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There does NOT have to be God or Intent of Creation

Hint of misogyny here to immediately attack the first female to join the conversation.
Lol...you get to join her now, as you've not posted a single thing in numerous posts now, and it's boring. Have fun not getting the attention you're desperate for.
 
Yet so many insist it is of great importance. It seems their life is without meaning if they exist solely because of the wonders of nature and the miracle of our incredible planet. It is sad really. They are missing the real wonders all around them.
Yes, the wonders of nature are awe inspiring. Why insert supernatural elements into something so amazing.

Are we that afraid, timid, insecure, cowardly.
 
I do not see it as that significant given that any life on Mars likely did not progress from the microbe stage and it was 4 billion years ago. All it will prove is what most scientist already believe, that in a universe so large and diverse as ours other life must exist on many other planets. We are just too far away to every meet them.
True, it might be there in our solar system. NASA is targeting Europa with its huge salt water ocean.

Europa Clipper Mission will explore the ocean in depth.

Did the right variables come together to spark microbial life, we'll find out.
 
Actually the chemical reactions that release energy like that needed for life happen naturally in the vents. It is thought that that energy helped in the formation of amino acids needed for life. You don't actually believe some cosmic chef created those primitive bacteria do you? That is so far from biblical Genesis it is ridiculous. Where does it say in the Bible that God came to earth 4 billion years ago to create bacteria to live in volcanic vents?
True believers don't do well in threads like this, at least not on this forum.

Gods, Santa and Easter Bunnies simply don't cut it.
 
Correct, life is made up of chemical compounds, but chemical compounds that act with a purpose. There is a significant difference between the life and any chemical compound out there, and the existence of any particular chemical compound is of no import in regards to life or not. It's life or it is not.
So tell me, how did life begin on Earth. What were the variables that sparked life into existence.

Its a straight forward question, what are your ideas.

And yes, once life appeared it had a purpose, its called evolution or survival of the fittest.
 
Yet we are led to believe that 3.8 billion years ago the requisite compounds could be found in some cave, or undersea vent,
and somehow or other they assembled themselves into the first cell.

These compounds were found all over the planet. And they are made up of the most abundant elements in the universe.
 
Oh...and life existing on earth isn't a recent discovery and neither is life not existing on earth.
Life not existing on earth is indeed a recent discovery. <200 years ago when we had the first inkling, closer to 100 yeas ago before we could be certain.
 
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True, it might be there in our solar system. NASA is targeting Europa with its huge salt water ocean.

Europa Clipper Mission will explore the ocean in depth.

Did the right variables come together to spark microbial life, we'll find out.
If life is found on Europa, or anywhere else in the universe, it will arguably be the biggest scientific discovery in human history. I certainly hope we find out.
 
These compounds were found all over the planet. And they are made up of the most abundant elements in the universe.
As Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson said, "The ingredients of life on Earth are not special, they are made of carbon, nitrogen, and oxygen. They are the most common ingredients in the universe, so you cannot appeal to a special chemistry because it is everywhere....If you look at the numbers of how many planets exist with orbiting stars that are close to the sun in our little galaxy, it’s selfish to suggest that we are alone in the universe.... Now if you ask if there is intelligence on other planets, maybe there is intelligent life that doesn’t consider us to be intelligent..."
 
Lol...you get to join her now, as you've not posted a single thing in numerous posts now, and it's boring. Have fun not getting the attention you're desperate for.

What is boring is your refusal to discuss YOUR side of the equation. You claim that life on this planet could not possible have occurred based on “natural” circumstances, but you have yet to define how YOJ claim th@t life originated on this planet. So let’s hear it. If you’re not afraid to do so, of course.
 
What is boring is your refusal to discuss YOUR side of the equation. You claim that life on this planet could not possible have occurred based on “natural” circumstances, but you have yet to define how YOJ claim th@t life originated on this planet. So let’s hear it. If you’re not afraid to do so, of course.
Does "god did it" count? ;)
 
If life is found on Europa, or anywhere else in the universe, it will arguably be the biggest scientific discovery in human history. I certainly hope we find out.
My hunch is life is abundant in the Universe, but not intelligent life like ourselves.

Unimpeded life tends towards brawn not brains, but for a fluke asteroid mammals would still be living under the feet of evolved dinosaurs.

Dinosaurs reigned for 200 million years ..the modern form of humans evolved about 200,000 years ago. Put those numbers into context.
 
My hunch is life is abundant in the Universe, but not intelligent life like ourselves.

Unimpeded life tends towards brawn not brains, but for a fluke asteroid mammals would still be living under the feet of evolved dinosaurs.

Dinosaurs reigned for 200 million years ..the modern form of humans evolved about 200,000 years ago. Put those numbers into context.
Maybe. I understand this argument.

But another might argue that intelligent life then only took 60 million years to form from that little rodent like mammal that survived the impact, which is a blink in geologic time. And so it may not be so rare that intelligent life has formed in the universe. But even then, it may be rare that it survives to this day.
 
Yet we are led to believe that 3.8 billion years ago the requisite compounds could be found in some cave, or undersea vent,
and somehow or other they assembled themselves into the first cell.

Many of the molecular structures needed for life are not thermodynamically favored by their syntheses.
Formed by the formose reaction, the saccharides undergo further condensation under the very reaction conditions in which they form. The result is polymeric material, not to mention its stereo-randomness at every stereogenic center, therefore doubly useless.14 Time is the enemy.


We synthetic chemists should state the obvious. The appearance of life on earth is a mystery. We are nowhere near solving this problem.
The proposals offered thus far to explain life’s origin make no scientific sense.







Read the long letter that explains the science.
Any proposal is better than the idea of a cosmic being assembling a microbe to thrive in volcanic vents. That is patently ridiculous. This is how far from the biblical genesis you have come? You can do better.
 
LOL The fact that we have not created life proves nothing. It took nature many millions of years for life to occur. Man cannot do that in a lifetime or 2. We have seen the precursors to life and because there is no such thing as a "cosmic chef" running around thru the 2 trillion galaxies of the universe cooking up microbes for boiling hot volcanic vents we have to assume the first life came from these precursors by chance. What other options can there be? Remember too that this was nearly 4 billion years ago..

The fact we have been unable to cause life shows how difficult it is even when using intent, intelligence and knowledge natural unguided forces didn't have. It took far more than millions of years. The possibility of life existing started at the big bang. So many things happened initially they invented the shortest interval of time known as planck time to fit in all the events. All those events had to happen so that billions of years later a planet like earth might obtain. Moreover there had to be numerous laws of physics for stars, galaxies, planets, atoms, carbon, oxygen. We not only required gravity but like many other constants only within an extremely narrow range. I didn't know this until recently when I read a book called The God Problem which was offering a solution to the existence of God. Electrons didn't always orbit neutrons. Yet once things cooled down after about 375,000 years even though electrons and neutrons have nothing in common electrons started spinning around neutrons. If they hadn't we wouldn't be here. Read or watch any program on the big bang and the most oft repeated phrase you will hear is if fill in the blank didn't happen we wouldn't be here. At some point you have to ask how did natural unguided forces that didn't intend our existence got endless conditions right so our existence did occur. The naturalistic answer appears to be multiverse. The theistic answer is it was intentionally caused to happen.
 
My hunch is life is abundant in the Universe, but not intelligent life like ourselves.

Unimpeded life tends towards brawn not brains, but for a fluke asteroid mammals would still be living under the feet of evolved dinosaurs.

Dinosaurs reigned for 200 million years ..the modern form of humans evolved about 200,000 years ago. Put those numbers into context.
You mean if it wasn't for an endless series of 'flukes' starting with the universe expanding into existence in the first place.
 
You mean if it wasn't for an endless series of 'flukes' starting with the universe expanding into existence in the first place.
Oops, there's that fallacy again. Same two fallacies, repeated ad nauseum.

This time, Hoyle's fallacy again.
 
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As Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson said, "The ingredients of life on Earth are not special, they are made of carbon, nitrogen, and oxygen. They are the most common ingredients in the universe, so you cannot appeal to a special chemistry because it is everywhere....If you look at the numbers of how many planets exist with orbiting stars that are close to the sun in our little galaxy, it’s selfish to suggest that we are alone in the universe.... Now if you ask if there is intelligence on other planets, maybe there is intelligent life that doesn’t consider us to be intelligent..."

They're not special because naturalistic forces minus any plan or intent to do so produced those 'ingredients' in abundance. We have access now to all those ingredients but despite using intent, intelligence and knowledge we have been unable to bake the cake mindless forces did without trying or wanting to. Apparently we're not as smart as mindless forces.
 
They're not special because naturalistic forces minus any plan or intent to do so produced those 'ingredients' in abundance. We have access now to all those ingredients but despite using intent, intelligence and knowledge we have been unable to bake the cake mindless forces did without trying or wanting to. Apparently we're not as smart as mindless forces.
No one knows what you mean by "mindless forces." As the new thread states, theist cannot openly discuss their beliefs.
 
They're not special because naturalistic forces minus any plan or intent to do so produced those 'ingredients' in abundance. We have access now to all those ingredients but despite using intent, intelligence and knowledge we have been unable to bake the cake mindless forces did without trying or wanting to. Apparently we're not as smart as mindless forces.
Another bizarre claim. Let's dissect it.

If we cannot make our own universe, then we are "dumber than physical forces".

Actually, it's so laughably dumb, I think I can just leave it at that.
 
No one knows what you mean by "mindless forces." As the new thread states, theist cannot openly discuss their beliefs.

The forces we observe all around us that aren't controlled, guided by a mind and don't have a mind themselves. This includes everything except for intelligent beings and the things intelligent beings bring into existence. If I can think of another way to dummy it down so you can understand...I will. I believe I'm at the lowest level of spoon-feeding I can go.

I have no problem stating my beliefs I'm articulate and loquacious. If anything its atheists who think merely mocking theistic belief means it must be 'Naturedidit'.
 
The forces we observe all around us that aren't controlled, guided by a mind and don't have a mind themselves. This includes everything except for intelligent beings and the things intelligent beings bring into existence. If I can think of another way to dummy it down so you can understand...I will. I believe I'm at the lowest level of spoon-feeding I can go.

I have no problem stating my beliefs I'm articulate and loquacious. If anything its atheists who think merely mocking theistic belief means it must be 'Naturedidit'.
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They're not special because naturalistic forces minus any plan or intent to do so produced those 'ingredients' in abundance. We have access now to all those ingredients but despite using intent, intelligence and knowledge we have been unable to bake the cake mindless forces did without trying or wanting to. Apparently we're not as smart as mindless forces.
You merely assume there's an intent. But there's nothing outside mere belief to validate such an assumption.
 
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