Thinking about 9/11

[ozeco41]

To which Ozeco, immediately seeing that he has repeated a very obvious but funny typo that I am making fun of, responds

Yes. I'm out of practice at proof reading on a forum with a limited edit window.

Still - the points I made in the linked post were explicit and clear. T Szamboti had no problem with the concept. enik took a lot more persuading to get him to focus. AND "catenary sag" is a very effective force multiplier. :mrgreen:

Will still be true on the centenary of the post.

Which was a true comment - the bold bit I've reposted which you quote mined. And that part of the episode is still amusing. I noticed that you did not respond to the bit I have now shown in grey text. Because that corrected one of the lies that litter your posts.

Meanwhile the real reason is that I've been posting a bit on FaceBook since serious discussion ceased on the forums.

FaceBook has no edit window. And rapid fire exchanges make it easy to leave typos - especially auto-spell check typos. So if I find errors on later reading a post I correct the spelling but I dont post edit substantive content if there have been responses to what I say.

Another "bad habit" from facebook - it needs "CTL Enter" to get a new line. So "CTL Enter" becomes the new line reflex. BUT I use Thunderbird as my email client and in Thunderbird "CTL Enter" is the send message hot key....grrr... I've sent a few half drafted emails over recent months when typing with brain in neutral.

 

[NWO_Spook]

Perhaps you might be able to answer this question; how did the thermitics survive the fires without being triggered?

Perhaps not. *SIGH* No one seems to want to answer this question, as I've been asking it for nearly ten years without anyone even attempting a cogent response.

 

[gerrycan]

I noticed that you did not respond to the bit I have now shown in grey text. Because that corrected one of the lies that litter your posts.

Still - the points I made in the linked post were explicit and clear. T Szamboti had no problem with the concept. enik took a lot more persuading to get him to focus. AND "catenary sag" is a very effective force multiplier.

The truss has maximum purchase on both ends if it's distorted right at the middle obviously, yes

Did you see that ?

 

[gerrycan]

Perhaps you might be able to answer this question; how did the thermitics survive the fires without being triggered?

Sorry Spook, I missed this post.

I'd be speculating a little, but I reckon if you put it in a steel box it wouldn't go off in a hydrocarbon fire. Standard detonation initiators won't set it off for example, even if they are in direct contact. It needs it's white hot temp to start the reaction. Magnesium would do it though.

 

[gerrycan]

Perhaps not. *SIGH* No one seems to want to answer this question, as I've been asking it for nearly ten years without anyone even attempting a cogent response.

You should have just googled "thermite ignition temperature". See what temp you come up with for it.

ADD try here maybe? Thermite - Wikipedia

 

[NWO_Spook]

Sorry Spook, I missed this post.

I'd be speculating a little, but I reckon if you put it in a steel box it wouldn't go off in a hydrocarbon fire. Standard detonation initiators won't set it off for example, even if they are in direct contact. It needs it's white hot temp to start the reaction. Magnesium would do it though.

Thanks for that, please disregard my later post. So, when this speculation becomes a narrative it seems rather absurd:

They covertly placed steel boxes containing thermitic material on the floors to be targeted. Then they flew planes into these floors and waited for the fires to trigger these thermitic charges.

That's ridiculous. Why wouldn't they have just bombed the WTC and blamed Bin Laden without this Byzantine charade? Who dreams up this stuff?

 

[NWO_Spook]

You should have just googled "thermite ignition temperature". See what temp you come up with for it.

ADD try here maybe? Thermite - Wikipedia

I knew already it didn't take much to ignite this sort of substance, but that is not what I asked. I still find it somewhat incredible that this material wouldn't be triggered by the fires, as a common sparkler is sufficient to ignite it.

This story is rather silly.

 

[Manc Skipper]

I read somewhere that the POTUS has a good idea who did it!

 

[NWO_Spook]

I read somewhere that the POTUS has a good idea who did it!

LOL...Yeah, he has the proof next to the birth certificate in a safe somewhere.

 

[gerrycan]

Thanks for that, please disregard my later post. So, when this speculation becomes a narrative it seems rather absurd:

They covertly placed steel boxes containing thermitic material on the floors to be targeted. Then they flew planes into these floors and waited for the fires to trigger these thermitic charges.

That's ridiculous. Why wouldn't they have just bombed the WTC and blamed Bin Laden without this Byzantine charade? Who dreams up this stuff?

WTF are you on about ? "waited on the fires to trigger these..." is the OPPOSITE of what I just said.

 

[NWO_Spook]

WTF are you on about ? "waited on the fires to trigger these..." is the OPPOSITE of what I just said.

Of course something would ignite the magnesium you mentioned, so that would be the fires would it not? Or do I add yet another ignition source into this already absurd scenario?

 

[gerrycan]

I knew already it didn't take much to ignite this sort of substance, but that is not what I asked. I still find it somewhat incredible that this material wouldn't be triggered by the fires, as a common sparkler is sufficient to ignite it.

This story is rather silly.

Yeah, you knew already.......

From the wiki link
"Ignition of a thermite reaction normally requires a sparkler or easily obtainable magnesium ribbon, but may require persistent efforts, as ignition can be unreliable and unpredictable. These temperatures cannot be reached with conventional black powder fuses, nitrocellulose rods, detonators, pyrotechnic initiators, or other common igniting substances. Even when the thermite is hot enough to glow bright red, it doesn't ignite, as it must be at or near white-hot to initiate the reaction. It is possible to start the reaction using a propane torch if done correctly"

Re magnesium and sparklers
"Mg Magnesium burns a very bright white, so it is used to add white sparks or to improve the overall brilliance of a firework. Due to its propensity to form a protective cover of magnesium oxide, it is normally used in the form of the alloy magnalium."

But I guess you knew all that already too eh.

 

[NWO_Spook]

Yeah, you knew already.......

Yes.

"Ignition of a thermite reaction normally requires a sparkler or easily obtainable magnesium ribbon, but may require persistent efforts, as ignition can be unreliable and unpredictable.

Yes I can read and I do not discount the hostile environment this 'steel box' was supposed to be in. This story is risible.

But I guess you knew all that already too eh.

Of course.

 

[gerrycan]

Yes.



Yes I can read and I do not discount the environment this 'steel box' was supposed to be in. This story is risible.



Of course.

Good stuff champ. Off ya pop now..

See ya.

 

[NWO_Spook]

Good stuff champ. Off ya pop now..

See ya.

Now, now, there's no need to get all flustered when your story falls apart. Take a deep breath and think about it for a minute.

Let's recap.

1. Steel boxes containing thermitic material were surreptitiously placed on the relevant floors of the WTC, and included in these boxes were magnesium triggers of some unknown description in order to set off these 'charges'. These boxes were able to survive fires of 1,100 -1,800 degrees F.

2. Now to mask all these thermitic charges, SPECTRE flew planes into the relevant floors in order to start fires, therefore TPTB would use the fires as a cause in its nefarious plot.

3. All this was done to start a war with Afghanistan in order to beat Al-Qaeda when they already had plenty of cause to do just that with the embassy bombings and that of the Cole.

Awesome.

 

[gerrycan]

I read somewhere that the POTUS has a good idea who did it!

I wonder what point that lost credibility at lol I never read small print.

Great signature you got there though.

"Here's tae us. Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a'deid." :2wave:

 

[gerrycan]

Now, now, there's no need to get all flustered when your story falls apart. Take a deep breath and think about it for a minute.

Let's recap.

1. Steel boxes containing thermitic material were surreptitiously placed on the relevant floors of the WTC, and included in these boxes were magnesium triggers of some unknown description in order to set off these 'charges'. These boxes were able to survive fires of 1,100 -1,800 degrees F.

2. Now to mask all these thermitic charges, SPECTRE flew planes into the relevant floors in order to start fires, therefore TPTB would use the fires as a cause in its nefarious plot.

3. All this was done to start a war with Afghanistan in order to beat Al-Qaeda when they already had plenty of cause to do just that with the embassy bombings and that of the Cole.

Awesome.

That's not actually anything like what I said, but whatever gets ya through champ.

Your turn now. - HOW DID FIRE DO IT ? Explain please.

 

[NWO_Spook]

That's not actually anything like what I said, but whatever gets ya through champ.

Did I say you said it? No. Please try to keep up, for I am constructing a narrative based upon various claims, as stated earlier. Oh, and please don't call me 'Champ' - 'Blues' will do just fine, thanks.

Your turn now. - HOW DID FIRE DO IT ? Explain please.

I'm merely trying to make sense out of all these silly tales. Aren't you the one challenging that claim? Have you disproved it?

 

[gerrycan]

Did I say you said it? No. Please try to keep up, for I am constructing a narrative based upon the claims of truthers, as stated earlier.



I'm merely trying to make sense out of all these silly tales. Aren't you the one challenging that claim? Have you disproved it?

No ye weren't. You said it was "my story" and then went on to "recap" my story that now you say isn't my story but it's really your story. Stop tellin stories and start talking storeys.

How was it fire initiated this again ? Just to recap on your story.....











.Ends

 

[NWO_Spook]

No ye weren't. You said it was "my story" and then went on to "recap" my story that now you say isn't my story but it's really your story. Stop tellin stories and start talking storeys.

You seem to be having a problem comprehending my posts. Please supply the post number where I suggested or stated it was YOUR story. I'm assembling a narrative based upon what I've been told.

Take a deep breath and calm down for a minute.

How was it fire initiated this again ? Just to recap on your story.....

According to the texts (it's not my story of course), the fires were hot enough to induce sag in the relevant floors thus causing the joints to the outer structure to fail. The collapses followed. Have you disproven this?

 

[gerrycan]

Now, now, there's no need to get all flustered when your story falls apart. Take a deep breath and think about it for a minute.

Let's recap.

Take a deep breath. It'll allow the oxygen to return upstairs.....

 

[gerrycan]

According to the texts (it's not my story of course), the fires were hot enough to induce sag in the relevant floors thus causing the joints to the outer structure to fail. The collapses followed. Have you disproven this?

I think you mean "according to the finite element models" there, not texts. And yes it has been thoroughly disproven. NIST added a 5kip lateral force in order to get the perimeter columns to pull in. I reckon the core failed and pulled in the perimeters when they began to go at the South face of the North tower.

To clarify - I didn't discover the 5kip added force. Not sure who it was.

 

[NWO_Spook]

Take a deep breath. It'll allow the oxygen to return upstairs.....

LOL ok, there's no need to be insulting, for I simply missed that one. You must admit though that the narrative is absurd, and it is only based upon what I'm told by those who claim they are sceptical.

Have you disproven the fire narrative? The alternative looks somewhat irrational when compared to the fire scenario, so probability must come into play here don't you think?

 

[NWO_Spook]

I think you mean "according to the finite element models" there, not texts.

When the report was published it became a text.

And yes it has been thoroughly disproven. NIST added a 5kip lateral force in order to get the perimeter columns to pull in. I reckon the core failed and pulled in the perimeters when they began to go at the South face of the North tower.

To clarify - I didn't discover the 5kip added force. Not sure who it was.

Is there a paper on this? One can actually view the outside columns being pulled in around the crash zone on the footage.

 

[gerrycan]

When the report was published it became a text.



Is there a paper on this?

Yeah. There's many.

Do you think it would be reasonable to just "adjust" the inward bowing in a model to match the observation, if the model did not produce that inward bowing by itself?