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There are two ways to secure your rights - the market or the government.

As a person, you have rights, and your rights need to be enforced. But how? One way is to count on the government:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -

Let's all stop laughing for a moment and take the bold part seriously. Governments do secure some of our rights, occasionally, but the problem is that the state is also a major violator of our rights. Democracy as a government has some built-in mechanisms to address this problem.

For example, suppose some alphabet soup agency is spying on you by monitoring your phone calls, texts, and internet usage. One way to deal with it is to take the government to court, and argue that the state is going beyond its legimate power power based on the fourth amendment. This might work, but it's a big pain in the ass, and court itself is owned and operated by the same government you are suing.

Another way is to beg and plead to the legislature to pass a law forbiding the practice. That also might work, but it probably won't.

A better way is to get away from government and look to the market for a solution and use an app like Signal and use a good VPN. Now the problem of snooping and censorship is no more. The government solution takes years and still might not work, but the market solution is fast and easy and will definitely work.

Firearm ownership is another area where the state violates our rights. Again, we can go to court and/or plead to the legislature, but the market will probably end gun control as we know it as 3D printed guns continue to improve alongside mini cnc mills with all of the necessary files and knowledge available to anyone for free over the internet.

Abortion control is way for the government to violate the rights of pregnant women. Note how the market is neutralizing the state:


Even something like your right to end your own life is violated by the government via laws against euthanasia. The market however, has a solution which will allow people to simply bypass the state:



Finally, consider your right to the fruits of your own labor. The state of course taxes your labor, and forces you to spend a large amount of your life working for the government. But today you can be paid using a privacy coin like Monero, which makes it impossible for the government to tax your income, or even to know anything about your income. The practice of being paid in crypto is not widespread - but one day it will be.

This post is not about the merits of these technologies, because over time they are just going to get better and cheaper. The point of this post is to show that when it comes to enforcing your rights, there is no contest - the market is vastly superior to the state.
 
Don't support politicians who restrict abortion.
 
Yes. If all we have is the market and anyone hits hard times, it’s game over. They won’t even have the right to eat or breathe. Seems a little barbaric.
 
The "market" generally favors only the wealthy.

No, it doesn't, because that's not where the money is. Consider watches or phones or guns or furniture. The market provides very expensive watches, phones, guns and furniture, and it also provides dirt cheap watches, phones, guns, and furniture. But the real money is the middle. Average goods for the average guy. That's why Walmart is the biggest company in the world.
 
No, it doesn't, because that's not where the money is. Consider watches or phones or guns or furniture. The market provides very expensive watches, phones, guns and furniture, and it also provides dirt cheap watches, phones, guns, and furniture. But the real money is the middle. Average goods for the average guy. That's why Walmart is the biggest company in the world.
What's your definition of "real money?" Different companies focus on different markets.
 
No, it doesn't, because that's not where the money is. Consider watches or phones or guns or furniture. The market provides very expensive watches, phones, guns and furniture, and it also provides dirt cheap watches, phones, guns, and furniture. But the real money is the middle. Average goods for the average guy. That's why Walmart is the biggest company in the world.
And who benefits from that?
 
No, it doesn't, because that's not where the money is. Consider watches or phones or guns or furniture. The market provides very expensive watches, phones, guns and furniture, and it also provides dirt cheap watches, phones, guns, and furniture. But the real money is the middle. Average goods for the average guy. That's why Walmart is the biggest company in the world.

You know what’s not gonna be dirt cheap? A diagnosis of brain cancer for your little boy when you just lost your job.
 
Jesus ****ing christ on a sidecar..BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

:LOL::D🤪😜🥸

What sort of libertarian fringe website did that nonsense come from?


lol.webplol.webplol.webplol.webp
 
As a person, you have rights, and your rights need to be enforced. But how? One way is to count on the government:



Let's all stop laughing for a moment and take the bold part seriously. Governments do secure some of our rights, occasionally, but the problem is that the state is also a major violator of our rights. Democracy as a government has some built-in mechanisms to address this problem.

For example, suppose some alphabet soup agency is spying on you by monitoring your phone calls, texts, and internet usage. One way to deal with it is to take the government to court, and argue that the state is going beyond its legimate power power based on the fourth amendment. This might work, but it's a big pain in the ass, and court itself is owned and operated by the same government you are suing.

Another way is to beg and plead to the legislature to pass a law forbiding the practice. That also might work, but it probably won't.

A better way is to get away from government and look to the market for a solution and use an app like Signal and use a good VPN. Now the problem of snooping and censorship is no more. The government solution takes years and still might not work, but the market solution is fast and easy and will definitely work.

Firearm ownership is another area where the state violates our rights. Again, we can go to court and/or plead to the legislature, but the market will probably end gun control as we know it as 3D printed guns continue to improve alongside mini cnc mills with all of the necessary files and knowledge available to anyone for free over the internet.

Abortion control is way for the government to violate the rights of pregnant women. Note how the market is neutralizing the state:


Even something like your right to end your own life is violated by the government via laws against euthanasia. The market however, has a solution which will allow people to simply bypass the state:



Finally, consider your right to the fruits of your own labor. The state of course taxes your labor, and forces you to spend a large amount of your life working for the government. But today you can be paid using a privacy coin like Monero, which makes it impossible for the government to tax your income, or even to know anything about your income. The practice of being paid in crypto is not widespread - but one day it will be.

This post is not about the merits of these technologies, because over time they are just going to get better and cheaper. The point of this post is to show that when it comes to enforcing your rights, there is no contest - the market is vastly superior to the state.
Not sure there are many on DP who are more committed to market solutions than I, but I would never go so far as to propose the market as a solution to protecting one’s rights.

Yes, the market may produce products that assist one in, say, maintaining privacy on the internet, but that is only possible within the context of a government committed to protecting your rights. Let’s take your example of VPN software. You believe that software helps you maintain your privacy, and maybe it does, but would you still hold that belief were you to learn the software was written by a Chinese company owen and run by three family members of someone sitting on China’s Politburo Standing Committee?

The market is not going to protect your rights because it too is subject to the authority of government officials; only government will protect your rights, and if a government isn’t’ committed to doing that (or worse, hostile toward your rights) the market will be of little help (or worse, may assist an oppressive government in order as a means of market survival).

One can wax eloquently about natural or inalienable rights, but ultimately those words are little more than political poetry. At the end of the day you have only the rights your government is willing to protect for you. That is why debates about governments’ obligations and where governments’ boundaries should be are so important.
 
Not sure there are many on DP who are more committed to market solutions than I, but I would never go so far as to propose the market as a solution to protecting one’s rights.

Yes, the market may produce products that assist one in, say, maintaining privacy on the internet, but that is only possible within the context of a government committed to protecting your rights. Let’s take your example of VPN software. You believe that software helps you maintain your privacy, and maybe it does, but would you still hold that belief were you to learn the software was written by a Chinese company owen and run by three family members of someone sitting on China’s Politburo Standing Committee?

Of course not, I would just use a different one. There are many VPNs which can get around China's great firewall.

The market is not going to protect your rights because it too is subject to the authority of government officials;

How, when the technologies are not subject to state control? An app like Signal is not subject to the authority of government officials. If it were, Signal would go belly up tomorrow. No government can control Monero. Governments are not going to be able to stop 3d printers and mini cnc mills from getting better, faster, and cheaper.

only government will protect your rights, and if a government isn’t’ committed to doing that (or worse, hostile toward your rights) the market will be of little help (or worse, may assist an oppressive government in order as a means of market survival).

Except that's not the case, and I provided a half dozen of examples.
 
Of course not, I would just use a different one. There are many VPNs which can get around China's great firewall.



How, when the technologies are not subject to state control? An app like Signal is not subject to the authority of government officials. If it were, Signal would go belly up tomorrow. No government can control Monero. Governments are not going to be able to stop 3d printers and mini cnc mills from getting better, faster, and cheaper.



Except that's not the case, and I provided a half dozen of examples.
That’s just it. Those technologies — and virtually every other technology associated with the internet — are subject to government control, at least at the end point. Were there to be a new government policy that led to the arrest of anyone using an internet connected device generating encrypted traffic, what then?

The market is useless if you are not subject to a government committed to protecting your basic freedoms.
 
That’s just it. Those technologies — and virtually every other technology associated with the internet — are subject to government control, at least at the end point.

You keep asserting that, but they are not.

Were there to be a new government policy that led to the arrest of anyone using an internet connected device generating encrypted traffic, what then?

They can't. For just a couple of examples out of hundreds, that would mean no internet commerce and no online banking. There is no incentive even for China to go full Pol Pot. You'll note that China doesn't even enforce its own laws against VPNs.

They can't because the costs aren't worth the benefits. States are violent and immoral, but they are still rational.

The market is useless if you are not subject to a government committed to protecting your basic freedoms.

Again, government is the biggest violator of your rights - by far. How many years of your life have been wasted working for the state in order to pay the tribute it demands from you?

Moreover, if the US government is "committed to protecting" my basic freedoms, why was the bill of rights added to the constitution? Why do I need protection from the government you claim protects me?
 
You keep asserting that, but they are not.



They can't. For just a couple of examples out of hundreds, that would mean no internet commerce and no online banking. There is no incentive even for China to go full Pol Pot. You'll note that China doesn't even enforce its own laws against VPNs.

They can't because the costs aren't worth the benefits. States are violent and immoral, but they are still rational.



Again, government is the biggest violator of your rights - by far. How many years of your life have been wasted working for the state in order to pay the tribute it demands from you?

Moreover, if the US government is "committed to protecting" my basic freedoms, why was the bill of rights added to the constitution? Why do I need protection from the government you claim protects me?
You’re not thinking it through. I’m not saying they would literally arrest everyone using encrypted traffic. The government would simply give themselves the “legal” option of arresting anyone using VPN software (or the like) and then use that authority where and when it became politically expedient to do so.

For example, if the government were to find your complaints about their policies annoying, your home internet traffic would suddenly be monitored for a few days and viola, you’d be arrested for attempting to conceal information from federal authorities.

And yes, I agree government can be a violator of human rights but they are also its only guardian.
 

This dumb graph from EPI has been debunked so many times it's not funny.

You have to use total compensation, not just wages. That means including all benefits provided by employers plus salary. When you do that, productivity and compensation go together just like they always have.
 
This dumb graph from EPI has been debunked so many times it's not funny.

You have to use total compensation, not just wages. That means including all benefits provided by employers plus salary. When you do that, productivity and compensation go together just like they always have.
So provide the debunking evidence.

I'll wait.
 
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