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They're Lying About 'Unprovoked' Again. This Time In Defense Of Israel.

H. E. Panqui

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We’re seeing the western political/media class bleating the word “unprovoked” in unison again, this time in reference to the massive multi-pronged operation launched by Hamas against Israel on Saturday morning which reportedly killed hundreds of Israelis....

It’s clear by now that whenever you see the word “unprovoked” being forcefully repeated in a uniform way across the entire political/media class, whatever they’re talking about was definitely massively provoked. We saw this exact same thing when Russia invaded Ukraine; from the very beginning western politics and media were saturated with the word “unprovoked”, bashing the western public in the face with that message over and over and over again despite the obvious and undeniable fact that the war in Ukraine was most definitely provoked. As Noam Chomsky quipped last year, “Of course, it was provoked. Otherwise, they wouldn’t refer to it all the time as an unprovoked invasion...”


Calling Palestinian violence against Israel “unprovoked” is easily even more ridiculous than calling the Russian invasion unprovoked, because the abuses of Israeli apartheid are so well-known by the general public at this point. Multiple mainstream human rights organizations have accused Israel of administering an abusive apartheid regime which treats Palestinians as lesser people. Palestinians who live in the open-air prison known as Gaza are deliberately subjected to undrinkable water, food shortages, energy shortages and bombing campaigns. Those outside Gaza are subjected to racist, violent policing and land seizure and live under a different set of laws than Jewish Israelis. The entire people were forced out of their homes to make way for a new state for reasons that had nothing to do with them, and any attempt to resist this has seen them killed as “terrorists”. Of course the attack was provoked...."

 
I assumed someone from the Russian propaganda squad would show up eventually telling us that Hamas is not a terrorist organization but rather... misunderstood.

And of course some 'War Party' cheerleaders for the world champion terrorists will show up.
 
I assumed someone from the Russian propaganda squad would show up eventually telling us that Hamas is not a terrorist organization but rather... misunderstood.

Hamas is a terrorist organisation and the actions carried out by them two days ago were indefensible, but lets not kid ourselves that they were unprovoked.
 
It's pretty obvious that the conditions that the Palestinians are forced to live under would provoke anybody, but they are not the good guys either. (Nobody in that particular conflict are "the good guys").

The smart move would be to tie any aid for Israel to aid for Ukraine. At least, then some of the money is going to a good cause while other money is wasted in the middle east (and that money is going to get wasted in the middle east anyway, there's no stopping that).
 
And of course some 'War Party' cheerleaders for the world champion terrorists will show up.

Explain to us, as in exactly, how Hamas' actions are justified. Don't hold back, come out and support them full stop.
 
Explain to us, as in exactly, how Hamas' actions are justified. Don't hold back, come out and support them full stop.

Explain to us exactly how IZrael's murderous, thieving, racist, etc., actions for the last 50 years are justified. Don't hold back, come out and support them full stop like ?your $hit puppet Biden or ?your $hit puppet Trump, etc. Republicrats ad nau$eam.
 
Explain to us exactly how IZrael's murderous, thieving, racist, etc., actions for the last 50 years are justified. Don't hold back, come out and support them full stop like ?your $hit puppet Biden or ?your $hit puppet Trump, etc. Republicrats ad nau$eam.

Interesting take, do you have a similar opinion on the 9/11 terrorists?
 
Hamas is a terrorist organisation and the actions carried out by them two days ago were indefensible, but lets not kid ourselves that they were unprovoked.

I agree, the idea of unprovoked is opinion I also disagree with. It is more that this OP has a track record of propaganda, I was curious how far it would be taken.
 
Which 'terrorists'? The world champion terrorists?

The guys flying planes into buildings, did Russia not prepare you for that conversation?
 
The guys flying planes into buildings, did Russia not prepare you for that conversation?

Those terrorists were little-leaguers compared to the ones you support/apologize for. Word.

Reality check.
 
Those terrorists were little-leaguers compared to the ones you support/apologize for. Word.

Reality check.

Since this is your take then who do you support in the following conflicts.

Ukraine or Russia?
Israel or Hamas?
US or various Islamic Terrorists Groups?
 
Since this is your take then who do you support in the following conflicts.

Ukraine or Russia?
Israel or Hamas?
US or various Islamic Terrorists Groups?

I am against the U$ government $upporting any of them! But I'm ok with YOU using YOUR life, money, any way YOU want.

Btw, this is kindergarten libertarianism 101, DF :rolleyes: 'libertarians' [lol!]
 
I am against the U$ government $upporting any of them! But I'm ok with YOU using YOUR life, money, any way YOU want.

Btw, this is kindergarten libertarianism 101, DF :rolleyes: 'libertarians' [lol!]

That was not the question, and I am not a libertarian.

Again... who do you support in the following conflicts.

Ukraine or Russia?
Israel or Hamas?
US or various Islamic Terrorists Groups?

It is a very simple question.
 
I am against the U$ government $upporting any of them! But I'm ok with YOU using YOUR life, money, any way YOU want.

Btw, this is kindergarten libertarianism 101, DF :rolleyes: 'libertarians' [lol!]
Yup and it displays the naivete of liberalism in assuming that power vacuums won't just be filled in an even less desirable way.
 
It's pretty obvious that the conditions that the Palestinians are forced to live under would provoke anybody, but they are not the good guys either. (Nobody in that particular conflict are "the good guys").

The smart move would be to tie any aid for Israel to aid for Ukraine. At least, then some of the money is going to a good cause while other money is wasted in the middle east (and that money is going to get wasted in the middle east anyway, there's no stopping that).
Why do I get the impression you think that Hamas and the Palestinian people are one in the same when they are obviously not.
 
Why do I get the impression you think that Hamas and the Palestinian people are one in the same when they are obviously not.
Obviously they are not, just like a random coffee shop owner in Tel-Aviv isn't some faction in Israeli society.

What's your point?
 
That was not the question, and I am not a libertarian.

Again... who do you support in the following conflicts.

Ukraine or Russia?
Israel or Hamas?
US or various Islamic Terrorists Groups?

It is a very simple question.

AGAIN. I do not/would not support any of them!. Imo you'd have to be a gd fool, monster, etc., to support ANY of them!

[Ime, many Republicrats are plagued with a retarded 'binary' 'thinking' pattern. Ugh.]
 
Get rid of Hamas and things should vastly improve for the Palestinian people in Gaza.
Unlikely.

Having an apartheid situation is something that is in the Israeli government's best interest to be able to consolidate the region and make it defensible.

Hamas sucks, but so does the Israeli government. Pretty much every power base in that region is one form or another of evil.
 
The smart move would be to tie any aid for Israel to aid for Ukraine.

The REALLY "smart move" would be to stop feeding the Military Industrial Complex and stop sending weapons to both Ukraine and Israel.

Neither Ukraine nor Israel are in the US, they are not part of the US and we shouldnt be spending another dime on any of this.
 
The REALLY "smart move" would be to stop feeding the Military Industrial Complex and stop sending weapons to both Ukraine and Israel.

Neither Ukraine nor Israel are in the US, they are not part of the US and we shouldnt be spending another dime on any of this.
Then we will just have to spend even more in the future with a much more empowered Russia or other evil state actors as they seek to get big enough to threaten us directly.
 
The REALLY "smart move" would be to stop feeding the Military Industrial Complex and stop sending weapons to both Ukraine and Israel.

Neither Ukraine nor Israel are in the US, they are not part of the US and we shouldnt be spending another dime on any of this.

(y)

I wonder how long it will take for one of the people PT Barnum was talking about to blather "You love Russia and Hamas!"
 
Then we will just have to spend even more in the future with a much more empowered Russia or other evil state actors as they seek to get big enough to threaten us directly.

Clean up your own stinking house before you point the finger at others.
 
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