There is no reason for this!

[Phys251]

Since February 2020, thru mid August, 2021 there have been 361 covid deaths of children aged 0-17. That's 361 out of 614,481 total covid deaths. Why are the totalitarians trying to force kids to wear masks when there is no actual threat to their well being?

Children don't live by themselves.

Wow - a true revelation - Kids are disease vectors.
Then it would become a matter for the parents to determine - and no one elses business!

ILT has no problem with 600,000 dead Americans or the continued spread of this lethal virus.

 

[gbg3]

In which school district?

Not Alachua.
Not Broward.
Not Hillsborough.
Not Pinella.
Not Palm Beach.
Not Dade.
Not Duval.
Not Leon.
Not Orange

If you can prove me wrong about all of those school districts, go ahead - only using totally unbiased sources.

I'm talking about schools where my grandchildren go. The quarantine procedures are completely different than they were last spring. One of the schools isn't even requiring masks this year - and in a blue state.

 

[JMB802]

I'm talking about schools where my grandchildren go. The quarantine procedures are completely different than they were last spring. One of the schools isn't even requiring masks this year - and in a blue state.

Requirements can and will change. My conservative county school didn't "require" masks either. Now many kids are infected and most of the school is home for two weeks.

 

[Callen]

I'm talking about schools where my grandchildren go. The quarantine procedures are completely different than they were last spring. One of the schools isn't even requiring masks this year - and in a blue state.

Is the infection rate in your State similar to the infection rate in Florida? Thousands and thousands of kids are being quarantined in FL.....back to distance learning. In Tennesse, thousands are also quarantined but they have no distance learning there so kids are just missing school altogether and parents are missing work to cares for them.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

I'm talking about schools where my grandchildren go. The quarantine procedures are completely different than they were last spring. One of the schools isn't even requiring masks this year - and in a blue state.

So you should have named the state they live in. I have no idea what the mask rules are in most U.S. school districts.

 

[What if...?]

I said none of that. Let's be concerned about all threats to well-being and health. Let's be sure we include the threats to well-being and health associated with school closures as well.

Or do you favor ending public education or making it remote learning in order to avoid school transportation deaths? I was only referring to bus accidents. Throw in car accidents and especially pedestrian accidents and the number of dead children rises quickly.

Do you accept those deaths as the price of public education or do you want to end public education in order to prevent them?

You talk about risks associated with every day life.

COVID is not one of those. It is a once in a century pandemic.

 

[seymourflops]

By your "logic," nobody has ever died of AIDS.

You talk about risks associated with every day life.

COVID is not one of those. It is a once in a century pandemic.

Well, now COVID is a risk associated with every day life.

It's not going anywhere, anytime soon, so we have to get out of the panic mode and think.

First thing, let's not make the risks that come from school closures a part of ever day life. Our children deserve better than that.

 

[iluvTrump]

Is the infection rate in your State similar to the infection rate in Florida? Thousands and thousands of kids are being quarantined in FL.....back to distance learning. In Tennesse, thousands are also quarantined but they have no distance learning there so kids are just missing school altogether and parents are missing work to cares for them.

Per the current CDC data, there have been zero deaths in Florida in the 0-17 demographic while 88% of all covid deaths are in the over 50 groups. So why do kids have to wear masks rather than those over 50 who are scared and paranoid wear masks and avoid kids. Some people are childish and selfish and need to have their binkies and masks to be happy - I wish they'd leave us normals alone.

 

[Callen]

Per the current CDC data, there have been zero deaths in Florida in the 0-17 demographic while 88% of all covid deaths are in the over 50 groups. So why do kids have to wear masks rather than those over 50 who are scared and paranoid wear masks and avoid kids. Some people are childish and selfish and need to have their binkies and masks to be happy - I wish they'd leave us normals alone.

I know for certain there was a 16 year old die in Jacksonville but that aside........death is not the only serious negative impact to children but I have come to understand that there are many who don't care about that, they just don't care.

Interesting factoid, the Chief Medical Officer for New Orleans was on TV and he said that cases of Covid have dropped 20% since they reimplemented a mask mandate.

 

[Lursa]

This one is about wearing masks outside the house, not inside



This one is not peer reviewed.



This "study" does not exist - there is not study link that actually works

And they were April and May...pre-Delta, pre-understanding how it works.

 

[Slavister]

Looking through the first dozen, I was not surprised at all by the results. They used words like "could," and "may," frequently and one (#11) described the findings as based on "low-certainty evidence."

That's just BS.

Even the very first one is unambiguously stating

"Community mask wearing substantially reduces transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in 2 ways."

See - no "may" or "could".

It goes on to refer to 11 other studies with relevant info which also does not include "may" or "could".

Yes, there are observational studies - which TRY to account for other variables but it's hard to impossible to account for all. And then there are modeling and other studies but for all those you could say the are not "real" world. And then there are the gold standard RCT studies but those are hard to come by since it would be very hard to setup logistically, nor unethically when both other kinds of studies say the same thing - wear the damn mask.

Still, we do have some studies like this one comparing mask wearing in schools and comparing it to schools in other states without the mandate and showing that masks work. That's as close as you can get to RTC I think for working on mask related efficacy.

 

[Phys251]

Well, now COVID is a risk associated with every day life.

It's not going anywhere, anytime soon, so we have to get out of the panic mode and think.

First thing, let's not make the risks that come from school closures a part of ever day life. Our children deserve better than that.

So you believe that (1) nobody has ever died of AIDS and (2) some child sacrifice to the god of Freedumb is acceptable.

 

[Phys251]

Per the current CDC data, there have been zero deaths in Florida in the 0-17 demographic while 88% of all covid deaths are in the over 50 groups. So why do kids have to wear masks rather than those over 50 who are scared and paranoid wear masks and avoid kids. Some people are childish and selfish and need to have their binkies and masks to be happy - I wish they'd leave us normals alone.

 

[iluvTrump]

Phys251​

Posts another idelogical and classless diatribe against working American families who are resisting totalitarian government mandates. All that these critics have to offer are binkies and bawls and verbal tantrums. Why do these Democrat ideologues favor criminals, bums and the Taliban over working American families?

 

[What if...?]

And I am sick of Stalinists trying to dictate how me and my family live our lives. Why don't they wear two masks to show their solidarity with and commitment to their totalitarian mandates and leave us Americans alone.

So yer down.with gay rights and stuff the right usually talks shit about, right?

Or are those gay folks bothering y'all 'muricans too?

 

[What if...?]

Well, now COVID is a risk associated with every day life.

It's not going anywhere, anytime soon, so we have to get out of the panic mode and think.

First thing, let's not make the risks that come from school closures a part of ever day life. Our children deserve better than that.

You don't even want to mandate vaccination for school employees. Or masking in schools.

The world is lucky Asia isn't full of y'all.

Somebody with bird flu would have made out with someone with regular flu and ended civilization as we know it.

 

[Grim17]

Since February 2020, thru mid August, 2021 there have been 361 covid deaths of children aged 0-17. That's 361 out of 614,481 total covid deaths. Why are the totalitarians trying to force kids to wear masks when there is no actual threat to their well being?

Any discussions about Covid19 and the public come down to this set of facts as far as I'm concerned...

Is there a vaccine available to everyone that will largely prevent death should they contract covid19?
Answer: Yes, but it's not recommended for children under 12 years old.

Does covid19 present a deadly risk to children under 12 years old who aren't vaccinated?
Answer: No. They are more likely to die from the flu than they are from Covid19.

What about people with allergies that may react negatively to the vaccine?
Answer: According to the latest data, the chances of someone with allergies or a history of anaphylaxis having a severe reaction to the vaccine is less likely than being struck by lightning.

What people are at serious risk of dying should they contract Covid19?
Answer: There's only one category of people that are at any serious risk of death should they contract covid19, and that's unvaccinated adults over the age of 25.

Since protection against dying from covid19 is available to every person who's at risk, that means there's nobody left for the government to protect... So why does anyone still support, or think there's a need for, government enforced mask mandates and public restrictions if the only people who are at any serious risk from the virus, are at risk by their own choice?

.

 

[seymourflops]

So you believe that (1) nobody has ever died of AIDS and (2) some child sacrifice to the god of Freedumb is acceptable.

Before I even respond to that, answer this that all others have refused to:

Should we shut down schools, or go to exclusive remote learning, because of the number of children killed and injured every year being transported to and from schools?

Each year approximately 800 school-aged children are killed in motor vehicle crashes during normal school travel hours.1 This figure represents about 14 percent of the 5,600 child deaths that occur annually on U.S. roadways and 2 percent of the nation’s yearly total of 40,000 motor vehicle deaths. Of these 800 deaths, about 20 (2 percent)—5 school bus passengers and 15 pedestrians— are school bus–related.2 The other 98 percent of school-aged deaths occur in passenger vehicles or to pedestrians, bicyclists, or motorcyclists. A disproportionate share of these passenger vehicle–related deaths (approximately 450 of the 800 deaths, or 55 percent) occur when a teenager is driving. At the same time, approximately 152,000 school-age children are nonfatally injured during normal school travel hours each year. More than 80 percent (about 130,000) of these nonfatal injuries occur in passenger vehicles; only 4 percent (about 6,000) are school bus–related (about 5,500 school bus passengers and 500 school bus pedestrians), 11 percent (about 16,500) occur to pedestrians and bicyclists, and fewer than 1 percent (500) are to passengers in other buses.

http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/sr/sr269.pdf

Approximately 152,800 children killed or injured going to or coming from school. Shut them down?

If the answer is no, please explain.

Thank you.

 

[jpn]

We have to keep perspective when it comes to national, state and local policies.

Like Benghazi?

 

[seymourflops]

Like Benghazi?

We needed more perspective about Benghazi, that's for sure.

Benghazi was a failure of SecState Clinton, but the endless hearings were absurd and accomplished nothing but TV (and Youtube) time for GOP politicians.

Still, the hearings wasted the time of the lawmakers and of Hillary, but they did not deprive a generation of children of their education.

So, not exactly like it, no.

 

[snakestretcher]

Children don't live by themselves.

Wow - a true revelation - Kids are disease vectors.
Then it would become a matter for the parents to determine - and no one elses business!

This is so ****ing retarded it doesn't deserve dignifying with a rebuttal.

 

[seymourflops]

You don't even want to mandate vaccination for school employees. Or masking in schools.

The world is lucky Asia isn't full of y'all.

Somebody with bird flu would have made out with someone with regular flu and ended civilization as we know it.

Yes, how much luckier we are that Asia has bioweapons laboratories near cities with open meat markets.

 

[What if...?]

Yes, how much luckier we are that Asia has bioweapons laboratories near cities with open meat markets.

Not all viral research is weapons research.

But of course that doesn't fit your fantasies, so weapons they all are!

Your reality is not only fake, it's also pathetic and weak.

All y'all do is whine and cry about all the injustices you must endure.

Take your snowflake cuck asses to your safe spaces until you grow a pair.

 

[Phys251]

Before I even respond to that, answer this that all others have refused to:

Let's go back to something that you said earlier that you refused to defend:

We must keep in mind that the over-whelming majority of "COVID deaths" are better described as "deaths of people who had COVID at the time they died." In other words, they had COVID, but some underlying condition killed them. COVID may have contributed to the death or it may not, but either way, it is counted as a "COVID death."

Setting aside your obvious Dunning-Kruger for the moment, you are in effect making a claim as absurd as "Nobody ever died from AIDS." Is that really a position you want to take? Think carefully.

 

[Lursa]

Before I even respond to that, answer this that all others have refused to:

Should we shut down schools, or go to exclusive remote learning, because of the number of children killed and injured every year being transported to and from schools?

Easy, no. KIds killed on the way to/from school dont endanger teachers, school lunch ladies, janitors, school staff by infecting them with a potentially deadly disease. They dont bring home infections to their families including elderly and vulnerable members. And yes, teachers have already died.

Now, I think that @Phys251 had some questions for you.