This election in simple terms.

[Lutherf]

Could you please post something that isn't ****ing delusional?

This country cannot run without its executive agencies for a very simple reason: congress neither has the time, expertise, nor staff to fully understand everything agencies address. There isn't time for every congressperson to get a degree in everything and devote their life to everything such that they can specify what is and is not an acceptable level of CHEMICAL X in drinking water, how much support a certain part of a certain type of bridge needs to be able to provide, the necessary orbital trajectory and timing to get a probe from Earth's surface to Mars's surface, yadda yadda yadda. We need the agencies.

If you think otherwise, you're operating from a position of extreme ignorance and blind ideology.

Meanwhile, Project 2025 - and don't bother with the laughable bullshit about "Trump said he doesn't support it" - promises not to get rid of agencies but merely to turn them into Trump's personal weapons and piggy banks. Far close to what you pretend to panic about than what you claim might actually cause people to be "slaves" to amorphous "bureaucracy".




The vast bulk of right wingers are the perfect example of Asimov's quote about America's cult of ignorance. You not only don't know how things work, you actively despise the concept of knowing. All you've got is melodramatic sloganeering.

State control gave us Jim Crow and now, women without the right to control their own bodies and individuals deprived of the right to get the health care they need, voter suppression, bans on free speech, banned books in libraries, and government indoctrination of education, and that's just for starters.

You really want these things?

Why must it be all or nothing with you people? I have no problem with most federal agencies but I have a whole lot of problem with those agencies having effectively unlimited power and the expansion of that power.

I don't think we should have an FBI/CIA/NSA with effectively unlimited powers to dig into the everyday life of US citizens just to see if they can find a crime to prosecute. I have HUGE problems with a Department of Education that is little more than an election support group for the teacher's union. I can't even begin to tell you how much of a problem I have with a Department of Justice that focuses primarily on how to use the law to effect social engineering. The idea that this nation should be subjected to some sort of "one size fits all" federal bureaucracy is anathema to the fundamental principles of individual liberty that has brought us to our current level of success.

 

[iguanaman]

Isn't it amazing that the Americans provide undoctored video - but the democrats always have to put fake slander out in order to try and appear clever.

Very sad.

There is no "doctored video" in those clips. The truth is not "clever" either. You are blinded by an infatuation with a demagogue. It is so sad.

 

[Kelby]

No one can afford bacon because of wind power...

I can get some on the Black Market.

PM me.

 

[Kelby]

So, if the windmills cause cancer... does that make the bacon cancerous?

 

[Rexedgar]

I've browsed through the Project 2025 agenda but didn't go through all 900+ pages of it. Those "think tank" papers tend to be more pipe dream than substance anyway and, since Trump pretty much distanced himself from that issue right off the bat, I find suggestions that it's "his plan" to be more than a little disingenuous.

Trump only “distanced” himself from P2025 when it came to light and people started to become aware of what was in it.

The manual was published in April, 2023 and Trump first disowned it on his fake Twitter in May or June, 2024.

No one asked him about it, he just posted one day…….

 

[iguanaman]

Why must it be all or nothing with you people? I have no problem with most federal agencies but I have a whole lot of problem with those agencies having effectively unlimited power and the expansion of that power.

I don't think we should have an FBI/CIA/NSA with effectively unlimited powers to dig into the everyday life of US citizens just to see if they can find a crime to prosecute. I have HUGE problems with a Department of Education that is little more than an election support group for the teacher's union. I can't even begin to tell you how much of a problem I have with a Department of Justice that focuses primarily on how to use the law to effect social engineering. The idea that this nation should be subjected to some sort of "one size fits all" federal bureaucracy is anathema to the fundamental principles of individual liberty that has brought us to our current level of success.

So you don't think crimes should be prosecuted or that schools should have minimum standards ? You are right up Trump's alley and he wants to have the ultimate power. He will only prosecute those that do not pay up or are his enemies and he will have our children taught that he invented the desk so kids may learn.

 

[Lutherf]

So what’s your fix?

The ultimate "fix" would be to return primary taxation to the states thus controlling the money spigot to the federal government and forcing every state to re-evaluate every pie in the sky idea they want to implement. While I don't really see that happening any time in the near future I would like to see some immediate steps to head that direction. The Dobbs decision was a step in the right direction and I really believe that the GOP health care bill that McCain scuttled would have been a great start in that direction.

 

[Lutherf]

So you don't think crimes should be prosecuted or that schools should have minimum standards ? You are right up Trump's alley and he wants to have the ultimate power. He will only prosecute those that do not pay up and he will have our children taught that he invented the desk so kids may learn.

I do think that crimes should be punished and that schools should have minimum standards. I'm not a Democrat.

 

[Jason Warfield]

I too have perused it. As is often the case with think tank collaborations - not all the authors agree with each other inside the paper itself. You will find several who contradict each other.

None of the board Marxists have read the paper - they rely purely on the leftist hate sites like MSNBC and Young Turds to tell them what they think about it.

I haven’t finished it, but am reading it. Basically, to sum up what I have read this far is this: we don’t want a large government unless it is to advance the Christian nationalist agenda.

There IS disagreement on how to do that. And there are some minor policy disputes.

But just to mention something I read eighth off the bat that show Ike concern anyone is the idea tgat being single as you grow older could be construed as deviant behavior and that one should be looked at as a result. They believe all Americans should be married and pushing out kids and anyone who doesn’t should be looked at with suspicion.

This is in the first chapter of memory serves correct.

Side Note: I realize that it is politically correct and/or in vogue to take your cues from MAGA-mite talking heads when you label us a Marxist…but could you actually be bothered to think for yourselves and learn what it actually means to be Marxist?

I know you will learn you’ve been applying the term incorrectly and you won’t like that, but this is getting silly and we are starting to laugh at you guys over it. Your call: find another way to label us or continue to look stupid and we laugh at you for it. I’m good either way.

 

[Rexedgar]

The ultimate "fix" would be to return primary taxation to the states thus controlling the money spigot to the federal government and forcing every state to re-evaluate every pie in the sky idea they want to implement. While I don't really see that happening any time in the near future I would like to see some immediate steps to head that direction. The Dobbs decision was a step in the right direction and I really believe that the GOP health care bill that McCain scuttled would have been a great start in that direction.

The “ultimate” fix, as you call it is to get money out of politics, outlaw lobbying as an organized business and stiffen up penalties for betraying public trus.

And shorten the campaign season, drastically.

 

[Quag]

Here's another version with 2 simple images

 

[iguanaman]

I've browsed through the Project 2025 agenda but didn't go through all 900+ pages of it. Those "think tank" papers tend to be more pipe dream than substance anyway and, since Trump pretty much distanced himself from that issue right off the bat, I find suggestions that it's "his plan" to be more than a little disingenuous.

Trump plan has been outed by hidden camera footage where a co-author of Project 2025 state that Trump is disavowing it because of political reasons but will go full steam ahead with it if elected. You are either totally misinformed or are now lying about it too. Which is it? By the way the plan gives Trump absolute power and the ability to fire anyone that refuses to do his bidding. That does not sound like a plan that Trump would want to you?

 

[Ikari]

In simple terms the election comes down between a convicted felon who inspired a sedition against the Republic and conspired to overturn an election he lost vs. a more standard political creature. I don't know if Harris will be a good President overall or if she can even get through some of her more grandiose ideas, but she's better than Trump and his MAGA commies who want to turn the US into NK.

 

[Ikari]

I think patriotism is a little more complex than chanting USA to a man who talks shit about America and thinks only he can make America "great again" which implies it's not great.

Or chanting USA to a man who inspired an actual act of sedition against the Republic and actively worked to overturn an election because he lost and is a ****ing baby.

MAGA commie "patriotism" is the worst kind.....fake.

 

[Jason Warfield]

Leftists, Marxists, democrats - they hate America. Every 4 years the party tries to pretend that it doesn't - but we see the epic fail of that,

If you actually understood the term Marxism and applied it correctly, then I would take your jingoism a smidge more seriously.

 

[iguanaman]

I do think that crimes should be punished and that schools should have minimum standards. I'm not a Democrat.

You just said you wanted to end the FBI so they could not prosecute crimes and end the DOE who set those minimum standards. Are you lying again?

 

[mike2810]

Why must it be all or nothing with you people? I have no problem with most federal agencies but I have a whole lot of problem with those agencies having effectively unlimited power and the expansion of that power.

I don't think we should have an FBI/CIA/NSA with effectively unlimited powers to dig into the everyday life of US citizens just to see if they can find a crime to prosecute.

Do you have any source link that backs up what you believe is happening with the FBI/CIA/NSA and everyday life of a citizen or are you feeding off of what Trump feels is happening to him?
The reason I ask is it is my view the agencies you mentioned use the warrant process to do investigations into crimes.

I have HUGE problems with a Department of Education that is little more than an election support group for the teacher's union.

and I have a huge problem with what some in the GOP are doing to education in my State with the so called voucher program, making promises to improve public education and fall flat in doing so.

I can't even begin to tell you how much of a problem I have with a Department of Justice that focuses primarily on how to use the law to effect social engineering.

Seems some of the laws the maga gop have gotten passed is doing what you are saying. They are using laws to social engineer to their views. For example: the overturning of Roe v Wade and what the maga gop are doing in States to take away a woman's right to choose.

The idea that this nation should be subjected to some sort of "one size fits all" federal bureaucracy is anathema to the fundamental principles of individual liberty that has brought us to our current level of success.

It seems you are big on States rights. We are the "United" States of American. It is interesting the trend where something can be legal in one State but not another. There are some issues, social and other issues that are better served when they apply to all States uniformly.

 

[iguanaman]

The ultimate "fix" would be to return primary taxation to the states thus controlling the money spigot to the federal government and forcing every state to re-evaluate every pie in the sky idea they want to implement. While I don't really see that happening any time in the near future I would like to see some immediate steps to head that direction. The Dobbs decision was a step in the right direction and I really believe that the GOP health care bill that McCain scuttled would have been a great start in that direction.

We are the UNITED states not a loose alliance of city/states. Also what is the GOP healthcare bill? They never passed one even with majorities in both Houses.

Senate Republicans initially sought to pass the Better Care Reconciliation Act of 2017 (BCRA), a healthcare bill containing provisions largely similar to those of the AHCA. The BCRA was never voted on in its original form due to opposition from several Republican senators. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell instead sought to pass the Health Care Freedom Act (HCFA), which was colloquially referred to as a "skinny repeal" by Republicans since it would only repeal the individual mandate and the employer mandate. On July 27, the Senate rejected the HCFA in a 51-to-49 vote, with Republican senators Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, and John McCain joining with all Senate Democrats in voting against it. In September 2017, some Republican senators pushed a renewed effort to repeal the ACA, but their bill never received a vote in the Senate. The 115th Congress ultimately did not pass an ACA repeal bill, though it did pass the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, which repealed the individual mandate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Health_Care_Act_of_2017

 

[MrNiceGuy]

The two sides are clearly illustrate here.

LOL - you can hear the wires disconnecting in their brains, lol. They are so used to declaring the USA is a white supremacist, racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic system of oppression that needs to be dismantled and disrupted, that actually chanting for it is difficult for them. They're used to applauding teachers for refusing to have the American flag in classrooms and wanting the American flag replaced by the latest version of the Pride flag, lol.

 

[Ikari]

Do you have any source link that backs up what you believe is happening with the FBI/CIA/NSA and everyday life of a citizen or are you feeding off of what Trump feels is happening to him?
The reason I ask is it is my view the agencies you mentioned use the warrant process to do investigations into crimes.


and I have a huge problem with what some in the GOP are doing to education in my State with the so called voucher program, making promises to improve public education and fall flat in doing so.

Seems some of the laws the maga gop have gotten passed is doing what you are saying. They are using laws to social engineer to their views. For example: the overturning of Roe v Wade and what the maga gop are doing in States to take away a woman's right to choose.

It seems you are big on States rights. We are the "United" States of American. It is interesting the trend where something can be legal in one State but not another. There are some issues, social and other issues that are better served when they apply to all States uniformly.

Since when has MAGA ever had proof of anything they claim? They just spew shit out into the ether and then pretend it's real.

 

[Uncensored2008]

State control gave us Jim Crow and now, women without the right to control their own bodies and individuals deprived of the right to get the health care they need, voter suppression, bans on free speech, banned books in libraries, and government indoctrination of education, and that's just for starters.

You really want these things?

And that's why you oppose democracy and demand a central dictatorship?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Since when has MAGA ever had proof of anything they claim? They just spew shit out into the ether and then pretend it's real.

Says the one who claims a 3 hour protest is INSURRECTION.... Whilst excusing the real insurrection of Chaz/Chop.

LOL

 

[Lutherf]

You just said you wanted to end the FBI so they could not prosecute crimes and end the DOE who set those minimum standards. Are you lying again?

That's not what I said. That's your spin on what I said.

 

[Ikari]

Says the one who claims a 3 hour protest is INSURRECTION.... Whilst excusing the real insurrection of Chaz/Chop.

LOL

Where have I ever said the word "insurrection"?

lol

Lying again as usual, it seems.

 

[Hari Seldon]

I can get some on the Black Market.

PM me.

$3.99 a pound at shoprite this week. Bowl and Basket , their own brand. No ID required.