This is FAILURE of LEADERSHIP. We are a DISGRACE under Trump's Leadership

[Lutherf]

LMAO, that deflect can't even hold water anymore because our cases of COVID far outweigh it. If ONLY it were the protests but NO, it's much larger than that.

Don't skip the FACT that we TOP every other 1st world country, HUGELY, BIGLY, almost on PURPOSELY.
It's no longer a guess why game, it's been long enough now that the whole world knows we have failed to CARE.

I've heard more than a dozen times from Trump's base that this is a left hoax or culling of the heard is an acceptable reality for America. I've heard that PPE is unconstitutional, an act against what GOD wants for his people, and a scam from the left and what the devil wants.

We dropped the ball on COVID because we are STUPID. Trump's opinions on COVID don't match reality. The positivity rate and hospitalization rate is well above 5%, which means it will only continue to rise at a rate that's uncontrollable. Pence claims deaths haven't risen, but everyone in the world knows now that death lags behind cases by weeks. Again, Pence looks like an IDIOT.

There are some smart republicans out there but they are dwarfed by the president who is almost willfully in denial. This is an embarrassment but most of all it's a tragedy for America. We will be in a deep recession by next year, ill, and banned from other countries. We will be trapped in a box of disease. I honestly think Trump should do some time in jail. Trump's genocidal approach to this virus is inconceivable for a 1st world nation.

So, basically, it's the mere presence of Donald Trump that has driven the spike on COVID cases. That makes sense, I suppose.

 

[AlphaOmega]

To be clear I believe you have me confused with ultmd.

I don't have the testing methods and criteria for each state available, simply because I didn't quote statistics on a state based level I was quoting from a federal level. I will once again repeat the data was from the respective countries (USA and Australia) Government websites.
Unless you have more reputable and accurate website, I would suggest not undermining the validity and reputability of my data

Yes data comes from all sources. The problem lies when peoole throw it on a chart and say "see...America bad!"
Unless the data was collected in the same manner and the same criteria was applied to each data set equally, what you have here is a facebook meme not data.

 

[Ginger Ale]

Don't be a fool. Trump shut down the entire country. But no country can stay shut down forever. The goddamn riots certainly didn't help keep contagion from spreading.

Trump was smart enough to start insulating the US from China much in advance. China's crooked behavior is what inflicted the virus on all of us in the first place. Yet the Left are totally silent on them.
Stop gaslighting us, libs.

Fools? LMAO! Oh yes, Trump can't shut down the country but the entire world can shut its doors on us and they are.

You shouldn't blame the left when there are plenty on the right that agrees with the left as it's a death sentence right now to stand by Trump. Yet still, you can defend him? Your pool is getting so small it will soon be private.

The left isn't silent, China may have handed us the ball but the big news around the world is that we dropped it, kicked it under the table, and lost it. People remember the end because that matters more. In the end, we failed. For your mind I'll put it this way, CHINA WON THE WAR. Do you get it now???

 

[Ginger Ale]

Yes data comes from all sources. The problem lies when peoole throw it on a chart and say "see...America bad!"
Unless the data was collected in the same manner and the same criteria was applied to each data set equally, what you have here is a facebook meme not data.

Oh for christ's sake the entire world isn't wrong. Wake up! It's not just the left who think Trump is an idiot, itś the ENTIRE PLANET!!!

Do you really think the entire world is out to get AMERICA? Just admit we were wrong, we failed, and Trump is continuing to fail our country and most everyone in the country and abroad are just RECOGNIZING IT.

 

[yankintx]

You might wanna see someone about that weird tinfoil cone emerging from your dome...oh, sorry, that's a hat, nevermind.

Righties cling to conspiracy BS like moths to a flame. They don't care how improbable the situation may sound, they will pass it off as more than probable. They truly are suckers.

 

[Ginger Ale]

So, basically, it's the mere presence of Donald Trump that has driven the spike on COVID cases. That makes sense, I suppose.

Point proved.

 

[OlNate]

Righties cling to conspiracy BS like moths to a flame. They don't care how improbable the situation may sound, they will pass it off as more than probable. They truly are suckers.

Some sure do...not all, but holy ****, the ones who don't should probably speak up, as their ever growing fringe is making the whole lot of them look pretty silly.

 

[goldkam]

Yes data comes from all sources. The problem lies when peoole throw it on a chart and say "see...America bad!"
Unless the data was collected in the same manner and the same criteria was applied to each data set equally, what you have here is a facebook meme not data.

I am really confused. I have no Facebook meme. I didn't upload an image. I have stated two sets of data from Government websites. You are seemingly incapable of accepting and comprehending this.

The same process were applied to each data set. I compared the per capita testing regime of the US to the per capita testing regime of Australia. I then averaged the daily coronavirus cases for the month of May, June and the start of July for Australia and the US per capita.
On average the US has nearly the same per capita testing regime yet has 225 times more daily COVID cases. My point is the US has failed to contain the virus and community transmission is out of control.

The lesson to be learnt that completely undermines Trumps point is more testing doesn't explain the significant growth in COVID cases, it simply signals the virus is out of control and the health guidelines are failing because they are not being followed.

POINT PROVEN. If you deny this and undermine its validity I would suggest you go and do research and provide me with the accurate data.

 

[Moderate Right]

There are no excuses. There is no way to blame this on "liberals" or "Democrats".

The ENTIRE world is winning the battle against COVID-19....and then there is the U.S. under Trump's "leadership"

Cumulative confirmed COVID-19 cases - Our World in Data

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Cherry picked data. The virus is getting bad all over the world.

 

[yankintx]

Some sure do...not all, but holy ****, the ones who don't should probably speak up, as their ever growing fringe is making the whole lot of them look pretty silly.

Moderate Republicans such as George Will are the new fringe. The crazies are now the center base, and have abandoned any pretext of fiscal conservatism. Even Rush admits the whole fiscal conservatism was BS. What comes after Trump for the GOP I have no idea.

 

[Fletch]

Hilarious. ALL of Europe has seen rapid drops in cases and deaths which is why we are reopening. How are you doing? Want to see some graphs and tell us how "totally under control" your clueless 'leader' has the pandemic?

Trump on coronavirus from China: '''We have it totally under control'''

Says the guy whose nation leads the world in Covid per capita death rate. Sorry, but the last people who should be dispensing Covid advice or criticism is you Brits.

 

[Fletch]

Righties cling to conspiracy BS like moths to a flame. They don't care how improbable the situation may sound, they will pass it off as more than probable. They truly are suckers.

Says the guy who fell for the collusion hoax. Dont feel bad though. All leftists clung to that conspiracy BS like moths to a flame.

 

[ultmd]

Ok, the following wins the "dumbest comment of the thread" award. And I say that before even bothering to look at anything else today.

Nobody has time for the 130,000.They are dead.

Nobody, huh? You don't mean "nobody".

You mean "people like me".

There's a term for this: "deplorables".

Had the democratic governors and mayors listened to Fauci and Trump things would be differerent.

Is this ignorance, or dishonesty? Hard to say which.

Of course, we all know that Trump has been saying virtually the opposite of everythinig Fauci has been recommending.

And everyone can see that we are where we are today because Republican governors and Republican "anti-maskers" in Democratic cities and states have been following the edicts of their Dear Fuhrer, and FauxNews. But it's typical of rightwingers to blame others (and lie) for their own failures..

We will remember this in November.

You mean, "people like me". And again, you people don't count.

 

[jnug]

Thread Title: This is FAILURE of LEADERSHIP. We are a DISGRACE under Trump's Leadership

Not to worry. I am trying to keep from being overconfident. But now Donald Duck has frigged up the COVID response so badly that he has managed to screw with old people and now school age kids IN ONE ELECTION YEAR and the folks in the middle are not going to fair too well either.

Thats the coup de grace. If you think you are going to get elected frigging with old people and school age kids in the same election cycle you are dreaming. Looking at you DonDon. There are not enough GRU Agents in the world to steal this election under these conditions.

 

[ultmd]

Don't be a fool. Trump shut down the entire country. .

Don't be an idiot. Trump didn't "shut down" squat. From Day 1, Trump lacked the balls to lead. He left everything to be handled by each state, which lead to MASSIVE failures across the board. We had states competing against each other (driving up prices) for supplies and equipment.

But no country can stay shut down forever.

Don't be a moron. 10 weeks is not "forever". And the FACT that virtually EVERY other modern economy in the world has managed to control the pandemic within its borders proves that the U.S. response has been an unmitigated disaster. That is not arguable. So don't try. You'll be made the fool.

The goddamn riots certainly didn't help keep contagion from spreading.

Another FauxNews LIE. You people think everything can be just made up, if it sounds logical. You do this, over and over, because you fundamentally have no respect for academia or expertise. That's why you are mocked for being ignorant. But the TRUTH is that the protests have had very little impact on the spread, because almost all protesters have been wearing masks.
Study: BLACK LIVES MATTER PROTESTS, SOCIAL DISTANCING, AND COVID-19

AP: Little Evidence that Protests Spread Coronavirus in U.S.

Your ignorant bull**** is no substitute for FACTS and objective reasoning, sanman. Never has been. Never will be.

Trump was smart enough to start insulating the US from China much in advance.

More fakenews. First, Trump's ban on travel from China was a toothless as your ignorant rhetoric.

430K Have Traveled from China to U.S. since Trump's China Travel Ban


And, according to your own FoxNews, of those 430K, at LEAST 8k have been Chinese Nationals, for Pete's sake!

Secondly, Trump's China Travel Ban was not just toothless, it was IGNORANT; since genetic studies on virus samples taken from the original outbreak in NYC. have proved that almost ALL of the COVID-19 outbreaks came from infected people IN EUROPE.....and most of the spread in the U.S. can be traced to the original outbreak in NYC.

So again, almost everything you say is pure b.s., sanman.

crooked behavior is what inflicted the virus on all of us in the first place. Yet the Left are totally silent on them.
Stop gaslighting us, libs

Stop gaslighting yourselves, wingnuts!

No one is excusing China for it's role in the outbreak. No one. You cannot show even one such case, so stop lying.

The simple FACT of the matter is that every other modern economy in the world has been exposed to the SAME coronavirus. And yet ONLY the U.S. (and Brazil) and continue see exponential growth of the disease within their borders.

So you people need to stop gaslighting yourselves. Show some nuts and take responsibility for the failures of your leaders, for once.

 

[calamity]

There are no excuses. There is no way to blame this on "liberals" or "Democrats".

The ENTIRE world is winning the battle against COVID-19....and then there is the U.S. under Trump's "leadership"

Cumulative confirmed COVID-19 cases - Our World in Data

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That's the Party of the Sanctity of Human Life for ya.

BTW: Trump says keeping your kids safe is too expensive.

Trump trashes CDC school-reopening guidelines -- then CDC updates them - CNNPolitics

After President Donald Trump tweeted Wednesday that he disagreed with US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidelines for safely reopening schools because they are "very tough" and "expensive," the agency said it would issue new recommendations next week.

But, hey. At least they save the fetuses before killing our babies.

 

[rjay]

There are no excuses. There is no way to blame this on "liberals" or "Democrats".

The ENTIRE world is winning the battle against COVID-19....and then there is the U.S. under Trump's "leadership"

Cumulative confirmed COVID-19 cases - Our World in Data

View attachment 67286576

I am certain that with a different President, the U.S. would be in much better shape. But this is not all Trump. The lack of leadership has taken place, and continues to take place at the Governor and Mayoral levels as well. The Countries that are doing well worked as a team at all leadership levels.

I don't think the U.S. is capable of that anymore.

I don't know when this lack of cohesiveness first got started but I know when I first noticed it. It was under George W. Bush when the U.S. went to war in Afghanistan and then in Iraq. Usually when a Country is at war, everyone has to sacrifice. That is what it means when you "support the troops". In the U.S. rather than sacrifice, you were given a tax cut. Outside of those with family members in the Military, the war was just one more item on the news.

I am sure it started before then but that is when I noticed it.

With COVID-19 I am sure if Trump showed real leadership, came out with a national plan and used the bully pulpit to implement that plan, many more of the Governors would have toed the line. But those Governors had the information, they knew what medical professionals were advising, they knew what other countries were doing. Instead of leading with prudence, they chose to lead with incompetence and negligence.

I don't know when this is going to end for the U.S.

I can tell you this, I am dreading the news from the U.S., Brazil and India over the next 12 months.

 

[sanman]

So you people need to stop gaslighting yourselves. Show some nuts and take responsibility for the failures of your leaders, for once.

I can tell you're pursuing this like a team sport. You're making any outlandish arguments just to desperately "score points" for your "team".

Trump has been ahead of the curve in opposing China, and COVID19 shows the perils of exposing ourselves to a powerful ruthless dictatorship which sees even pandemics through the lens of preserving the regime.

Trump initially had the natural and reasonable instinct to not want to close the entire economy - because it keeps us alive - duh. Dems were nowhere out in front of him on shutdown. Once the contagion and its implications became more visible, he did act solidly to shut down the country. Your Democrats were nowhere out in front of this unprecedented situation. So you criticism is stupid 20-20 hindsight. Show me your posts from 4 months ago, forecasting what needed to be done. Your 20-20 hindsight is your own conceited garbage. Everybody's an expert quarterback on Monday morning, mastermind.

But now we definitely need to be re-opening up the economy, because we can't survive without it. Only complete morons like you think that we can get by with just writing bigger and bigger govt cheques and handouts. If you want that, then why don't you go live in Venezuela to really enjoy the fruits of that policy approach? Nah, I don't think you will, because you're a worthless hypocrite who won't put his own money where his mouth is.

 

[ultmd]

This is what happens that moment a lefty is pressed for actual facts. He actually goes into a hannity rant. Priceless.

:lamo
Just like an alt-rightie. You can't deal with FACTS, so you start throwing your own "poo" around, hoping to distract from the subject.

You people are just not equipped to defend yourselves and your views in a substantive debate.

Your chart is the propaganda.

:lamo
Yeah, that's right. Objective data is "propaganda" to people like you. You people would be better off in Russia, I think.

In reality, you can't rebut the data, so you dismiss it.

Wash, rinse, repeat. That's your entire playbook around here.

Unless all countries are testing in the same faahion your chart is pure bull****.

This is, of course, utter nonsense. You'd understand this if you had any background in basic science, I'm sure. Clearly, like most of your ilk, you're uneducated and proud of it.

The death rates is much harder to skew and will show a drastic difference between that and the bull**** you posted which is why you went Hannity rant instead of looking at facts.

This is moronic stuff, here.

Again, your lack of education is showing and you don't give a rats butt about facts, truth (in particular) or science (general). You clearly don't understand the difference between case fatality ratio and death/mortality rate. You're just repeating what you think you've heard/seen on your favorite fauxnews show.

The fact is that U.S. death rates are also among the highest in the world. And those stats are also readily available. Here's the world vs the U.S. in mortality rates due to COVID-19:
Total confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people - Our World in Data

In the SCIENCE BASED world, we understand that it's not possible to accurately measure mortality rates in the midst of a pandemic. That can only be assess afterward. But right now, the U.S. mortality rate is about 6x higher than the rest of the world. Higher than German. Higher than Canada. Higher than Switzerland. Higher than Poland. Higher than Mexico. Higher than Russia. Higher than Ireland. About the same as France. Less than the U.K, Italy and Spain.
----
"Over the past two months, however, Europe has succeeded at crushing the virus, and the U.S. has not. Just look at the chart (which compares the U.S. to a contiguous 16-country region of Western Europe with a nearly identical population):

COVID-19: U.S. vs Europe

European countries have used a combination of lockdowns, public health guidance, tests and contact tracing to beat back the virus. Large parts of Europe have begun reopening, including schools, so far without sparking major new outbreaks.

The U.S. response has been more scattered and less successful. Government efforts to inform the public about the pandemic have been a colossal failure, which means that most people are hearing mixed and muffled messages about what to do. It’s not surprising that a lot of folks are believing misinformation as a result, and others are just throwing up their hands."
----
Now, by other measures (i.e. deaths per 100,000) the U.S. is just behind the U.K.. But again, these are all numbers that will evolve over time. The fact that the U.S. has almost as many new cases per day as the rest of the modern world (combined) means that the U.S. death toll and death rate are only going to continue to rise, while places like the U.K. will begin to see those stats decrease. At this point, death rate is not a reliable statistic, because it's a function of so many other variables (like capacity of health care systems at a given moment in time, etc.).

But all of that is irrelevant, because (as ANY health professional would tell you) incidence rate (i.e. new cases) is the best determinant of future outcomes while in the midst of any pandemic. So the FACT that nearly EVERY other 1st world economy has succeeded in flattening and controlling their COVID-19 incidence rates, while the U.S. is seeing it's rates increase exponentially (which is much worse than linearly), means that the worst is yet to come for the U.S.

This reminds me of the Brian Williams math fail...300 million / 300 million is 1 million. Priceless. The U.S. is testing more of course the positive cases go up. So...death rate please. lets see if it fits your chart above or if it shows you are a fake news spreader.

:roll:
And the above just reminds me that I'm dealing with an uneducated ideologue.

 

[AlphaOmega]

:lamo
Just like an alt-rightie. You can't deal with FACTS, so you start throwing your own "poo" around, hoping to distract from the subject.

You people are just not equipped to defend yourselves and your views in a substantive debate.


:lamo
Yeah, that's right. Objective data is "propaganda" to people like you. You people would be better off in Russia, I think.

In reality, you can't rebut the data, so you dismiss it.

Wash, rinse, repeat. That's your entire playbook around here.


This is, of course, utter nonsense. You'd understand this if you had any background in basic science, I'm sure. Clearly, like most of your ilk, you're uneducated and proud of it.



This is moronic stuff, here.

Again, your lack of education is showing and you don't give a rats butt about facts, truth (in particular) or science (general). You clearly don't understand the difference between case fatality ratio and death/mortality rate. You're just repeating what you think you've heard/seen on your favorite fauxnews show.

The fact is that U.S. death rates are also among the highest in the world. And those stats are also readily available. Here's the world vs the U.S. in mortality rates due to COVID-19:
Total confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people - Our World in Data

In the SCIENCE BASED world, we understand that it's not possible to accurately measure mortality rates in the midst of a pandemic. That can only be assess afterward. But right now, the U.S. mortality rate is about 6x higher than the rest of the world. Higher than German. Higher than Canada. Higher than Switzerland. Higher than Poland. Higher than Mexico. Higher than Russia. Higher than Ireland. About the same as France. Less than the U.K, Italy and Spain.
----
"Over the past two months, however, Europe has succeeded at crushing the virus, and the U.S. has not. Just look at the chart (which compares the U.S. to a contiguous 16-country region of Western Europe with a nearly identical population):

COVID-19: U.S. vs Europe

European countries have used a combination of lockdowns, public health guidance, tests and contact tracing to beat back the virus. Large parts of Europe have begun reopening, including schools, so far without sparking major new outbreaks.

The U.S. response has been more scattered and less successful. Government efforts to inform the public about the pandemic have been a colossal failure, which means that most people are hearing mixed and muffled messages about what to do. It’s not surprising that a lot of folks are believing misinformation as a result, and others are just throwing up their hands."
----
Now, by other measures (i.e. deaths per 100,000) the U.S. is just behind the U.K.. But again, these are all numbers that will evolve over time. The fact that the U.S. has almost as many new cases per day as the rest of the modern world (combined) means that the U.S. death toll and death rate are only going to continue to rise, while places like the U.K. will begin to see those stats decrease. At this point, death rate is not a reliable statistic, because it's a function of so many other variables (like capacity of health care systems at a given moment in time, etc.).

But all of that is irrelevant, because (as ANY health professional would tell you) incidence rate (i.e. new cases) is the best determinant of future outcomes while in the midst of any pandemic. So the FACT that nearly EVERY other 1st world economy has succeeded in flattening and controlling their COVID-19 incidence rates, while the U.S. is seeing it's rates increase exponentially (which is much worse than linearly), means that the worst is yet to come for the U.S.


:roll:
And the above just reminds me that I'm dealing with an uneducated ideologue.

Parse abuser - not read

 

[ultmd]

I am certain that with a different President, the U.S. would be in much better shape.

I am most certain of that, too. Most Americans are, as well.

This is the most egregious representation of poor American leadership in at least century. And the results have been (and are continuing to be) tragic.

But this is not all Trump.
The lack of leadership has taken place, and continues to take place at the Governor and Mayoral levels as well. The Countries that are doing well worked as a team at all leadership levels.

Sorry but I don't buy this. It's time to stop grading this president on a curve. He's not retarded. He's just completely over his head as a world leader (or a leader of any kind).

Nowhere in the history of our country have we blamed governors and mayors for a response to a national (actually international) tragedy. Sorry, you just don't get to pass the buck like that, just because one of your guys is in the white house.

But beyond that, most of the governors you're talking about have been GOP governors who have taken their marching orders directly from their president. And, in so doing, those same governors have REPEATEDLY over-ridden the efforts of Democratic mayors in large (and small) cities who have attempted to mandate masks...and attempted to continue and/or lengthen lockdowns.

So again, with all due respect, you will not be able to play the "both sides are to blame" card again. Not this time. The public is finally paying attention.

I don't think the U.S. is capable of that anymore.

I disagree, because I believe in my country. I believe in facts. I believe in science. And I believe in REAL news.

The problem we have is that a large faction of the public has been so thoroughly brainwashed (gaslighted) for the last 25 years, that they no longer can tell the difference between truth and opinion.

I don't know when this lack of cohesiveness first got started but I know when I first noticed it. It was under George W. Bush when the U.S. went to war in Afghanistan and then in Iraq. Usually when a Country is at war, everyone has to sacrifice. That is what it means when you "support the troops". In the U.S. rather than sacrifice, you were given a tax cut. Outside of those with family members in the Military, the war was just one more item on the news.

I am sure it started before then but that is when I noticed it.

It did start before then. But your point, above, is well-taken.

With COVID-19 I am sure if Trump showed real leadership, came out with a national plan and used the bully pulpit to implement that plan, many more of the Governors would have toed the line. But those Governors had the information, they knew what medical professionals were advising, they knew what other countries were doing. Instead of leading with prudence, they chose to lead with incompetence and negligence.

If there is one thing we've learned over the last 3.5 years, it's that GOP leaders will follow Trump's lead. His failure (or inability) to lead finally caught up to us all. This was Trump's first chance to really lead in a time of national crisis. He should what he's made of. For most of us, this comes as no surprise. But for his followers, it's is hard (or impossible) to accept...and you can see that here on this board. They look at him like the Nazis looked to Hitler. And I mean that, literally. It's that bad.

I don't know when this is going to end for the U.S.

It ends when the American people decide they have had enough.

In any democracy, you get the government you deserve. We have a lot of conservatives who are motivated by race and culture issues that they will vote against their own best interests...and those of the country, as well.

I can tell you this, I am dreading the news from the U.S., Brazil and India over the next 12 months.

No doubt. I know a thing or two about science and medicine. Trust me on this: it's going to be bad.

 

[ultmd]

Parse abuser - not read

:lamo

As expected.

We all know that ignorant conservatives do not like read. And they HATE to have their ignorance laid out in public for all to see.

So in your case, you understand that you're in way over your head on this discussion, and this is your way of bowing out.

We'll just consider this to be your official surrender.

Got it. You can go now, AO.

:lamo

 

[jnug]

That's the Party of the Sanctity of Human Life for ya.

BTW: Trump says keeping your kids safe is too expensive.

Trump trashes CDC school-reopening guidelines -- then CDC updates them - CNNPolitics



But, hey. At least they save the fetuses before killing our babies.

As much of a cluster as this administration has been for the past 3.5 years, today was quite a notable train wreck for the Keystone Kops Trump Administration.

In the first place, once again Trump does not use the powers of his office that he does have and portends that he will use powers that he does not have particularly in an election year. Example of more trumpian nonsense: "I will cut funding to school systems that do not open on time."

In the first place, Trump does not have the authority to unilaterally cut school funding. So there is that. In the second place, go ahead DonDon. Make Biden's day. Try to cut school funding and watch what happens to your election chances then...however slim they are at this point. You can bookend that mess with claiming you are defending Pre-Existing conditions insurance coverage for Americans while sending the DOJ into the courts with a Brief that specifically calls for the ending of Pre-existing conditions coverage. Go ahead DonDon. See how that works out for you.

Then the CDC Director, Dr Redfied says that the CDC school opening guidelines are just guidelines. As with everything else, the administration did not mandate anything with regard to COVID-19, not once. They are just guidelines as Redfield says. But he goes on to say that he hopes schools districts have not been considering them in their school opening plans. Then goes on to say that CDC will release new guidelines. I can just guess what these will be? "If you can turn the school building air conditioning on, OPEN!

Actually they should say "Please open" since that appears to be what they want come hell or high water. The simple truth is that Trump and his useless Administration is toothless with regard to school opening regardless of how much he blusters. Governors that have their noses firmly affixed to his butthole might comply with him. Even that is going to be iffy the way Trump is going. The Trump Party Boat has hit heavy seas and is foundering.

These characters would be funny if they were not so sad...from the Orangutan in the Oval on down.

 

[haymarket]

"If you can turn the school building air conditioning on, OPEN!

What is this air conditioning of which you speak? I taught for over 33 years in two different buildings over my career and neither had air conditioning. And in the early years I also taught summer school.

 

[jnug]

What is this air conditioning of which you speak? I taught for over 33 years in two different buildings over my career and neither had air conditioning. And in the early years I also taught summer school.

Touche....I never had any air conditioning either. In fact I don't think I even had air!