MaggieD
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class warfare is the main argument obama will use in 2012. He will whine about the "rich" not paying their fair share when they are actually the only group that pays more of the income tax burden than their share of the income. If the GOP agreed to a tax hike on the "rich" they are playing into this class warfare scheme. If they agreed to a tax hike on the middle class even worse. why couldn't the dems start with spending cuts? why should someone like me pay any more taxes when I already pay more than millions upon millions of MIDDLE CLASS people pay in income taxes?
and why should ANYONE pay a dime more until this malignant bloated government can prove it is willing to tighten its belt. the dems wanted tax hikes to JUSTIFY even more social (ie VOTE BUYING) spending
class warfare is the main argument obama will use in 2012....
when that moron claims that the rich are "not paying their fair share" he is both lying and engaging in class warfare
If we're going to make spending cuts, many of which we wouldn't make if we weren't facing such large budget deficits, then it's only right that we ask everyone to pay their fair share
(it's not) class warfare (to ask) a hedge fund manager to pay the same tax rate as a plumber or teacher.
A 1% tax increase means nothing to you, if you are who you claim to be. You stand on principle. I respect your right to do that, but understand that tax hikes are coming. And they are not going to be assessed against those 47% who don't pay any. Not any time soon, anyhow. I completely disagree with that, but that's not the point. Reality's the point. And the reality is that we need a combination of tax increases and spending cuts to get out of the mess we're in.
Let's look at it, here is what he said:
Ok, sounds like you might have a point, except he continued his remarks.
Oops, he is talking about the capital gains loophole to paying less in taxes, or the "Buffett rule". So much for your silly assessment.
why should someone like me pay any more taxes when I already pay more than millions upon millions of MIDDLE CLASS people pay in income taxes?
Let's look at it, here is what he said:
Ok, sounds like you might have a point, except he continued his remarks.
Oops, he is talking about the capital gains loophole to paying less in taxes, or the "Buffett rule". So much for your silly assessment.
But this isn't class warfare, oh no. It's only class warfare when the middle class, who buy the way, BUILT THIS ENTIRE ****ING COUNTRY, do it.
The fact is that the majority of Democrats & Independents agree that the best solution to our debt-crisis is a mixture of spending cuts & more revenue. Why does the GOP refuse to acknowledge this?
because the dems want tax hikes to buy votes and they don't want tax hikes on anyone but the rich
tax hikes on the wealthy doesn't buy Middle-class votes.
but refusing to allow even a small tax-hike on the wealthy....DOES insure more campaign contributions.
...especially if Obumble tells them that all the government they want will be paid for by OTHERS being taxed more.
good thing Obama has never said that to anyone.
wow, you find one quote of Obumble and ignore all the OTHER times he has whined that it is the RICH who aren't paying their fair share
There is no "capital gains tax loophole." Everyone who earns long-term capital gains pays the same capital gains tax rate. Short-term gains are taxed at ordinary income rates. Those who make their capital gains (long or short) inside a Roth IRA pay no tax at all. Those who make capital gains within their Keogh's, IRAs and SEPs pay no capital gains tax either. Maybe that's what you're talking about.
you obviously didn't listen very well
Why couldn't Republicans put a measly 1% tax increase on the table? A .5% tax increase? This was a misguided line drawn in the sand that put the negotiations into a win/lose scenerio. And ya' know that never works. Tax hikes are inevitable, Turtle. You and I both know that. This was an opportunity to at least try to build some teeny-tiny consensus...some acknowledgement that things have got to change.
And Republicans failed.
Kinda sorta but not really true. What executives can do is get their compensation in stop options and such to avoid paying income tax on it and instead paying capital gains tax on it. A lower capital gains tax far and away benefits those who are not in the lower and middle class.
Republicans did put revenue increases on the table ( 300 billion worth)..... the Democrats said " nope... not enough"
anyone who says the Republicans are 100% against increasing revenues is lying to you.
they can say they didn't raise revenues "enough" and have a valid position though.
republicans offered a plan that would cut 1.2 trillion over 10 years... 700 billion coming from cuts, the rest from " new revenues"... Democrats rejected the plan....
The fact is that the majority of Democrats & Independents agree that the best solution to our debt-crisis is a mixture of spending cuts & more revenue. Why does the GOP refuse to acknowledge this?
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