a worthless GOP

 

[Dav]

And conservatives did how well in the last election? Seems being conservative is not enough to win with, at least not last year.

Of course it's not enough, the point is that it helps, not hurts.

The people who are now saying that the Republicans can't win if they're conservative are completely ignoring both history and the facts presented in the OP.

 

[phattonez]

People don't get that McCain and Obama were the same candidate. Both were going to expand the budget, both were going to pile on more debt with promises they couldn't keep. If you look at big issues and not wedge issues, there was no different. So why did Obama win? His views were more in line with his party (plus he was more likeable). McCain is a progressive, that's why the Republican party did not support him.

 

[Redress]

People don't get that McCain and Obama were the same candidate. Both were going to expand the budget, both were going to pile on more debt with promises they couldn't keep. If you look at big issues and not wedge issues, there was no different. So why did Obama win? His views were more in line with his party (plus he was more likeable). McCain is a progressive, that's why the Republican party did not support him.

That does not explain the democrats gaining in the house and senate as well.

 

[Zyphlin]

That does not explain the democrats gaining in the house and senate as well.

Which is generally a trend I believe whenever you have a strong presidential candidate. There were a large amount that went into the most recent elections, however those on the left like to boil it down to "Oh its cause people don't like conservatives" which....frankly....is bull****. People on the left don't like conservatives, so they try to paint it that wya.

You had an unpopular President in Bush. You don't get to the 20% of approval ratings by just having DEMOCRATS hating you, unless you're going to try to tell me that 80% of this country is liberal or democrats. Conservatives were extremely unhappy with Republicans over the past 8 years which really start manifesting itself greatly since 2006.

You had an extremely popular Democrat candidate, which does help throughout the nation as people have a tendancy to vote single ticket which means if you're pulling the lever for the Democratic president you are likely to pull it for the Democrats lower on the ballot that you may not have as much knowledge about.

This goes without even looking individually at the states and seeing what different seats were up for grabs, location, etc which can all have impacts.

Its foolish and frankly ignorant of people to try and make blanket statements like "the country is rejecting conservatism" based simply off of something anecdotal as "republicans didn't do well in the last election". Its like watching the L.A. Lakers currently in basketball (or Chicago back in the day) lose a basketball game and people to instantly say "Oh, its cause the Lakers aren't good" based of ZERO other facts other than the fact they lost.

 

[Redress]

Which is generally a trend I believe whenever you have a strong presidential candidate. There were a large amount that went into the most recent elections, however those on the left like to boil it down to "Oh its cause people don't like conservatives" which....frankly....is bull****. People on the left don't like conservatives, so they try to paint it that wya.

You had an unpopular President in Bush. You don't get to the 20% of approval ratings by just having DEMOCRATS hating you, unless you're going to try to tell me that 80% of this country is liberal or democrats. Conservatives were extremely unhappy with Republicans over the past 8 years which really start manifesting itself greatly since 2006.

You had an extremely popular Democrat candidate, which does help throughout the nation as people have a tendancy to vote single ticket which means if you're pulling the lever for the Democratic president you are likely to pull it for the Democrats lower on the ballot that you may not have as much knowledge about.

This goes without even looking individually at the states and seeing what different seats were up for grabs, location, etc which can all have impacts.

Its foolish and frankly ignorant of people to try and make blanket statements like "the country is rejecting conservatism" based simply off of something anecdotal as "republicans didn't do well in the last election". Its like watching the L.A. Lakers currently in basketball (or Chicago back in the day) lose a basketball game and people to instantly say "Oh, its cause the Lakers aren't good" based of ZERO other facts other than the fact they lost.

That is more than what I was saying. Obama's popularity was a factor in how the election results went as was Bush's unpopularity. I also do not claim it is because people don't like conservatives.

However, I do think part of the result was the start of a shift within the country. Younger people voted in larger than usual numbers in this election, and voted largely for Obama. That would worry me if I was a republican. Blacks and Hispanics both voted overwhelmingly for Obama, and are both growing in electoral power. That would worry me if I was a republican.

As a democrat, I got my own worries, such as the worry that my elected officials will make asses of themselves with so much power, and that we will get overconfident after this election, and forget what things where like 8 years ago.

 

[Zyphlin]

However, I do think part of the result was the start of a shift within the country. Younger people voted in larger than usual numbers in this election, and voted largely for Obama. That would worry me if I was a republican. Blacks and Hispanics both voted overwhelmingly for Obama, and are both growing in electoral power. That would worry me if I was a republican.

Doesn't bother me at all. I am a younger person. I got to see what this was.

Popularity.

For every politicly savy young person near my college age that was voting for Obama for actual issues there were 10 that were doing it cause Bush talks funny and is a fascist and Obama was Change and "seemed smart".

If it seemed like there was a legitimate movement of a LARGE percentage of that vote actually being extremely liberal, that'd be one thing. But from my own experience, and in general historically speaking in regards to youth, it was not really so much due to political issues as it was largely simply what was the popular thing to do. And at no point that I can remember did you have someone so unpopular (Bush) and so popular (Obama) colliding like it essentially did in this election cycle.

Blacks have always historically voted for Democrats and frankly I do not doubt, for a second, that a large majority of the ones that came out to vote that didn't in the past did so simply because a "black man" in their eyes was running for President.

I think the hispanic vote is going to be an interesting one in years to come, especially depending on how Obama handles the illegal immigration issue (or if he just ducks out of it for 4-8 years). The hispanic vote is a weird one as many of their values are conservative while many of the things a large majority of them need/want in this country come from Democrats (in regards to government services). My worry in regards to the hispanic vote would be much more if every single illegal immigrant in here was given complete and utter amnesty and the changes that would cause more so than the majority of legally residing hispanics.

As a democrat, I got my own worries, such as the worry that my elected officials will make asses of themselves with so much power, and that we will get overconfident after this election, and forget what things where like 8 years ago.

I think both Democrats and Republicans have much to worry about over the next 8 years. They're kind of switching positions in a similar mirror image of 8 years ago. I think it'd be unwise of anyone to look at 2008 and expectit to be some kind of large indicator of what's going to happen in 4 or 8 years from now in most aspects.

 

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I think the hispanic vote is going to be an interesting one in years to come, especially depending on how Obama handles the illegal immigration issue (or if he just ducks out of it for 4-8 years). The hispanic vote is a weird one as many of their values are conservative while many of the things a large majority of them need/want in this country come from Democrats (in regards to government services). My worry in regards to the hispanic vote would be much more if every single illegal immigrant in here was given complete and utter amnesty and the changes that would cause more so than the majority of legally residing hispanics.

I am betting he does nothing. No way he can come out ahead if he does anything. It's political suicide to tackle the issue, and so nothing gets done. Isn't politics wonderful?

I think both Democrats and Republicans have much to worry about over the next 8 years. They're kind of switching positions in a similar mirror image of 8 years ago. I think it'd be unwise of anyone to look at 2008 and expectit to be some kind of large indicator of what's going to happen in 4 or 8 years from now in most aspects.

Yeah to an extent. I do think it is important to look at and try and learn from 2008, but it is not a predictor for even 2010.

 

[phattonez]

For every politicly savy young person near my college age that was voting for Obama for actual issues there were 10 that were doing it cause Bush talks funny and is a fascist and Obama was Change and "seemed smart".

I asked someone, he said he voted for Obama because he is black and he cares about young people. He had no answer when I questioned him about the latter. I didn't even talk to him about the former because it is extremely ignorant.

 

[Renae]

Listen to people like hazlnut and they'll get what they really want, the continuation of a worthless GOP

Bingo.

 

[TheNextEra]

I asked someone, he said he voted for Obama because he is black and he cares about young people. He had no answer when I questioned him about the latter. I didn't even talk to him about the former because it is extremely ignorant.

And there are people that would not vote for Obama because they thought he was a Muslim. The left does not hold the monopoly on uneducated and ignorant voters. The right has plenty as well.

 

[Zyphlin]

And there are people that would not vote for Obama because they thought he was a Muslim. The left does not hold the monopoly on uneducated and ignorant voters. The right has plenty as well.

Did you not even TRY to read him in context at all?

He was responding to my comments in regards to younger voters and black voeters, neither of which make up the likely demographic that didn't vote for him due to thinking "he was a muslim". He wasn't even getting on a high horse saying it only is something pertinent to the left, but was discussing the context of the thread. Its not that long, its one page, maybe read the thread for context before immedietely thinking people are just slamming the left for the hell of it.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

And conservatives did how well in the last election? Seems being conservative is not enough to win with, at least not last year.

They failed because they put up a moderate.

 

[TheNextEra]

Did you not even TRY to read him in context at all?

He was responding to my comments in regards to younger voters and black voeters, neither of which make up the likely demographic that didn't vote for him due to thinking "he was a muslim". He wasn't even getting on a high horse saying it only is something pertinent to the left, but was discussing the context of the thread. Its not that long, its one page, maybe read the thread for context before immedietely thinking people are just slamming the left for the hell of it.

Yes I read the context, you and he were talking about uninformed Obama voters voting for him because they did not like Bush.

I simply stated that the other side has idiots as well. Carry on your Obama voter bashing and praising conservatism.

 

[zimmer]

Go with that plan, I dare you to. Please, make my day, go as far right as you can, nothing but hard right candidates in 2010.

What is it about individual rights, liberty... freedom that you dislike?

Is it that you like government to confiscate other people's money for you? Is it an emotional release for you? Clinging to a philosophy that looks nice on paper, but fails everywhere it's tried.

What is it you don't like about the foundation our Founding Fathers laid out?

I'm interested to hear why you dislike America so.

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[Redress]

They failed because they put up a moderate.

Why does every one keep thinking I only meant the presidential election? And why do people keep replying without reading the rest of the thread?

 

[Zyphlin]

Yes I read the context, you and he were talking about uninformed Obama voters voting for him because they did not like Bush.

I simply stated that the other side has idiots as well. Carry on your Obama voter bashing and praising conservatism.

Really, I was bashing? Show me where? Or even where I was talking about "obama voters" in general.

I said that the youth vote really isn't that worrisome. Youth, in general, are easily swayed by popularity and what's the "in" thing to do with a crowd. This is a psychological thing, not a dem or republican thing. Traditionally, poll after poll, young people are some of the least educated people about individual policies of politicians; again, not a dem or a rep thing. I'm not sure how me then postulating that between my anecdotal evidence (that most people my age seemed to simply be voting that way because it was cool to insult Bush and Obama was the "it" thing to support for "Change") plus the trends I mentioned above that the youth vote surge doesn't necessarily show a sway towards liberal by the youth of our country is somehow "Bashing" Obama supporters. I did not realize that postulating that something occurred other than "everyone legitimately thought Obama's individual policies that they are well informed of was exactly what they wanted and that is the only reason they voted for him" is somehow "Bashing". Thanks for that insight. :roll:

Furthermore, my point wasn't even truly "Bashing" black Obama voters. I noted that traditionally the black vote goes democratic anyways, a historical trend, so that shouldn't worry republicans. Likewise, I noted it was slightly better turnout and a better % of the black vote going to Obama, and postulated that this likely in part had to do with the general feeling amongst minorities that someone of their own minority is more likely to "look out for them".

It looks to me I offered up some substantive views, thoughts, and opinions and all you've done is come in here and bitch, whine, and moan that people are "Bashing" Obama supporters because they dared to suggest some of the numbers happened for reasons other than "they all agree exactly with Obama and that's the only reason they voted for him".