There is a god, there is more then one god/there is no god!

[lefty louie]

So your question is meaningless, dependent on everyone's own interpretation of the word. Gotcha

Or it has a great deal of meaning. Just like you place some value on your last comment, others simply do not.

 

[camlok]

My god hurts no one, never has, my god only looks after me, so far he's done OK. I hope your god (if you have one) does as well or better for you.

You can only mean the god described on US currency, Louie. What kind of a god would let his name be used and abused in such a blasphemous, hypocritical fashion? While he/she may not have ever hurt anyone, the folks, that would be USians, who use and abuse him/her, making grand pretense that they are god like, have badly hurt hundreds of millions of innocents the world over, all the while pretending to be a kind and compassionate people.

 

[Waddy]

To say we've moved on is an understatement.

Let's start with relevance. He was the herald of the Modern, and a rum challenge for any intellect. (although I would stress the importance of knowing the world he was working in)

Which is to say, for a student, he's definitely worth studying. Your articles about post-truth and such are fine. He was responding to the hyper-nationalism in the Germanic states of his time.
Using the classics to illustrate the present is a time honored tradition.

One of the problems I routinely run into, when discussing philosophical issues, is that I almost invariably can't get the discussion into the 20th Century. It's annoying.

So much has gone after, I am at a loss to know where even to begin. I like Rorty, but he was a reaction to Modern philosophy, so you need to know a little about what he was rebelling against.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/rorty/

He's the alpha, not the omega.

He's a key, not a lock.

Your lack of historical perspective is apparent. We haven't "moved on"; we build on the past, add to what others build, re-visit and re-interpret. But the wisest among us learns from the past. Even the Ionians are still relevant, and they were a long time ago. And I never said I didn't read and appreciate current philosophy, though there isn't much new there. Spinning old ideas mostly. You know pragmatism isn't really a new idea, right? I consider philosophy a precursor to modern psychology, which is where most of the original work is now being done, thanks to scientific advances. Without Nietzsche we wouldn't have Jung and Freud. Without Jung and Freud we wouldn't have modern psychology. Think about it.

 

[lefty louie]

You can only mean the god described on US currency, Louie. What kind of a god would let his name be used and abused in such a blasphemous, hypocritical fashion? While he/she may not have ever hurt anyone, the folks, that would be USians, who use and abuse him/her, making grand pretense that they are god like, have badly hurt hundreds of millions of innocents the world over, all the while pretending to be a kind and compassionate people.

See there you go putting your standards on me and my god. My god knows my intent and knows I mean no harm nor disrespect towards him or anyone else when I speak plainly as I do.

All these high and mighty types get all caught up in the great and powerful. My god is a simple and laid back kind of guy. Relax man, my god is great and best of all, he doesn't mind you speaking the way you do about me and others because "you know not what you do". Don't judge man, isn't that in one of your rules???

 

[camlok]

See there you go putting your standards on me and my god. My god knows my intent and knows I mean no harm nor disrespect towards him or anyone else when I speak plainly as I do.

All these high and mighty types get all caught up in the great and powerful. My god is a simple and laid back kind of guy. Relax man, my god is great and best of all, he doesn't mind you speaking the way you do about me and others because "you know not what you do". Don't judge man, isn't that in one of your rules???

So you are telling me that for each of the 300 plus million Americans they each get to divide the one god of "in god we trust" into their own god so they can use him/her to make personal excuses to shelter themselves from the war crimes, terrorism, genocides, ... ?

Nosireebob, my god sure would never do that! That's must be the the god of Joe, I never liked the guy, down the street!

 

[late]

Your lack of historical perspective is apparent. We haven't "moved on"; we build on the past, add to what others build, re-visit and re-interpret. But the wisest among us learns from the past. Even the Ionians are still relevant, and they were a long time ago. And I never said I didn't read and appreciate current philosophy, though there isn't much new there. Spinning old ideas mostly. You know pragmatism isn't really a new idea, right? I consider philosophy a precursor to modern psychology, which is where most of the original work is now being done, thanks to scientific advances. Without Nietzsche we wouldn't have Jung and Freud. Without Jung and Freud we wouldn't have modern psychology. Think about it.

Amusing.

You're stuck and it's my fault. Love it.

Let me remind you that I brought up Nietzsche, and talked about him in detail.

The past is a key, not a lock.

It opened the door. What came through the door was the transition to a secular age. Philosophers, scientists (like the work on perception and cognition you obliquely referred to) law theorists, ethicists and more have built on that foundation.

The classics do have limited relevance, but they don't replace contemporary work.

I mentioned Rorty, I'd also like to give a nod to my fave philosopher of science, Ronald N Giere. If you can find it, Insights and Illusions of Philosophy, by Piaget, is a minor classic of the 20th Century.

You see, I am not stuck in the 1800s. You are.

I try hard to not give anyone a hard time about that. This sort of thing takes a massive amount of time and work, and for what. There are basically no jobs, and it's something that has less than zero appeal to anyone that isn't a Super Nerd.

 

[Nilly]

Or it has a great deal of meaning. Just like you place some value on your last comment, others simply do not.

Ah yes, you ask the equivalent of 'How long is a piece of string?' yet it's me making the worthless posts.

Ok then.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

No offense, but that is an opinion, and can't be anything more (unless, and until, you can provide incontrovertible evidence of the existence of the sort of deity you have in mind.

...

Hence why I said "I THINK". This post of yours is thus entirely pointless and borderline spam.

 

[late]

Hence why I said "I THINK". This post of yours is thus entirely pointless and borderline spam.

I was pointing out that science and intelligent design are non-intersecting sets. ID can never have anything to do with science.

When people say something like that, they are usually trying to say there is something scientific going on.

There isn't.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

I was pointing out that science and intelligent design are non-intersecting sets. ID can never have anything to do with science.

When people say something like that, they are usually trying to say there is something scientific going on.

There isn't.

I have never said anything of this sort. And the Fibonacci sequence is mathematics, not science. You need to do more research.

 

[late]

I have never said anything of this sort.

No worries.

Because of the nature of these forums, you play the odds.

Too many are trying to sneak Sally through the alley, and that's what I thought you were trying. My bad.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

No worries.

Because of the nature of these forums, you play the odds.

Too many are trying to sneak Sally through the alley, and that's what I thought you were trying. My bad.

Its all good, sorry for calling it spam, I'd edit my post if it let me. I am agnostic and while I have many religious friends and family I don't consider myself religious or theocratic in the slightest.

 

[late]

Its all good, sorry for calling it spam, I'd edit my post if it let me. I am agnostic and while I have many religious friends and family I don't consider myself religious or theocratic in the slightest.

I'm an atheist god.

I know, I know, but I pull it off with panache.

 

[Waddy]

Amusing.

You're stuck and it's my fault. Love it.

Let me remind you that I brought up Nietzsche, and talked about him in detail.

The past is a key, not a lock.

It opened the door. What came through the door was the transition to a secular age. Philosophers, scientists (like the work on perception and cognition you obliquely referred to) law theorists, ethicists and more have built on that foundation.

The classics do have limited relevance, but they don't replace contemporary work.

I mentioned Rorty, I'd also like to give a nod to my fave philosopher of science, Ronald N Giere. If you can find it, Insights and Illusions of Philosophy, by Piaget, is a minor classic of the 20th Century.

You see, I am not stuck in the 1800s. You are.

I try hard to not give anyone a hard time about that. This sort of thing takes a massive amount of time and work, and for what. There are basically no jobs, and it's something that has less than zero appeal to anyone that isn't a Super Nerd.

Most people don't really listen, they just wait for their turn to talk. You're a good example of that characteristic. And now you're just boring me. Get back to me when you actually have something interesting to share.

 

[late]

Most people don't really listen, they just wait for their turn to talk. You're a good example of that characteristic. And now you're just boring me. Get back to me when you actually have something interesting to share.

You mean like the 20th Century?

 

[Arjay81]

By the current results of this poll it seems that the atheist is gaining in support for their beliefs.

 

[PleasantValley]

People just looking to be difficult, trying to make the point on top of their head that much sharper. If you don't get it, don't participate.

Good point. You are right.
...and so am I.
(disengaging)

 

[lefty louie]

So you are telling me that for each of the 300 plus million Americans they each get to divide the one god of "in god we trust" into their own god so they can use him/her to make personal excuses to shelter themselves from the war crimes, terrorism, genocides, ... ?

Nosireebob, my god sure would never do that! That's must be the the god of Joe, I never liked the guy, down the street!

No, I'm saying my god covers me and me alone. I don't go around committing crimes. You can share a god if you want, you can share one with billions of others for that matter, I don't care, why does it bother so many "god fearing people" that I don't have faith in "their" god?

 

[PleasantValley]

God is a he, is he? And your evidence for such a phantasmagorical claim is what?




Writing in capital letters doesn't increase the power of one's belief, nor does it make the case for the existence of any gods any stronger. You all know full well that there is no evidence, in the sense that rational people define 'evidence', for the existence of any god.

All believers have, by your own admission, only their "belief", which you note, "is unshakable", and for good solid reasons - because you all desperately want to believe.



Because it's sad to see people so delusional.



The "doubt" is strong because there is zero evidence for any god. It is completely disingenuous to admonish others for trying to force anything. Who is it that has proselytized and forced these fictions upon people, children for centuries upon centuries.

You, the generic 'you' keep on with the same old nonsense, all the while completely ignoring the reality that you never provide the tiniest speck of evidence for the existence of any god.

I every spoken and written language I have studied, there is the masculine and feminine.
Japanese, Russian, Spanish, AND English all have them.
Every ship i ever sailed on was SHE.
Sometimes God is referred to as HE, but that changes nothing.
God can choose to reveal to someone in any form.

I know you are only here to stir up trouble, so will limit my response to this one point for the general knowledge of those reading.
NOT to you.

I can read and feel auras of people even in their posts.
Your aura goes right through your fingers on the keys, or your voice if text-to-speech.
It follows through the internet and onto my screen.
Others can feel this too.
Just as others come on the internet just to stir up trouble.

That is why i avoid your posts, and others, when possible.
but this time I felt it important to point out a few things so others could see.

 

[PleasantValley]

I have no idea whether there is a god or not. So far I've not experienced or seen anything that confirms there is one, and second hand information from ancient texts aren't convincing at all.

I KNOW there is a God, but not from what I read a book that King James of England heavily edited and threw out books he did not like.
I KNOW from what I saw and experienced with my own eyes and ears, PROVING some of the things I read in that book.
Speaking directly to me in different forms.
...and remember, only 35% of communication is verbal.

 

[ElChupacabra]

I KNOW there is a God, but not from what I read a book that King James of England heavily edited and threw out books he did not like.
I KNOW from what I saw and experienced with my own eyes and ears, PROVING some of the things I read in that book.
Speaking directly to me in different forms.
...and remember, only 35% of communication is verbal.

And that's your experience, not mine. I have no issue with people's beliefs until they start assuming those who don't share them need to adhere to those beliefs. Of course there's always the question of how you "know", but that's a very subjective thing.

 

[lefty louie]

I KNOW there is a God, but not from what I read a book that King James of England heavily edited and threw out books he did not like.
I KNOW from what I saw and experienced with my own eyes and ears, PROVING some of the things I read in that book.
Speaking directly to me in different forms.
...and remember, only 35% of communication is verbal.

I've got to ask, you've seen your god with your eyes? Heard his voice with your ears? See my god communicates with me regularly but it is always telepathically (for lack of a better term).

 

[Sweden]

There is no God. That being the case, there are no constraints on the thoughts and actions of man except for fear of the law. There is no such thing as morality or ethics. They went out the window along with religion. It is now every man for himself.

Disagree. Man has evolved to be a social animal. Unsurprisingly he can find satisfaction and fulfillment by acting in ways that benefit the clan or social group. Hence ethics which is real enough - countless examples can be seen through the moist casual enquiry. Evolutionary psychology rules, OK?

 

[Sweden]

So it should be done because of how it makes you look in the eyes of others. How egotistical. Good job. At least you didn't trot out that tired old moralistic "do unto others'..... but that's too biblical anyways...

The death of "God" liberated men from all those myths you rely upon. Hence the need for Nietzsche's ubermensch. ( He was trying to find a way out of the moral vacuum left by the death of religion). BTW; chimps aren't rational beings, they act by instinct. Man reasons. Sometimes his best interest is harmony; sometimes it isn't. That's our history. You can't rewrite that. I am also free from any man-made constructs of morality and ethics; that's simply another belief system: another form of religion. I, and I alone, determine my actions free of restraint. I may wish to consider consequences, in fact it may be a wise thing, but I'm under no moral or ethical obligation to do so.

You miss the point. One does good things not to look good 'in the eyes if others' but for one's own personal satisfaction. People - including non religious people - do good thins all the time when no one is looking. Nietzsches poisonous meanderings should be left to rot in he dustbin of history.

 

[smallvoice]

I've done too many evil things in my life to believe in God. there better not be a God or I'm in real trouble.

Sounds like you have a personal problem....